2013; The Palin's in the White House...

[amicus]

Should I live long enough, I am going to keep this thread alive until at least the General Election in November of 2012.

Let me tell you why.

I am a news junky, with a career in broadcasting and print journalism, and, well, hell, I just love to keep up with current events, world-wide.

I perceive the current political climate as one of a clash of philosophies; not just political philosophies, but Philosophy with a big P, a contest of ethical and moral proportions unlike any that have preceded.

It is also a conflict between the undefined Left and the Fundamental Right in American Politics.

I did not foresee the aftermath of the 2010 elections, which is yet, at this date, to be clarified, but it appears to be a true butting of heads between Left and Right, even in the Lame Duck session which is off to a bumpy start.

This is political theatre at its' best, even for one who, once upon a time, had some small influence on events, but has been relegated to spectator status, although multiple cyber space outlets provide a podium of sorts.

The positioning of Republican Candidates for the Primary elections leading up to the Presidential election, is already in progress...not my doing...I am as surprised as you.

Balloons are even being floated for Candidates in the Democrat Party to challenge Obama...imagine that!

For the Pukes who don't like politics, don't read me, if you choose, but, and I mean this, I welcome your commentary whatever it may be.

Ireland, and Greece, has just crumbled to a 'bailout' status, of those Euro Nations who embraced Democratic Socialism are failing, one by one.

Spain is bankrupt and near collapse as is Portugal, and the French are rioting over the downsizing of their public sector.

A trade war with China is a possibility, Japan wishes to counter North Korean Nuclear capabilities with their own arsenal.

Everything is on the table in the Nation's Capitol and if you choose to ignore it, fine, do so. Social issues are also at stake and you know that too.

I don't like Palin; I would not vote for her. But then, I don't like women in power, especially at those levels, reference Nancy Pelosi, tears and emotional outbursts do not suggest rational and logical thought.

I think 2012 will be a 50 State Landslide, whoever runs against Obama, and almost, almost, but not quite, regardless of who runs against him. But if a Liberal Republican such as Romney, with the failed Socialized Medicine program in his State, happens to be the candidate...then deuces wild, anything could happen.

Help me out on this, Left or Right, give me your perspective.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

It wont be Palin or Romney nor any of the above. But Obama is doomed cuz the economy isnt getting better, his TSA agency is theatre of the absurd, and the world doesnt respect him. He's clueless and his government is out of control.

I just read THE LESSONS OF HISTORY by Will Durant. Forty-five years ago Durant noted that dysfunctional democracies usually fall to dictators. Its what I expect.

 

[andtheend]

Normally, I'm not a bush supporter, especially of George, Jr. Pappa Bush was a smart man and had it all over his son. He was presidential.

Yet, I loved what his wife, Barbara, the elder Mrs. Bush said when asked what she thought of Sarah Palin.

"She's from Alaska and knows a lot about her state. She should stay there."

And I agree.

We've already ruined the image of the President with little Bush. We don't need an ex-model, air head, who lived her life, as if she lived in West Virginia.

Any day now, they'll be some nude Sarah Palin pictures, real ones, not the phony ones going around the Internet.

I'd vote for Arnold's wife, Maria, before I voted for Sarah. At least she has a brain in her head and is very polished and articulate. Further, she knows where all the countries are and who rules them.

Let's put Sarah on Dancing with the Stars with her daughter. They make for a good team.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Normally, I'm not a bush supporter, especially of George, Jr. Pappa Bush was a smart man and had it all over his son. He was presidential.

Yet, I loved what his wife, Barbara, the elder Mrs. Bush said when asked what she thought of Sarah Palin.

"She's from Alaska and knows a lot about her state. She should stay there."

And I agree.

We've already ruined the image of the President with little Bush. We don't need an ex-model, air head, who lived her life, as if she lived in West Virginia.

Any day now, they'll be some nude Sarah Palin pictures, real ones, not the phony ones going around the Internet.

I'd vote for Arnold's wife, Maria, before I voted for Sarah. At least she has a brain in her head and is very polished and articulate. Further, she knows where all the countries are and who rules them.

Let's put Sarah on Dancing with the Stars with her daughter. They make for a good team.

Amen, Sister!

 

[wet_special]

They'll be some nude Sara Palin pictures, real ones,

There will be nude pictures of Sarah Palin, really? Any day now?! Okay, I'm waiting. You women, I mean, talk about mean. Just because you didn't jump off the see saw just to let the other kid fall, doesn't mean you don't have a seed of meanness in you. I've never seen so many women attack a public figure who happened to be a woman, and go after her kids too. Who wants to stick up for Sarah Palin when the mobs have already made up their mind?

But I gotta say, I think we've already seen what a marxist can do to tarnish the office of the president, to say nothing of trashing the economy.

And Maria's got a handle on the nations of the world? Great, who cares? Try getting her to talk economics. One, she'll be completely hypocritical about how the rich should pay more taxes while she shelters her money from taxes. And then she'll start spouting Keynesian fantasies.

Whatever happens, we can't afford another Keynesian president.

 

[andtheend]

There will be nude pictures of Sarah Palin, really? Any day now?! Okay, I'm waiting. You women, I mean, talk about mean. Just because you didn't jump off the see saw just to let the other kid fall, doesn't mean you don't have a seed of meanness in you. I've never seen so many women attack a public figure who happened to be a woman, and go after her kids too. Who wants to stick up for Sarah Palin when the mobs have already made up their mind?

But I gotta say, I think we've already seen what a marxist can do to tarnish the office of the president, to say nothing of trashing the economy.

And Maria's got a handle on the nations of the world? Great, who cares? Try getting her to talk economics. One, she'll be completely hypocritical about how the rich should pay more taxes while she shelters her money from taxes. And then she'll start spouting Keynesian fantasies.

Whatever happens, we can't afford another Keynesian president.

Bush and Cheney trashed the economy, not Obama. He walked into the mess that was left him.

Why those two aren't in jail is beyond me. Then, to blame Obama, just to get the Republicans in power again is more spin.

Why anyone, who wasn't a millionaire, would vote for a Republican is unfathomable. I don't get it.

Republicans start wars and move our jobs overseas for cheap labor. Democrats give jobs and favor the union. If we have 8 more years of a Republican president and a Republican senate rubber stamping legislation, as they did when puppet Bush was President, we'll have no health care, the elderly will have no social security, unemployment will be twic what it is now, and that top 1% will get richer.

The fact of the matter is that the white, old, rich, Republican men behind the scenes want Palin in the White House because they can control her. It wouldn't surprise me that she may be elected because 95% of the population is of average or below average intelligence.

I'm afraid we're all doom. Yet, you go ahead and blame Obama for everything because when the Republicans get in power, they'll reverse all the legislation put in place for the average citizen.

Republicans don't care about you or me. It's all about money for them. There's nothing you can say about Obama that will shed the Republicans in a better light. They're evil and driven by greed and motivated by power.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Bush and Cheney trashed the economy, not Obama. He walked into the mess that was left him.

Why those two aren't in jail is beyond me. Then, to blame Obama, just to get the Republicans in power again is more spin.

Why anyone, who wasn't a millionaire, would vote for a Republican is unfathomable. I don't get it.

Republicans start wars and move our jobs overseas for cheap labor. Democrats give jobs and favor the union. If we have 8 more years of a Republican president and a Republican senate rubber stamping legislation, as they did when puppet Bush was President, we'll have no health care, the elderly will have no social security, unemployment will be twic what it is now, and that top 1% will get richer.

The fact of the matter is that the white, old, rich, Republican men behind the scenes want Palin in the White House because they can control her. It wouldn't surprise me that she may be elected because 95% of the population is of average or below average intelligence.

I'm afraid we're all doom. Yet, you go ahead and blame Obama for everything because when the Republicans get in power, they'll reverse all the legislation put in place for the average citizen.

Republicans don't care about you or me. It's all about money for them. There's nothing you can say about Obama that will shed the Republicans in a better light. They're evil and driven by greed and motivated by power.

There are no paupers in Congress. Obama is no pauper, either.

Republicans and Democarts in Washington are elites and perfumed princes who represent special interests. Neither party gives a crap about you or me. To them we're peasants to dig ore in the mines and toil in the fields.

 

[amicus]

andtheend....welcome aboard...

There is something you might consider about Americans in general. We are not defined by our government nor by political parties.

Under out unique constitution, government is not empowered to influence society or the economy, it is granted the power to protect our unalienable rights. We Americans are quite proud of being able to make our own decisions concerning our lifestyles and futures.

For almost a century we have veered away from the intent of our basic laws and moved, to the left, to a more pervasive and invasive government, that to many foreshadows the loss of freedom and independence.

I sense a huge change coming over the next two years as Obama's social experimentation fails and people seek to understand the roots of this nation and our values as a people.

What you are advocating with your large government, socialized medicine and Union Labor power, will ultimately change a free country into a controlled one and eventually into a 'people's republic' not unlike other socialist countries.

Welcome to the forum where all opinions are welcomed and no thoughts are censored or banned.

Amicus

 

[sr71plt]

Hate to break the news to you gulible guys, but andtheend isn't a woman. This is Freddie, BOSTONFICTIONWRITER, who has been on the boards for several years.

Welcome to reality.

 

[amicus]

Regardless of the identity, it is yet another socialist at heart who criticizes the Anerican way and never offers an explanation or a definition of just how communal existence is supposed to function.

Be as general or as specific as you wish, but justify your hand in my pocket?

(TSA agents excepted)

Amicus

 

[sr71plt]

Regardless of the identity, it is yet another socialist at heart who criticizes the Anerican way and never offers an explanation or a definition of just how communal existence is supposed to function.

Gee, if we substituted "reactionary" for "socialist" in this statement, we'd have you, Ami.

 

[amicus]

No, just another evasion.

I have willingly offered a complete understanding of free market capitalism, the workings of a Republican form of government, an outline of the psychological necessity of individual human freedom and even the meaning of ART, as it applies to a sense of life in a free society.

Of all the liberal/progressives over the years on this forum, only the poster, 'Pure' has dared to offer a weak and pallid defense of a communal system.

Other attempts, yours included, resemble a child's outlook on life: "I want it! And I want it now!"

Amicus

 

[sr71plt]

No, just another evasion.

I have willingly offered a complete understanding of free market capitalism, the workings of a Republican form of government, an outline of the psychological necessity of individual human freedom and even the meaning of ART, as it applies to a sense of life in a free society.

Of all the liberal/progressives over the years on this forum, only the poster, 'Pure' has dared to offer a weak and pallid defense of a communal system.

Other attempts, yours included, resemble a child's outlook on life: "I want it! And I want it now!"

Amicus

You don't get it, Ami. It's no evasion. I simply don't care about the claptrap you post to this forum. You are irrelevant and impotent and to be pitied to have been reduced to do your inane ranting in an irrelevant discussion forum. You are already dead. You just haven't figured that out yet.

 

[CharleyH]

Should I live long enough, I am going to keep this thread alive until at least the General Election in November of 2012.

Let me tell you why.

I am a news junky, with a career in broadcasting and print journalism, and, well, hell, I just love to keep up with current events, world-wide.

I perceive the current political climate as one of a clash of philosophies; not just political philosophies, but Philosophy with a big P, a contest of ethical and moral proportions unlike any that have preceded.

It is also a conflict between the undefined Left and the Fundamental Right in American Politics.

I did not foresee the aftermath of the 2010 elections, which is yet, at this date, to be clarified, but it appears to be a true butting of heads between Left and Right, even in the Lame Duck session which is off to a bumpy start.

This is political theatre at its' best, even for one who, once upon a time, had some small influence on events, but has been relegated to spectator status, although multiple cyber space outlets provide a podium of sorts.

The positioning of Republican Candidates for the Primary elections leading up to the Presidential election, is already in progress...not my doing...I am as surprised as you.

Balloons are even being floated for Candidates in the Democrat Party to challenge Obama...imagine that!

For the Pukes who don't like politics, don't read me, if you choose, but, and I mean this, I welcome your commentary whatever it may be.

Ireland, and Greece, has just crumbled to a 'bailout' status, of those Euro Nations who embraced Democratic Socialism are failing, one by one.

Spain is bankrupt and near collapse as is Portugal, and the French are rioting over the downsizing of their public sector.

A trade war with China is a possibility, Japan wishes to counter North Korean Nuclear capabilities with their own arsenal.

Everything is on the table in the Nation's Capitol and if you choose to ignore it, fine, do so. Social issues are also at stake and you know that too.

I don't like Palin; I would not vote for her. But then, I don't like women in power, especially at those levels, reference Nancy Pelosi, tears and emotional outbursts do not suggest rational and logical thought.

I think 2012 will be a 50 State Landslide, whoever runs against Obama, and almost, almost, but not quite, regardless of who runs against him. But if a Liberal Republican such as Romney, with the failed Socialized Medicine program in his State, happens to be the candidate...then deuces wild, anything could happen.

Help me out on this, Left or Right, give me your perspective.

Amicus

The good news is that the Mayans predicted the end of the world at about the same time the next American election will occur.

The bad news? The USA is becoming (killing themselves slowly with their song) inconsequential on an International platform. Just a thought, not an opinion.

 

[wet_special]

unemployment will be twic what it is now, and that top 1% will get richer.

The top 1% PAY 40% of the taxes. The taxes are so high of course our jobs are getting outsourced. Get it? No, too busy blaming Bush when Obama's been in control for the [past 2 years with a pliant congress and media. And his agenda has been repudiated.

As Amicus said, America is waking up and re examining her founding principles. That bodes well for America, bad for .. as JamesB put them, "The perfumed elites."

 

[Stella_Omega]

The top 1% PAY 40% of the taxes. The taxes are so high of course our jobs are getting outsourced.

The top 1% own 40% of the nation's wealth. So cry me a river if they have to pay their taxes like the rest of us.

The top 10% own 70% of the nation's money, and they get tax breaks too.

The way to deal with outsourcing is to remove the tax loopholes that make it so profitable.

 

[JackLuis]

I don't get this "Taxes are too High" argument. No one like taxes, but they are necessary and at the lowest level in a long time.

So what if the top 1% pays 40% of the taxes. The progressive tax system is built that way. If you want to make "LOTS" of money, you pay "LOTS" of taxes. You don't hear Warren Buffet bitching about his taxes, do you?

The "Tea Party" started out as a grass roots movement, bitching about Government in general. Then the Republicans co-oped it and have been trying to herd all these activists into filling the Republican coffers to take the load off the ~1,000 rich white men that control the Republicans.

It also wasn't the Democrats that sold INC propaganda as actual fact, or started the Iraq War and sucked the vitality out of our economy. Offering our taxes and our children's taxes to pay for allowing EXXON and Co. to get Iraqi oil at all.

It was the Democrats, cringing and whining as "W" was lead into the scheme.

Want to fix the economy? Want to protect our country, "Enforce the God Damn Law!" Pull the troops back and place them along the Mexican Border, Ft Bliss and Fort Huachuca for Division HQ's and posts along the border.

Los Coyotes' will have a hard time opposing our Iraq/Afghan vets.

Our troops will be a lot happier, the Afghans will be happier, the Iraqi's will still be arguing, but what else is new?

 

[sr71plt]

The top 1 percent are being forced to go to India to work?

I sort of like that idea.

 

[JackLuis]

The top 1 percent are being forced to go to India to work?

I sort of like that idea.

They'll like Mumbi.

 

[sr71plt]

They'll like Mumbi.

I understand one of the major hotels there is particularly crispy.

 

[Liar]

I don't like Palin; I would not vote for her. But then, I don't like women in power, especially at those levels, reference Nancy Pelosi, tears and emotional outbursts do not suggest rational and logical thought

http://larry5154.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/crybaby.jpg

Meet the new speaker.

 

[wet_special]

The top 1% own 40% of the nation's wealth. So cry me a river if they have to pay their taxes like the rest of us.

The top 10% own 70% of the nation's money, and they get tax breaks too.

The way to deal with outsourcing is to remove the tax loopholes that make it so profitable.

I want to thank you for your thoughtful comments before and your intelligent response here. We may disagree but I like the way you handle yourself.

I have heard the outsourcing argument before and I agree it is a problem. I don't think that closing the loopholes will work though. Rather, it is growing the economy that will increase our tax revenue.

Historically, tax revenues have rarely ever gone over 20% of GDP, and usually closer to 18%. Studies show that increasing taxes does not lead to an increase in revenue. New York state just increased taxes on millionaires, hoping to garner an extra $150 mil in revenue. Instead revenue dropped by $250 mil. Woopsie!

If you can't increase the AMOUNT of GDP you reap in taxes, all you can do is try to improve the GDP. Which is good for everyone anyway. How, you say?

Let's implement a flax tax or the Fair tax. (fairtax.org). If we implemented the fair tax, companies would move back to the states. Studies show that a 23% across the board tax with a monthly $480 prebate would be progressive AND it would match the rate of revenue we currently have now. We could junk the 60,000 pages of tax regulations and all those loopholes, and get rid of the damn IRS.

 

[Stella_Omega]

How will you grow the economy if the jobs keep leaving town?

I knew a woman who worked at one of the last Burlingame fabric mills in the south. All the rest of them had gone to China and this one was hanging on by a thread with one contract from Walmart-- who could leave anytime. They were trying to produce in America at Chinese prices. it did not work.

She died of emphysemia in 1997. She was a character-- lived in a trailer on a mountanside, ate possum and deer...

meanwhile here's Walmart, offering retail for cheaper and cheaper to people who don't have jobs any longer.

I agree, the tax laws need to be simplified.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Regardless of the tartan government wears, all governments perform two basic tasks: Pay the legions and buy time from their enemies. And all caesar's fail because theyre unable to do anything else.

When people grasp this fundamental truth about government and leaders, they then know that their salvation depends on protecting their property from the government. That is, burying the silver service in the outhouse.

 

[JackLuis]

"Lord, Protect your children from idiots!"

‘We’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies,’ Palin tells Beck​

I know it was just a slip of the lip, but that's what got us involved with the Koren War last time.