zhukov1943

Originally posted by zhukov1943
I'm basing my opinion of you on the above GB thread where you're giggling with your buddy Byron about how much fun this board invasion is gonna be.

Puh-lease, miss 'butter wouldn't melt in my mouth'...

You play nice in here, I have absolutely no problem with you. Really. On your home board, you play whatever games you wanna play - fuck with people asking serious questions - hell, fuck with people who are upset about a death in their family. But don't do that HERE.

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I have to say this was one of the most self centered, assholish posts I have ever seen directed at someone who has done absolutely nothing to you. Sorry to bust your bubble, but Byron isn't my buddy, If I'm not mistaken tonight was the first time either of us posted to each other. Second of all, what business of it is yours what we say on "the other board?"

How dare you accuse me of fucking with people who have serious questions, and especially of fucking with people who have lost a loved one. That is sick and beyond cruel, and never in my posting history of this site or any other site have I ever done such a thing.

And lastly how dare you tell me how to post.

You are a fucking hypocrit and truely fit the profile of a troll if I have ever seen one. You have followed me into a serious discussion, and tried to berate me, all the while contributing NOTHING to the thread. Isn't that the exact opposite of what this forum was created for? And yall feared that the GBers would be the ones to break the rules. You sir can pride yourself on being the first mean spirited troll of a forum you were trying to "protect."

Way to go buddy, you sure are a stand up guy.

You wanna fight with me? Here's your chance, let's see what you're really made of.

<grabs the popcorn and sits back for the show>

He dares tell you what to post and how to post on Lit?

Is he stupid or something?

PinkOrchid said:

It wasn't even warranted. She gave a serious answer to a serious question, and he overreacted.

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I read the thread.

He interrupted a discussion, that was going well by the way, to have this tirade.

Yeah, and dude continues to hijack the thread, so I created this very same thread over there to pretty much get him off of a serious thread. I was trying to be respectful. Well. The original version of this thread has gone to never never land, which is why I created this one, to keep him from derailing the other one further.

I really did need something to sharpen my claws on. I was starting to get soft.

Well, all of the history has now been deleted. *sigh* So he can deny everything. LadyG just PMed me and told me she took it all out. I had closed the browser and lost it too.

Now I am fucking pissed. First the deleting of my first thread, then the puppy thread, and now this.

Ok, so who is gonna find out of perhaps this is too much power for someone to have?

Sounds to me like that forum is being moderated to death...

The bickering and name calling posts were deleted from the thread because they didn't belong there. If they want to fight with each other, that's fine.

Just don't disrespect a serious topic and the thread starter with pettiness.

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It's not gone. I saved it. If you want it, PM an email address to me and I'll send it to you.

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There you go, you can repost it here.

I followed the thread and read his posts on the How To Forum. My opinion is that he was out of line within the guidelines for the moderated site.

I think he is one of the few that resents us going over there and posting.

Bad Kitty was right.
The zhuk was wrong.

I have spoken.

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I have spoken.

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Said the great and powerful OZ!

PinkOrchid said:

It's not gone. I saved it. If you want it, PM an email address to me and I'll send it to you.

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I never suspected that I would have to save things from a bulletin board due to fear they'd disappear. This is a sad, sad day.

Lady G, I understand you had good intentions, and I have never had a problem with you before, but to erase all that he did, like it never happened didn't do anyone any good. If the great kitty mama deleted everything Bob did, or desi did, then noone would know what kind of people they were.

You should have moved my first thread here instead of deleting it, and you should never have deleted those posts. And if there is any way you can bring back the puppy thread and move it here, I am sure most of us would appreciate it. It was a good thread with light hearted humor and some serious posts in it. It hurt noone, on the contrary, it brightened many people's day.

LadyGuinivere said:

The bickering and name calling posts were deleted from the thread because they didn't belong there. If they want to fight with each other, that's fine.

Just don't disrespect a serious topic and the thread starter with pettiness.

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I'm on the outside looking in and trying to understand. I read this thread first and then the HTC thread this one linked to.

Where is the disrespect of the subject or threadstarter?

ruminator said:

I'm on the outside looking in and trying to understand. I read this thread first and then the HTC thread this one linked to.

Where is the disrespect of the subject or threadstarter?

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I guess zdude has been cleansed of his sins.

bad kitty said:

I never suspected that I would have to save things from a bulletin board due to fear they'd disappear. This is a sad, sad day.

Lady G, I understand you had good intentions, and I have never had a problem with you before, but to erase all that he did, like it never happened didn't do anyone any good. If the great kitty mama deleted everything Bob did, or desi did, then noone would know what kind of people they were.

You should have moved my first thread here instead of deleting it, and you should never have deleted those posts. And if there is any way you can bring back the puppy thread and move it here, I am sure most of us would appreciate it. It was a good thread with light hearted humor and some serious posts in it. It hurt noone, on the contrary, it brightened many people's day.

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I don't understand what prompted the pulling of the Puppies thread, but to be fair to Lady G, there has been a lot of complaining that GB posters didn't want threads from the How To moved here, so I think it is understandable that she didn't do so.

Once a moderator has removed a thread, they can't put it back. You'll have to ask Laurel to do that.

ruminator said:

I'm on the outside looking in and trying to understand. I read this thread first and then the HTC thread this one linked to.

Where is the disrespect of the subject or threadstarter?

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Those posts were deleted.

Queersetti said:

You'll have to ask Laurel to do that.

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Then PM her I shall.

History, courtesy of Pink Orchid

bad kitty 01-03-2005 10:25 PM
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Great question. I've noticed people with a lot of empathy often have low self esteem too. In my case, I can easily look at the strengths, weaknesses, and actions of others, and assess them accurately. But when it comes to looking at my own actions, I tend to automatically judge them as "wrong" or "not good enough." I hold myself to a higher standard, and judge myself harshly, yet am very sensitive, openminded, and empathetic with others. Perhaps it's because I know how horrible it feels and don't want to inflict that kind of pain on others.
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I am so with ya o this one.

Ok, so what are excercises to improve self esteem. What if you know you are a good person, do good things, help others out, love who you are on the inside, but the outside weighs at you so heavily that it diminishes the importance of the inside? Nothing anyone does or says can help. One has to overcome this on their own, but how? When you've tried everything you can to fix the problem and nothing works?

I have seen several discussions on this, and so many come forth that have good self esteem and noone can offer any advice on how to help the not so good self esteemers get on the right track.
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Originally posted by bad kitty
I am so with ya o this one.

I have seen several discussions on this, and so many come forth that have good self esteem and noone can offer any advice on how to help the not so good self esteemers get on the right track.
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My "Spidey senses" are tingling...

I do believe she's making fun of us.




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01-03-2005 10:43 PM

bad kitty
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Originally posted by zhukov1943
My "Spidey senses" are tingling...

I do believe she's making fun of us.
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Fuck off, it is a serious post. I think you got bit by the wrong spider.





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01-03-2005 10:48 PM

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Originally posted by zhukov1943
My "Spidey senses" are tingling...

I do believe she's making fun of us.
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I didn't read it that way. Is it possible you are being a little too sensitive?





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01-03-2005 10:48 PM

bad kitty
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I didn't read it that way. Is it possible you are being a little too sensitive?
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Yep. he saw I was from the horrid Gee Bee and ASSumed the worst, while patting himself on the back thinking he was smart. He was trolling.

Oh wait, that's right. GBers can't have in depth thoughtful discussions. :avery:





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01-03-2005 10:50 PM

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This is very interesting. How would you suggest helping someone with admitted low self esteem, without feeding their ego?
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When I'm feeling low it always makes me feel better to spend time with my close friends. I know they love me for the person I am and for what I bring to their lives, so I end up feeling great.

I don't know how much that would help someone with chronic low self-esteem, but it can't hurt to try.





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01-03-2005 10:51 PM

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Zhukov, more than a few of us who post mainly on other boards now either started off in HT or at least frequented them often. I know I did. I posted here for a solid year before venturing to other boards. Just because you are not familiar with us doesn't mean we are out to make fun of you or cause problems. I know as far as I am concerned, I'm just checking out the old 'hood and saying hi to some old friends.




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01-03-2005 10:52 PM

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I've noticed most of the people who appear to have high self-esteem actually feel the worst about themselves...they're simply good actors.
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OMG....that is so very true SweetErika!!! Those that are the loudest and most boisterous of themselves are in reality the ones with the least self esteem.

People that don't "toot their own horn" don't need to tell everyone how wonderful they are......actions speak louder than words!

And I think there is some happy balance between the supportive vs. abusive family situation....by no means is abuse right...at all! What I mean is that it isn't healthy to be overly supportive or coddle your children just as it isn't healthy to abuse your children. However, coming from a family that was far from being supportive, I have a VERY difficult time with my own self esteem. I just keep on trudging but, I always doubt myself and many times my own self doubt gets the best of me

I am a work in progress...





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01-03-2005 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by bad kitty
I am so with ya o this one.

Ok, so what are excercises to improve self esteem. What if you know you are a good person, do good things, help others out, love who you are on the inside, but the outside weighs at you so heavily that it diminishes the importance of the inside? Nothing anyone does or says can help. One has to overcome this on their own, but how? When you've tried everything you can to fix the problem and nothing works?

I have seen several discussions on this, and so many come forth that have good self esteem and noone can offer any advice on how to help the not so good self esteemers get on the right track.
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It requires a paradigm shift in your head. If you're a good person and know it, the only thing you need to change is your perspective to truly believe it, but that's the hardest thing of all.

You start slowly. Become conscious of all the negative things you say to yourself throughout the day and start shutting off those thoughts when they happen. Consciously remember to tell yourself nice things, even if it's something silly...hey, that was the best fucking parallel parking on a hill ever! I'm gooood!

Spend less time with people who make you feel bad about yourself or who feel bad about themselves and dwell on their failings and bad luck and dramas and whatnot all the time. Spend more time with people who care about you and make you laugh.

Take time to celebrate a little when you've accomplished a small goal. Pamper yourself regularly with a bubble bath or a walk in your favorite park or a new book - give yourself the things you enjoy. Treat yourself well and remember that everone is a work in progress.





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01-03-2005 11:10 PM

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It requires a paradigm shift in your head. If you're a good person and know it, the only thing you need to change is your perspective to truly believe it, but that's the hardest thing of all.

You start slowly. Become conscious of all the negative things you say to yourself throughout the day and start shutting off those thoughts when they happen. Consciously remember to tell yourself nice things, even if it's something silly...hey, that was the best fucking parallel parking on a hill ever! I'm gooood!

Spend less time with people who make you feel bad about yourself or who feel bad about themselves and dwell on their failings and bad luck and dramas and whatnot all the time. Spend more time with people who care about you and make you laugh.

Take time to celebrate a little when you've accomplished a small goal. Pamper yourself regularly with a bubble bath or a walk in your favorite park or a new book - give yourself the things you enjoy. Treat yourself well and remember that everone is a work in progress.
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But what if it isn't others making you feel bad about yourself. Say, you honestly take no account of what anyone else tells you, be it good or bad. What if your outward appearance upset you so bad that you hide from mirrors? What if it you lvoe absolutely everything about yourself, except your body, and as I said before, you had done everything you could to improve it, all with little to no results? How do you become happy with something you find so ugly? you know you have to convince yourself that it is at least acceptable, but you can't?





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01-03-2005 11:14 PM

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Yep. he saw I was from the horrid Gee Bee and ASSumed the worst, while patting himself on the back thinking he was smart. Oh wait, that's right. GBers can't have in depth thoughtful discussions. :avery:
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No, it was because while I was on the GB, I saw your post. You know - the one where you announced that back in the day when you gave a fuck about people, you used to hang out here, so you thought you'd be able to come in here and have some fun without anybody figuring out just what you were up to.

https://forum.literotica.com/...threadid=303411


"We may have to sneak in through the regular How To board, if we want to order java at the Cafe bar.

I used to frequent the HT way back when. I liked to help people, that's when I still gave a fuck. I think I can sneak in that way perdy good.

Meet ya back here at 0600 Zulu."

So, are you having fun yet?




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01-03-2005 11:19 PM

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But what if it isn't others making you feel bad about yourself. Say, you honestly take no account of what anyone else tells you, be it good or bad. What if your outward appearance upset you so bad that you hide from mirrors? What if it you lvoe absolutely everything about yourself, except your body, and as I said before, you had done everything you could to improve it, all with little to no results? How do you become happy with something you find so ugly? you know you have to convince yourself that it is at least acceptable, but you can't?
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My heart goes out to you. I don't know what that's like, so I can't begin to guess how to help.

If you don't like how your body looks, perhaps you can like how your body feels and the wonderful things it can do?





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01-03-2005 11:25 PM

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No, it was because while I was on the GB, I saw your post. You know - the one where you announced that back in the day when you gave a fuck about people, you used to hang out here, so you thought you'd be able to come in here and have some fun without anybody figuring out just what you were up to.

https://forum.literotica.com/...threadid=303411


"We may have to sneak in through the regular How To board, if we want to order java at the Cafe bar.

I used to frequent the HT way back when. I liked to help people, that's when I still gave a fuck. I think I can sneak in that way perdy good.

Meet ya back here at 0600 Zulu."

So, are you having fun yet?
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Heaven forbid a person speaks in jest. Do you honestly believe it isn't possible to have fun in one thread and be serious in another? It seems you posess the cold indifference that GBers have been accused of having.





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01-03-2005 11:28 PM

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So help me god, zhukov and BK, if your bickering causes LG to dump this thread on the GB, I'm going to be pissed.




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01-03-2005 11:30 PM

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So help me god, zhukov and BK, if your bickering causes LG to dump this thread on the GB, I'm going to be pissed.
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Hey! I'm the one being serious here. no shit.





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01-03-2005 11:33 PM

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Heaven forbid a person speaks in jest. Do you honestly believe it isn't possible to have fun in one thread and be serious in another? It seems you posess the cold indifference that GBers have been accused of having.
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Jest? Yeah, that must be it. Color me overly suspicious - but after Never's Dada bullshit and Killswitch's outright trolling (fucking with a woman who's looking for advice for her husband's ED problem is pretty damn low)...





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01-03-2005 11:34 PM

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Jest? Yeah, that must be it. Color me overly suspicious - but after Never's Dada bullshit and Killswitch's outright trolling (fucking with a woman who's looking for advice for her husband's ED problem is pretty damn low)...
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That's like saying all catholics are pedophiles because a few priests are caught with the altar boys.





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01-03-2005 11:37 PM

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Jest? Yeah, that must be it. Color me overly suspicious - but after Never's Dada bullshit and Killswitch's outright trolling (fucking with a woman who's looking for advice for her husband's ED problem is pretty damn low)...
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Bring it over to the home stretch if you wanna take me on lil boy, this isn't the place for it.

FTR I'm not gonna base all HTers on being like you and a select other few, so maybe you shouldn't be doing it to me.





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01-03-2005 11:41 PM

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FTR I'm not gonna base all HTers on being like you and a select other few, so maybe you shouldn't be doing it to me.
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I'm basing my opinion of you on the above GB thread where you're giggling with your buddy Byron about how much fun this board invasion is gonna be.

Puh-lease, miss 'butter wouldn't melt in my mouth'...

You play nice in here, I have absolutely no problem with you. Really. On your home board, you play whatever games you wanna play - fuck with people asking serious questions - hell, fuck with people who are upset about a death in their family. But don't do that HERE.





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01-03-2005 11:47 PM

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Zhukov, I really do think you are overreacting. BK can be a bitch when provoked, but she's certainly not the manipulative cunt you are suggesting here.

Perhaps you would consider that you have misread one or two things in this thread and the other that lead you to this conclusion?

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Thanks, Q.

.....After Further Review.....

I think a more productive solution would be for the Mod to step in and somehow stop the action without deleting all of the posts and content.

It could be a great learning experience for everyone and future posters, but not if they just disappear.