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[JohnEngelman]

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[ll74]

I'm impressed you never mentioned race once

 

[YDB95]

I rarely post a link with the attitude, "This essay proves that I am right."

You say that all the time, John. For cryin' out loud...

 

[JohnEngelman]

You say that all the time, John. For cryin' out loud...

I nearly always compose my own arguments, using the internet only to document my factual assertions.

 

[YDB95]

I nearly always compose my own arguments,

That chart you post several times a week "proving" Blacks are genetically dumber is not your own work, and you invariably insist that it's unimpeachably true.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That chart you post several times a week "proving" Blacks are genetically dumber is not your own work, and you invariably insist that it's unimpeachably true.

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[ll74]

I use the internet to document factual assertions I make in arguments I compose myself.

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2006 College & University
Guidance, Scholarships, Money and Info Gateways
(For Students, Parents, College Advisors, Mentors,
and Cultural Groups)
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SAT and ACT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: 2003

In recent years the noted pattern of test scores has reflected similar numbers--
Editor, 2005

SAT Ethnic Group Scores (Math/Verbal+total)

• American Indian---482/480 (962)
• Asian American-----575/508 (1083)
• African American-----426/431 (857)
• Puerto Rican----457/448 (905)

Other Hispanic----464/457 (921)

• White-----534/529 (1063)
• Other ----513/501 (1014)

Source: www.collegeboard.com

Average ACT Composite Score by Race/Ethnicity, 2003
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• African American ----16.9
• American Indian---18.7
• Caucasian---- 21.7
• Mexican American----18.3
• Asian American---- 21.8
• Hispanic----19.0
• Other ----19.3
• Multiracial-----20.9
• Prefer Not to Respond -----21.8
• No Response-----20.1

Source: www.act.org

Quote from attached SAT/ACT article:

"Readiness for college science and math coursework was particularly low among
African American students. Only 5 percent of African American test-takers scored
at or above the college-readiness benchmark for college biology, and just 10
percent attained the readiness benchmark for college algebra. Ferguson said
Black students were less likely than others to take tough, college-prep courses
and "often don't receive the information and guidance they need to properly plan
for college."

For overview and more info, go to:
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0DXK/15_20/109265562/p1/article.jhtml
http://www.blackexcel.org/06-sat-act-scores-by-race-ethnicity.htm






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Nine of the sources actually take you to the data sources and still, one of your copy pasta links doesnt even exist anymore.

And none of your data has been "updated" within the last two decades.

And no, I won't update your data for you.

 

[JohnEngelman]

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[ll74]

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Would love to see what idiocy put this chart together.....but alas....we know you don't have the source link.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Nine of the sources actually take you to the data sources and still, one of your copy pasta links doesnt even exist anymore.

And none of your data has been "updated" within the last two decades.

And no, I won't update your data for you.

Because of the taboos and sanctions against drawing attention to durable racial differences in average intelligence, it is difficult to find more recent data. Liberals want people to believe that in a society led by them people would become more moral and more intelligent. Conservatives want people to believe that anyone can become rich if they work hard enough.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Would love to see what idiocy put this chart together.....but alas....we know you don't have the source link.

It is from the Cato Institute.

 

[ll74]

Because of the taboos and sanctions against drawing attention to durable racial differences in average intelligence, it is difficult to find more recent data. Liberals want people to believe that in a society led by them people would become more moral and more intelligent. Conservatives want people to believe that anyone can become rich if they work hard enough.

No, it's because you don't know where the data comes from and therefore cannot provide updated data.

 

[ll74]

It is from the Cato Institute.

That's not the source. That's an institution.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Nine of the sources actually take you to the data sources and still, one of your copy pasta links doesnt even exist anymore.

And none of your data has been "updated" within the last two decades.

And no, I won't update your data for you.

The data I have posted comes from Brookings,

No, it's because you don't know where the data comes from and therefore cannot provide updated data.

The data I post is clearly labeled as to the source. My sources are the National Longitudinal Survey of Labor Market Experience of Youth, 1980 to 1990, the SAT, the ACT, and Cato.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That's not the source. That's an institution.

The Cato Institute is the source of the data that demonstrates that spending more money on public schools does not give better results.

 

[ll74]

The data I have posted comes from Brookings,

Provide the link directly to the data.

The data I post is clearly labeled as to the source. My sources are the National Longitudinal Survey of Labor Market Experience of Youth, 1980 to 1990, the SAT, the ACT, and Cato.

Provide the link directly to the data.

Your sources are not those sites..your sources are the website that took the pictures. That is not the same thing. And as much as you dismiss it, this is a very important distinction.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Provide the link directly to the data.

Provide the link directly to the data.

Your sources are not those sites..your sources are the website that took the pictures. That is not the same thing. And as much as you dismiss it, this is a very important distinction.

It is an irrelevant distinction. If a credible source makes assertions I assume they are true, and so should you.

 

[ll74]

It is an irrelevant distinction. If a credible source makes assertions I assume they are true, and so should you.

And you have no idea what assertions the sources mentioned made. You trust that a third party (some random guy you agree with on the internet) is giving you accurate and complete information. The only other option is that they have provided you the direct link and you have verified for yourself and therefore don't need to trust them.

Either way, the reason you don't have a direct link to the data is because you've never verified it and that's because you're fucking lazy and entrenched in confirmation bias.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What you are really saying is that if I did not do the research myself I should not trust the research of the Bookings Institute, the SAT, and the ACT.

Anyone with extensive experience with blacks knows that most are less intelligent than whites, less sexually responsible, and that many are more dangerous. There are intelligent, law abiding, and monogamous blacks, just as there are stupid, promiscuous white criminals. In either case they are not typical.

A book like The Bell Curve does not present assertions that are counter intuitive. Any school guidance counselor knows that students who score poorly on IQ tests at the age of seven perform poorly at school and at life, and that students who score well usually perform well at both.

 

[ll74]

What you are really saying is that if I did not do the research myself I should not trust the research of the Bookings Institute, the SAT, and the ACT.

Anyone with extensive experience with blacks knows that most are less intelligent than whites, less sexually responsible, and that many are more dangerous. There are intelligent, law abiding, and monogamous blacks, just as there are stupid, promiscuous white criminals. In either case they are not typical.

A book like The Bell Curve does not present assertions that are counter intuitive. Any school guidance counselor knows that students who score poorly on IQ tests at the age of seven perform poorly at school and at life, and that students who score well usually perform well at both.

No, I'm not saying that because you haven't used their sources....you've used someone else's pictures of those sources and you trusting them that their data is a direct.reflection.

You've not seen the data referenced. For all you know, it doesn't say what they told you that it says. And you certainly haven't corroborated it with another source.

 

[JohnEngelman]

I'm impressed you never mentioned race once

An honest discussion of the problems the United States has faced since 1963 needs to include mention of the increases in black social pathology that followed the passage of the civil rights legislation and the declaration of the War on Poverty.

It was not supposed to be that way. Early advocates of the civil rights movement - like me as a child during the 1950's - confidently predicted that when blacks were given equal rights most of them would behave and perform as well as well as most whites. When this did not happen it became dangerous to draw attention to what did happen.

 

[JohnEngelman]

No, I'm not saying that because you haven't used their sources....you've used someone else's pictures of those sources and you trusting them that their data is a direct.reflection.

You've not seen the data referenced. For all you know, it doesn't say what they told you that it says. And you certainly haven't corroborated it with another source.

No where is there credible data that shows that blacks and whites have comparable scores on mental aptitude tests, as well as similar rates of crime and illegitimacy. Those who blame the persistence of black social pathology on white racism need to explain why black crime rates and illegitimacy have risen since the civil rights legislation was passed and the War on Poverty was declared.

I post data from trustworthy sources, rather than sources proven to be dishonest, like Rush Limbaugh.

https://fair.org/home/the-way-things-arent/

There is a difference from advocating a course of action, and stating a fact. I disagree with The Wall Street Journal that the government should raise taxes on the poor and cut taxes for the rich. Nevertheless, when an article in The Wall Street Journal said that an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created every year during the Carter administration, and that this declined to an average of 2,000,000 jobs every year under Ronald Reagan, I trust the Journal's assertion.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

 

[ll74]

No where is there credible data that shows that blacks and whites have comparable scores on mental aptitude tests, as well as similar rates of crime and illegitimacy. Those who blame the persistence of black social pathology on white racism need to explain why black crime rates and illegitimacy have risen since the civil rights legislation was passed and the War on Poverty was declared.

I post data from trustworthy sources, rather than sources proven to be dishonest, like Rush Limbaugh.

https://fair.org/home/the-way-things-arent/

There is a difference from advocating a course of action, and stating a fact. I disagree with The Wall Street Journal that the government should raise taxes on the poor and cut taxes for the rich. Nevertheless, when an article in The Wall Street Journal said that an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created every year during the Carter administration, and that this declined to an average of 2,000,000 jobs every year under Ronald Reagan, I trust the Journal's assertion.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/

Bullshit. I doubt you even remember where you grabbed the IQ graph picture from.

The "data" you use most often are from third party websites. And when I've asked for updated data, you make up excuses for why you can't provide it and blame other people for why you believe you can't find it.

 

[YDB95]

An honest discussion of the problems the United States has faced since 1963 needs to include mention of the increases in black social pathology that followed the passage of the civil rights legislation and the declaration of the War on Poverty.

The problems you're alluding to existed before 1963, too. They were just ignored then. And things have changed for all other races as well.

 

[Veroe]

Disagreements on the Politics Board should always be discussed calmly and politely with rational, fact based arguments.

They should...sure...it's the ideal, but in reality, in this country, political disagreements is over anything but rational or fact based arguments. This board only reflects the sorry state of politics in America currently. It's one of those fun-house mirrors where all discussion is distorted by people's ignorance or personal biases or tribalism on the topic being discussed. That's not a space where reason or evidence can be discussed honestly really.