“Take the guns first. Go through due process second." - Trump, direct quote

[BotanyBoy]

^^^
If Obama

The most pathetic deflection you could have possibly come up with, verifying that the context does invalidate the quote.

Furthermore the fact that the (R)'s shut his ass down just as fast as they scolded the (D)'s for the exact same policy proposals invalidates the pathetic deflection.

 

[KeithD]

Anyone who thinks their right to have access to a rapid-fire weapon supersedes anyone else's right to live has a mental problem and shouldn't be permitted access to a rapid-fire weapon.

 

[RoryN]

The most pathetic deflection you could have possibly come up with, verifying that the context does invalidate the quote.

https://i.imgur.com/BUInxBy.gif

 

[RoryN]

The left cherry picked that quote and has been running with it ever since....some pretending he meant everyone, others treating it like Trump commanded it into law from MSM to the GB.

https://i.imgur.com/oEJUHNx.jpg
Source: https://www.breitbart.com/clips/201...the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/

https://i.imgur.com/FNRAW3x.jpg
Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-puts-nra-on-defensive-with-stunning-gun-comments

 

[BotanyBoy]

Anyone who thinks their right to have access to a rapid-fire weapon supersedes anyone else's right to live has a mental problem and shouldn't be permitted access to a rapid-fire weapon.

Those two things aren't mutually exclusive Keith.

https://i.imgur.com/BUInxBy.gif

Shit talk ain't refutation anymore than "IF OBAMA!!" is.....better luck next time bubba.

 

[BotanyBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/oEJUHNx.jpg
Source: https://www.breitbart.com/clips/201...the-guns-first-go-through-due-process-second/

https://i.imgur.com/FNRAW3x.jpg
Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-puts-nra-on-defensive-with-stunning-gun-comments

Thanks for verifying the ideological consistency of conservatives.

 

[BizzaBizza]

^^^
If Obama had said it while President - with this same context - you deplorables would have shit enough bricks to build the wall.

The context above does NOT invalidate the quote. Thanks for playing!

Context

President Trump on Wednesday voiced support for confiscating guns from certain individuals deemed to be dangerous, even if it violates due process rights.

“I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida ... to go to court would have taken a long time,” Trump said at a meeting with lawmakers on school safety and gun violence.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,” Trump said.

Trump was responding to comments from Vice President Pence that families and local law enforcement should have more tools to report potentially dangerous individuals with weapons.

47.For the sake of their own argument, a GB Snowflake will ignore everything you have said and just keep talking, because if they listened to you, they'd have to change their point of view.

49. Snowflakes will leave out or ignore critical, factual information in order to create their desired narrative of a topic.

The meaning you are ascribing to the quote is false.

Thanks for playing!

That about says it.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

LMAO!!

Red Flag Laws:

In the United States, a red flag law is a gun control law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves. A judge makes the determination to issue the order based on statements and actions made by the gun owner in question.

That's called DUE PROCESS:

fair treatment through the normal judicial system


So no, the "context" does not excuse the quote:

Take the guns first. Go through due process second

 

[BizzaBizza]

LMAO!!

Red Flag Laws:



That's called DUE PROCESS:

fair treatment through the normal judicial system


So no, the "context" does not excuse the quote:

Research, have you heard of it?

As of August 2019, 17 states and the District of Columbia have passed some form of red-flag law. The specifics of the laws, and the degree to which they are enforced, vary from state to state.

Some counties and cities have adopted "Second Amendment sanctuary" resolutions in opposition to red flag laws.[79][82][83] As of 2019, some 75 jurisdictions have declared themselves sanctuaries that oppose emergency protection orders and enforcement of gun background checks, at times with assistance from the NRA.[79]

In the wake of the El Paso, Texas shooting and Dayton, Ohio shooting of August 4 and 5, 2019, President Donald Trump called on states to implement red flag laws to help remove guns from "those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety."[41]

What's it matter? You have a one-dimensional mind stuck with tunnel vision.

 

[Klinkster]

“Florida Man Lost His 2A Rights, Thanks To Red Flag Laws And Mistaken Identity”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...se-of-another-mans-criminal-activity-n2551921

Read the article.
Do you think that this even resembles due process??

You don’t seem to understand, that the red flag laws they are passing, and enforcing, and talking about in other states and on a federal level, turns due process upside down.
You are guilty, and have to prove yourself innocent. And, all I have seen, there are no rights given to the unfairly accused, as this guy, who spent 1000’s to get his guns back.

Due process.....my ass.

LMAO!!

Red Flag Laws:



That's called DUE PROCESS:

fair treatment through the normal judicial system


So no, the "context" does not excuse the quote:

 

[Carnal_Flower]

That's going through a legal process; totally the opposite of "just take the guns and go through due process second."

IT doesn't matter if it's Red Flag Laws or any laws: Dipshit POTUS advocated just doing what you want without going through the legal process.

No context or explanation offered by you or any other dipshit has made that ok.

Research, have you heard of it?

As of August 2019, 17 states and the District of Columbia have passed some form of red-flag law. The specifics of the laws, and the degree to which they are enforced, vary from state to state.

Some counties and cities have adopted "Second Amendment sanctuary" resolutions in opposition to red flag laws.[79][82][83] As of 2019, some 75 jurisdictions have declared themselves sanctuaries that oppose emergency protection orders and enforcement of gun background checks, at times with assistance from the NRA.[79]

In the wake of the El Paso, Texas shooting and Dayton, Ohio shooting of August 4 and 5, 2019, President Donald Trump called on states to implement red flag laws to help remove guns from "those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety."[41]

What's it matter? You have a one-dimensional mind stuck with tunnel vision.

 

[bigsly]

Anyone who thinks their right to have access to a rapid-fire weapon supersedes anyone else's right to live has a mental problem and shouldn't be permitted access to a rapid-fire weapon.

First it was all "weapons of war", then it turned into all "assault weapons", now this socialist puke dictates that all "rapid-fire" weapons should be outlawed, which literally includes even revolvers.

AR15 or Revolvers shoot faster? Firing Rate Experiment (An excellent demonstration, btw, to the truth that an AR15's scary "assault" looks is what truly melts snowflakes, not its actual effectiveness compared to the equally "rapid-fire" rate of simple revolvers.)

Believe your eyes, not their lies: these socialists/traitors intend nothing less than the unconstitutional disarming of America.

 

[BizzaBizza]

That's going through a legal process; totally the opposite of "just take the guns and go through due process second."

IT doesn't matter if it's Red Flag Laws or any laws: Dipshit POTUS advocated just doing what you want without going through the legal process.

No context or explanation offered by you or any other dipshit has made that ok.

You have no idea what is going on in this conversation.

You don't follow along. You don't know how to interpret information. You speak when you should be thinking, and you're so focused on TRUMP BAD that you regurgitate the same lines no matter what points people have made, including who Trump was referencing when he said whose guns should be taken under what circumstance.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I know exactly what he said:

“A lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures,” Trump said. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

"Take the firearms first and then go to court," Trump said, arguing that waiting for legal procedures can take too long to prevent a shooting such as the one that left 17 people dead at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this month.

Still not ok.

You have no idea what is going on in this conversation.

You don't follow along. You don't know how to interpret information. You speak when you should be thinking, and you're so focused on TRUMP BAD that you regurgitate the same lines no matter what points people have made, including who Trump was referencing when he said whose guns should be taken under what circumstance.

 

[BizzaBizza]

I know exactly what he said:

“A lot of times, by the time you go to court, it takes so long to go to court to get the due process procedures,” Trump said. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”

Take the firearms first and then go to court," Trump said, arguing that waiting for legal procedures can take too long to prevent a shooting such as the one that left 17 people dead at a Parkland, Fla., high school earlier this month.

Still not ok.

This thread is about Rory (and the Left in general everywhere you go) using Trump's quote as an all encompassing rule on the second amendment.

It's a troll thread.

It's a troll topic.

We discuss it, because ... why not? What else is there to do in this fucking place?

When we mention context, it's to tell Rory (and you, since you jumped in on the subject) and anyone else who wants to parcel the quote out as needed, that Trump never said it to mean everyone, he said it to mean "those with mental health issues that are or will be a danger to others" ... but it's funner for a troll to say, "No, he means everyone, everyone! Fuck context."

First, we've stated what Trump meant (we've provided links) and second, as Botany has pointed out using Rory's own post: The Right and Gun's Rights Activist NEVER agreed with Trump on his statement.

It's against the second amendment, it's a robbery of rights, (especially in states without the Red Flag Laws, but even in Red Flag States, all 17 of them and the District of Columbia, it's still a second amendment issue that will one day reach SCOTUS, and guess which way they will vote on the issue).

You have said there is no context, and now you're saying you know the context, and it is still not right.

No one gives a shit about what you have to say because you are solely focused on: TRUMP BAD.

You're not even a troll.

You're a fanatic.

 

[Kantarii]

That’s putting it mildly.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Not me; I'm merely addressing exactly what he said.

This thread is about Rory (and the Left in general everywhere you go) using Trump's quote as an all encompassing rule on the second amendment

.

I know it's about so-called "crazy" people. That doesn't change things. Even crazy people have due process, like I just quoted about Red Flag Laws.

When we mention context, it's to tell Rory (and you, since you jumped in on the subject) and anyone else who wants to parcel the quote out as needed, that Trump never said it to mean everyone, he said it to mean "those with mental health issues that are or will be a danger to others" ... but it's funner for a troll to say, "No, he means everyone, everyone! Fuck context."

So what? This is about what you Deplorables say. You're trying to hide behind OTHERS who "never agreed" with Trump's statement.

And, duh, first you say the "context" makes it all ok; then you say "Well OTHER PEOPLE" have never agreed with it.

The second point contradicts the first.

As Botany has pointed out using Rory's own post: The Right and Gun's Rights Activist NEVER agreed with Trump on his statement.

Wait, I thought we were the ones making this all about the Second Amendment. I thought he was only talking about crazy people, not "everyone."

Your third point contradicts your first AND second. Now you say it is a Second Amendment Issue AND that it's a robbery of rights.

It's against the second amendment, it's a robbery of rights, (especially in states without the Red Flag Laws, but even in Red Flag States, all 17 of them and the District of Columbia, it's still a second amendment issue that will one day reach SCOTUS, and guess which way they will vote on the issue).

It's exactly right. I quoted Trump in full.

You have said there is no context, and now you're saying you know the context, and it is still not right.

You're just not very sharp. Hurling insults at me doesn't make your argument any more coherent. Hint: we're right, and Trump's an idiot. You're doing your best to try and protect the idiot, and end up being an idiot yourself.

 

[BizzaBizza]

Hint: we're right, and Trump's an idiot.

That is the basis of your every fanatical post and that is why you have no credibility.

I encourage everyone to read back through your post in order to understand how maniacal you are, and how out of touch with the topic you are.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Deflection from the fact that you ended up saying this:

It's against the second amendment, it's a robbery of rights

LOL. You are a dimwit.

That is the basis of your every fanatical post and that is why you have no credibility.

 

[BizzaBizza]

Deflection from the fact that you ended up saying this:

It's against the second amendment, it's a robbery of rights

LOL. You are a dimwit.

I was going to leave this alone, but talking to you is like talking to a Flat Earther. The Second Amendment is the one, the "Right to Bear Arms" now, if you infringe upon that Right (as Trump suggested and as many argue that the Red Flag Law does in the 17 states it has been adopted by) then you are taking away people's rights. You are ROBBING them of their rights, which is robbing them of due process. Your comprehension level is that of a first grader, or as you like to say, a dimwit.

You have gone from saying there was no context to there was context, and Trump is still wrong.

You have cited the Red Flag Law and then said it didn't matter.

You are all over this conversation.

Like I said, I encourage people to read through your posts.


And your're damn right I said it. Here is the quote in full, pertaining to your (Carnal_Flower's) understanding of a topic. Enjoy, for a second time.

This thread is about Rory (and the Left in general everywhere you go) using Trump's quote as an all encompassing rule on the second amendment.

It's a troll thread.

It's a troll topic.

We discuss it, because ... why not? What else is there to do in this fucking place?

When we mention context, it's to tell Rory (and you, since you jumped in on the subject) and anyone else who wants to parcel the quote out as needed, that Trump never said it to mean everyone, he said it to mean "those with mental health issues that are or will be a danger to others" ... but it's funner for a troll to say, "No, he means everyone, everyone! Fuck context."

First, we've stated what Trump meant (we've provided links) and second, as Botany has pointed out using Rory's own post: The Right and Gun's Rights Activist NEVER agreed with Trump on his statement.

It's against the second amendment, it's a robbery of rights, (especially in states without the Red Flag Laws, but even in Red Flag States, all 17 of them and the District of Columbia, it's still a second amendment issue that will one day reach SCOTUS, and guess which way they will vote on the issue).

You have said there is no context, and now you're saying you know the context, and it is still not right.

No one gives a shit about what you have to say because you are solely focused on: TRUMP BAD.

You're not even a troll.

You're a fanatic.

 

[RoryN]

https://i.imgur.com/UEtKDDT.jpg

Source:
https://youtu.be/30E5P12DVEk

 

[BizzaBizza]

https://i.imgur.com/SQUe8IQ.gif

 

[Dribble]

Colt Manufacturing has decided not to sell AR-15s to public customers anymore.

Tick Tock. One community...one business at a time.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Colt Manufacturing has decided not to sell AR-15s to public customers anymore.

Tick Tock. One community...one business at a time.

Yet they still sell the M4. They aren't idiots.

 

[RoryN]

*bump*