$80 billion developing a stealth fighter and it gets its ass kicked in a dogfight?

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

The US Air Force blows $80 billion tax dollars developing the F-22 Raptor Stealth Fighter jet. Then this thing can be knocked out of the air as easily or easier than average fighter planes in a one-on-one aerial dog fight?

What in the fucking hell are we doing wasting time and money on a god-@&%# war machine that is incapable of protecting itself better than the enemy?

http://news.yahoo.com/f-22-fighter-...dogfights-201119575--abc-news-topstories.html

What pilot in his/her right mind wants fly a highly advanced stealth plane, designed primarily as a sniper or quick strike mission fighter plane, knowing any singular enemy fighter can blow him out of the sky any second? Also knowing their oxygen supply can be cut off at any moment?http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/exclu...ands-truth-air/story?id=16253815#.UBfGtmGe5XM

 

[kbate]

Because the Eurofighter would be lucky to survive to reach dogfighting range against the F-22, having been destroyed somewhere between 80 and 40 miles out.

 

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[chillywilly2]

JRW should go help the pentagon design a better all round plane...maybe it can carry cargo on its off days

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

Don't believe everything you hear. At the Nellis testing area in Nevada they flew one F-22 against twelve F-15 Eagles piloted by the best combat pilots in the Air Force in an all out no holds barred test, all were shot down before they detected the presence of the F-22.

Those were Air Force pilots, not Navy pilots. Everyone knows the Air Force is basically the 'B' team.

My concerns are if a major, capable opposing military could detect the F-22 incoming and loaded, what good does it do if the F-22 can be knocked out so easily?

JRW should go help the pentagon design a better all round plane...maybe it can carry cargo on its off days

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I would be like, "I don't want to hear excuses! If this Raptor baby is flying across the globe to take out a target, then it damned well better be capable of defending itself in an old school dog fight!"

 

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[Very_Bad_Man]

The report does not paint an accurate picture.

The old fashion dogfight is essentially a thing of the past. Technology has made it so. While the dogfight remains a crucial part of training in developing a pilots skills the range of a planes armament has made it virtually nonexistent in modern warfare.

The F-22 is not replacing other jets. It is just one more weapon in our arsenal. Everything has it's place.

 

[mercury14]

Don't believe everything you hear. At the Nellis testing area in Nevada they flew one F-22 against twelve F-15 Eagles piloted by the best combat pilots in the Air Force in an all out no holds barred test, all were shot down before they detected the presence of the F-22.

How? The F-22 doesn't carry 12 missiles (does it?).

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

How? The F-22 doesn't carry 12 missiles (does it?).

You do not have the clearance for that info

 

[mercury14]

I don't think so Johnny, there's more to it than detection. If detected which is highly unlikely, it has extraordinary maneuverability and tactics available to it that enhance it's ability to prevail with any aircraft in the world. According to people I know who are familiar with this program, by the time you detect the F-22 your demise is unavoidable.

It depends I think. Its stealth capability isn't 100%, especially from the rear. The engine output isn't stealthed, so once the F-22 flies over its target it's somewhat detectable.

You do not have the clearance for that info

Hey I was in da Air FORCE!!!

 

[Very_Bad_Man]

It depends I think. Its stealth capability isn't 100%, especially from the rear. The engine output isn't stealthed, so once the F-22 flies over its target it's somewhat detectable.

Nothing is 100%. Even at my peak I would not wish to engage the F-22. It would be suicide. Pilots know the abilities of his plane. If you would get close enough to engage one in a dogfight most likely you would be eating the fumes of his afterburners as it hits well over mach 2.

 

[about_average]

I like this:

Haney was to blame for the crash because he was too distracted by his inability to breathe to fly the plane properly.

I think most people would be distracted by not being able to breathe.

What if his aileron controls had failed, would they say:
Haney was to blame for the crash because he was too distracted by his inability to operate the ailerons to fly the plane properly.

In most cases the long range detection would be to the F-22's will protect it. In the case were there are more targets than the F-22 has ordinance, I could see a problem.

It reminds me of a SF story I read many years ago where some aircraft from various periods were time shifted to the same time and ended up in dogfights.
There was a WWI biplane, WWII fighter, some Korean or Vietnam era fighter and something from our "far future", basically something like the F-22.
As I remember the story (it's been 40 years probably) the high tech plane was easily able to knock down the WWII and Korean era planes, but was actually shot down by the biplane. There wasn't enough metal in the biplane for it to get a lock for targeting, and the biplane was easily able to out maneuver it.

 

[about_average]

If you would get close enough to engage one in a dogfight most likely you would be eating the fumes of his afterburners as it hits well over mach 2.

Might not always save you, as the Germans learned about the ME-262.

 

[bra_man69]

Don't believe everything you hear. At the Nellis testing area in Nevada they flew one F-22 against twelve F-15 Eagles piloted by the best combat pilots in the Air Force in an all out no holds barred test, all were shot down before they detected the presence of the F-22.

Have you seen the new f-35 I know you go to airshows
The f-35 on top f-22 the bottom