2 opposing views and 30 minutes of afterlife

[Todd]

Just hypothetical here, but lets suppose that no mattter what belief/faith/science theory is right that the afterlife exists for everyone regardless or a minimum of 30 minutes.

If:

A Christian and Athiest died together at the same time and in that 30 minutes one of thier views was proved correct and the other not would the one in error appologize for being ignorant?
The Christian for ever believing in God or the Athiest for dening God's existance.

If:

A Christian and Muslim died together at the same time and in that 30 minutes one of thier views was proved correct and the other not would the one in error appologize for being ignorant? The Christian for accepting the geneology of Issac or the Muslim for accepting the geneology of Ismael?

If:

A Mormon and Athiest died together at the same time and in that 30 minutes one of thier views was proved correct and the other not would the one in error appologize for being ignorant? The Mormon for believing that he could become a God or the Athiest for ridiculing such thought of possiblity.

If:

A Protestant and Catholic died together at the same time and in that 30 minutes one of thier views was proved correct and the other not would the one in error appologize for being ignorant? The Protestant for believing in faith alone in Jesus for salvation or the Catholic for the veneration of popes, saints and Mary.

Add what other two opposed views and ask the question.

I would find it hard but I would sallow my pride to apologize to the opposition, if the 30 minutes shown me wrong.

How about you?

 

[Todd]

Thanks for your input

 

[YoungGun69]

Thanks for your input

No problem

 

[Shy Tall Guy]

I would find it hard but I would sallow my pride to apologize to the opposition, if the 30 minutes shown me wrong.

How about you?

I would not apologize for being wrong, unless by being wrong I had hurt someone directly. I would admit being wrong quite readily though.

 

[lilminx]

Ihate theoretical thoelogical questions- that's why I didn't respond.... Sorry, Todd...

 

[Calamity Jane]

I'm with shy tall guy... i wouldn't aplogize, though i may admit i was wrong. this is all hypothetical of course, because while i believe in an afterlife, i believe it's determined by the knowledge that our souls carry... which means no one will be proven right or wrong.

of course, i also choose not to view people who follow a different spiritual path than i do as 'opposition'.

 

[Todd]

Re: Re: 2 opposing views and 30 minutes of afterlife

I would not apologize for being wrong, unless by being wrong I had hurt someone directly. I would admit being wrong quite readily though.

thank you for pointing out my folly of verbosity I used the wrong wording. you hit what I meant.

Would we willingly admit being wrong, even when show we were wrong.

 

[Todd]

I'm with shy tall guy... i wouldn't aplogize, though i may admit i was wrong. this is all hypothetical of course, because while i believe in an afterlife, i believe it's determined by the knowledge that our souls carry... which means no one will be proven right or wrong.

of course, i also choose not to view people who follow a different spiritual path than i do as 'opposition'.

agian I apologize and thank you for pointing out the folly of my inadequate verbosity.

I just couldn't when I typed it up think of a beter term than opposition. what I meant i guess was presented with your beleif and another belief and yours was shown wrong would admitatance readily come.

thank you for taking time to offer a thought and correcting my err

 

[fgarvb1]

Todd, it's not going to happen so why should i worry about it?

 

[Todd]

Its just a hypothetical question to ponder for discussion

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I find it too hypothetical to give it any thought. Sorry. It's a bit like asking "If a giant head of cabbage asked you to dance, would you say "no?", and why?"

I know what you're going for here -- "If I could PROVE to you that God wears tennis shoes and not loafers would you be able to admit that you were wrong, or are people in general just so married to their positions that they'd never be able to admit the truth even when it's right there in front of them explained plain as day?"

It's exactly how I felt with you every time I explained the mathematical errors in the Creationist arguments you found on the net, but STILL continued to villify Evolution.

My answer to the above"If" question is just to *shrug* and say, "It's not going to happen, and I'm too secure in my convictions to suspend belief long enough to come up with a scenario where it does."

 

[scylis]

If:

A Mormon and Athiest died together at the same time and in that 30 minutes one of thier views was proved correct and the other not would the one in error appologize for being ignorant? The Mormon for believing that he could become a God or the Athiest for ridiculing such thought of possiblity.

i'm sorry, but i wish that i hadn't read this thread. now i can't stop thinking about getting into an accident with my gf along with me.


it's not your fault, man, it's mine. sorry.

 

[poohlive]

I think the general theme of your argument here is opposition. You are saying, quite reasonably, that on this earth there are so diverse religions, and everyone thinks of creation and afterlife so differently, that it's impossible for all of them to be correct.
Another way to put this is a simple sentence:
At least one of these religions has to be wrong. Possibly more, but at least one.
Your specific argument is simply trying to narrow it down a little bit. Asking which is wrong for this specific situation. And you brought in everything from atheism to scientology.
Wow, big question, and I can easily see why people don't want to answer it. Religion is one of the few things on earth that can not be reasoned logically. You can logically reason just about everything on this planet, but when it comes to religion it just can't be reasonably debated.
Why? Because the basic premise of religion is that it's supposed to be followed blindly. You're not supposed to question your religion. In fact religion was specifically made to answer all the questions. What happens after you die? How was everything created? It warms out hearts and puts everything into a tight little package. No if's and's or buts.
So, when a question like this comes up. It scares us, it shakes the very ground we're supposed to think was unshakable. It makes us lose confidence in our religion. Religion is the only thing you can't lose confidence in. You can lose confidence in humanity, yeah people are assholes, what's new. You can lose confidence in your officials, you can even lose confidence in yourself. All of these are major set backs, but you can still go on living. When you lose confidence in religion though, everything is blown out of the water.
Religion is so strong in humanity. People die for their religion, people destroy innocent lives for their religion. That's just the thing, people have so much confidence in their religion, that they are willing to hijack a plane and ram it into a high rise building.
You think those guys were questioning what would happen when they die? No, they were completely confident that it was right.
Don't take this the wrong way though, I'm not advocating what happened, or even the fact that following one aspect of a religion to that extent is in any way right. I'm just showing an example.
My point is, a person's religions isn't like a piece on a roulette wheel. You can't just pick one, and hope in the afterlife, that yours is correct.
But, this does lead to an interesting question, why are religions so diversified? Why are there people who believe in one god/many gods/no gods/spirits/angels/trolls/fairies/space aliens/klingons/deities/mole people?
The bible says that when the people of earth tried to build a tower up to heaven, he purposely spread them out. Giving them different languages, heritages, and religions. That is a good explanation, if your religion consists of the bible. If not, it gets fuzzy as to what happened.
I mean, if there is a god up there watching over us, you'd think he'd want us to at least get the story right. Why would he have so many different people getting the story wrong, and only one of them being correct? I would think if I were a god, I'd want everyone to know the truth. Hi, I'm god, your supposed to do this, your not supposed to do that, have fun living.
Then you'd want to think, oh hey, well that proves there is no god, or if there is he doesn't care about us, or which religion we follow. I am not trying to prove anything here, just making argument.
Each major religion speaks out on how everyone else is wrong, and how they are right. I don't think this is correct, I think that god doesn't care. Personally, I think he doesn't care what we believe in, as long as we believe in something. If we believe in a river spirit, or a god of justice, of Allah or Jehova, or God or Gods, it doesn't matter, we believe in him.
The rest of it is just technicality.
Don't eat pork, meditate to find a higher truth, confess your sins, drink wine and crackers to symbolize everlasting life, all of it is just proof that you believe in that higher thing.
This doesn't include all regligions, specifically atheism and scientology, but even in those religions you believe in them. You believe that they are correct, and you are happy that your religion is being followed. That's what he wants as well, as long as you believe in something.
In many religions it says god(s) takes many forms. If you want to put it in this concept, it's true.
That's just my personal view on it though, and from any specific religions point of view it's horribly wrong. I don't mind though, it's just my opinion, and not everyone's supposed to agree with my opinion.
I have gotten a little off topic with this, let me just wrap it up and be on my way.
If I were to die, and I saw that what I believe in was wrong, I wouldn't apologize, I'd laugh. I'd laugh right in the face of whoever or whatever would be there to laugh at. I'd laugh hysterically, seeing how so many people had gotten it wrong. Then, of course I'd be curious. I'd wonder why, if this was what's supposed to happen, and what's going on in the afterlife, why isn't it at least shared with other people? Why is it held so secretively that this is the only thing going on and everything else is so horribly wrong? I mean, if whoever was standing before me loved humanity, loved them enough to create them, why would he just sit back and laugh when they made mistakes about religion and afterlife and creation and everything?
Honestly I wouldn't apologize or ask forgiveness, I'd be downright mad at him. He was the one who didn't provide me with enough information to figure this out on my own, and if it's anyone's fault, it's his. He should apologize to me, for knowingly letting me die without any knowledge of what was going on.
If we were born into following what we believed in, how could god judge that against us? How could he accuse us of being wrong? Even if we were introduced to the correct religion, how would we know that it's the correct one? Christianity in itself has so many different religions. Everything from lutherism to jehovah witnesses. How do we know what's right if the followers of one religions keep arguing over what's wrong and right?
Christianity became popular because one ruler had a dream about a cross. He immediately told everyone to worship christianity, and it was the assumed correct religion. Overnight it became a sensation.
I've blabbed off enough, it's getting late and I've covered just about what I wanted to cover in this. I hope I didn't offend too many people, and even though this is radical thinking in just about every aspect I hope you come out with at least something learned.
Well, something besides this man is a total wacko with way too much time on his hands.
Thank you and good night.

 

[GuyJD]

Welcome back to the board, Poohlive. Long tme no see, dude.

 

[poohlive]

Oh, I never left. I just decided not to view the general board for a while. Obvious reasons, lol. slowly coming back here though.

 

[GuyJD]

WELCOME BACK, POOHLIVE

Long time no see, dude.

 

[poohlive]

:bowing, blushing, waving politely:
Thank you so much. It has been too long hasn't it?

 

[GuyJD]

:bowing, blushing, waving politely:
Thank you so much. It has been too long hasn't it?

LOL........Sorry, disregard that last post (your 2nd welcome back)
I returned from viewing my PM's and the board didn't show the updated threads/posts. So I wrote it again, thinking that the board wasn't working.

 

[poohlive]

No, it's ok. lol, I thought it was very flattering.
As if you were trying to make your point across.
I am welcome, lol, thanks again.

 

[Todd]

Thank you poohlive

that was a beautiful response deep enough I had to come back and read it three times, simple enough that I could understand it.

thank you, I feel honoured that a legend such as youself even read my thread let alone responded

 

[Young Knave]

If the Atheist were right, there wouldn't be a chance for anyone to apologize to him. Sorry for nitpicking.