Bitch is a stupid word.

Bitch is such a vague word. It's used to mean pretty much any undesirable behavior of a female- or a male who acts too much like a woman.

I mean, some bitches i really like. And thay aren'y just "assertive" they are real bitches- strong, oppinionated, dificult forcefull and often unpleasant.

And then there are 'bitches' like when your mother in law sabatoges your marriage or your neigbor calls child servives to 'get even' (these examples are taken from my soap opera in case your wondering- but they do happen.)

Basically a woman is a bitch when she does anything you don't like. And women are as guilty of using this term as men are- if not more so.

I think it would be cool if somebody put out a dictionary of just adjectives, so we could all learn more acurate ways of describing and insulting each other

Ok, so that's not particularly controversial, but what do you all think?

no comment?

Sweet, rather than dispose of "bitch" or come up with prurient synonyms, I suggest improving one's vocabulary (and hopefully one's readers).

Here are synonyms found for "bitch" and "son of a bitch", in no particular order:

a lewd or immoral woman, a malicious, spiteful, or domineering woman; bastard, blackguard, heel, knave, lowlife, miscreant, rascal, rogue, scoundrel, meanie; evildoer, offender, sinner; criminal, malefactor, devil, enfant terrible, limb, mischief, rapscallion, rascal, rogue, scalawag, skeezicks, devil, enfant terrible, limb, mischief, pixie, rapscallion, rascal, ribald, rogue, scalawag, skeezicks, slyboots, villain.

One may then look up synonyms for these words and choose the best one for the context.

Perdita

*BITCH*

Bitch is such a vague word.

Bitch is not a vague or stupid word to a dog breeder. Otherwise, I tend to agree with you. I don't know when I have ever called someone a bitch, although I have probably done so at some time in my life. Being cognizant of my own many failings, I am reluctant to point out those of others even though I may be aware of them.

I kind of like the word. Has a meaning, I think that most know exactly how it is being used by tone, reference. Gave some examples below from some real authors. What do I know sweety? I'm just "Bitching", "Bitch 'n". Son of a bitch, I don't know what I mean.


bitch
Pronunciation: bĭch
Noun 1. bitch - an unpleasant difficulty; "this problem is a real bitch"
jargon, lingo, patois, argot, vernacular, slang, cant - a characteristic language of a particular group (as among thieves); "they don't speak our lingo"
difficulty - a condition or state of affairs almost beyond one's ability to deal with and requiring great effort to bear or overcome; "grappling with financial difficulties"
2. bitch - a woman who is thoroughly disliked; "she said her son thought Hilary was a bitch"
cunt
disagreeable woman, unpleasant woman - a woman who is an unpleasant person
3. bitch - informal terms for objecting; "I have a gripe about the service here"
gripe, squawk, beef, kick
objection - the speech act of objecting
4. bitch - female of any member of the dog family
canid, canine - any of various fissiped mammals with nonretractile claws and typically long muzzles
brood bitch - a bitch used for breeding
Verb 1. bitch - say mean things
backbite
kvetch, plain, quetch, complain, sound off, kick - express complaints, discontent, displeasure, or unhappiness; "My mother complains all day"; "She has a lot to kick about"

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Does not every man let his life be managed for him by some bitch or an- other?
Winesberg, Ohio by Anderson, Sherwood
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His heart growled within him, and as a bitch with puppies growls and shows her teeth when she sees a stranger, so did his heart growl with anger at the evil deeds that were being done: but he beat his breast and said, "Heart, be still, you had worse than this to bear on the day when the terrible Cyclops ate your brave companions; yet you bore it in silence till your cunning got you safe out of the cave, though you made sure of being killed.
The Odyssey by Homer
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"Then by all that's good," said Don Quixote (now stirred to wrath), "Don son of a bitch, Don Ginesillo de Paropillo, or whatever your name is, you will have to go yourself alone, with your tail between your legs and the whole chain on your back.
Don Quixote by Cervantes, Miguel

Bitch, much like sorry and please has lost most of it's meaning. It is no longer shocking or even particularly bad. People call themselves bitches and mean it. I use the word only sparingly in my stories. It is usually used when one person describes a person they don't like or as a title for a femme lesbian when used by a particularly butch character.

In real life I use it almost not at all, prefering more descriptive words when I am moved to curse someone

-Colly

Would you prefer we said 'cunt' instead?

I usually shake my head if the person in question is just a side-issue to the topic at hand. The word does pass my lips on occassion. I don't feel any better or worse when it does. Seeing as my readied spoken vocabulary is limited, I might take a page from Pedrita's suggestions book.

Pixie? Pixie?!?

Originally posted by perdita
Sweet, rather than dispose of "bitch" or come up with prurient synonyms, I suggest improving one's vocabulary (and hopefully one's readers).

Here are synonyms found for "bitch" and "son of a bitch", in no particular order:

a lewd or immoral woman, a malicious, spiteful, or domineering woman; bastard, blackguard, heel, knave, lowlife, miscreant, rascal, rogue, scoundrel, meanie; evildoer, offender, sinner; criminal, malefactor, devil, enfant terrible, limb, mischief, rapscallion, rascal, rogue, scalawag, skeezicks, devil, enfant terrible, limb, mischief, pixie, rapscallion, rascal, ribald, rogue, scalawag, skeezicks, slyboots, villain.

One may then look up synonyms for these words and choose the best one for the context.

Perdita

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According to what BITCH has to say on the subject of bitches, I must be a bitch as well as a slut, eh. LOL Don't ya just love words that make people point you out in a crowd.

DS

SummerMorning said:

Pixie? Pixie?!?

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Thought exaclythe same thing. Pixies are adorable.

sweetnpetite said:

Ok, so that's not particularly controversial, but what do you all think?

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I think you take it too seriously. A lot of words are like that. A man can be a "bastard" when he's an asshole, he can also be a "bastard" when he's lucky or smart too. "Bitch" is a convenient pejorative for any woman who's too assertive or aggresive for someone's tastes. It can also be a positive description for a woman who is especially sexually desirable or skilled.

I'm always surprised at how seriously a lot of women take these names. If, in the heat of passion, a woman calls me a bastard or a son-of-a-bitch or even a mother-fucker, I wouldn't take it literally or as a disparagement. (On the other hand, if she called me a cock-sucker it might give me pause. Wouldn't make me stop, but it would give me pause.) Why is it that some women resent these words in spite of the contextual clues that clearly show that the word's not intended literally?

---dr.M.

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Originally posted by dr_mabeuse
I think you take it too seriously. A lot of words are like that. A man can be a "bastard" when he's an asshole, he can also be a "bastard" when he's lucky or smart too. "Bitch" is a convenient pejorative for any woman who's too assertive or aggresive for someone's tastes. It can also be a positive description for a woman who is especially sexually desirable or skilled.

I'm always surprised at how seriously a lot of women take these names. If, in the heat of passion, a woman calls me a bastard or a son-of-a-bitch or even a mother-fucker, I wouldn't take it literally or as a disparagement. (On the other hand, if she called me a cock-sucker it might give me pause. Wouldn't make me stop, but it would give me pause.) Why is it that some women resent these words in spite of the contextual clues that clearly show that the word's not intended literally?

---dr.M.

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I note that you said you take pause when called a cock-sucker. It is no different for me when I am called a bitch, a slut, or a whore by the very man that I am making love with. You see, it is just a matter of perception Dr. M. It would never make me pause to be called a cock-sucker. After all, I am. And certainly, at certain times I can be very sluty, bitchie, or whorish in nature, but that doesn't mean that I am one, does it? And that's all that we are saying here. It is just a matter of perceptions.

DS

Nothing wrong with the word bitch in my opinion. I am one on occasion.
And I prefer being a bitch to being a doormat any day.

Originally posted by Black Tulip
Nothing wrong with the word bitch in my opinion. I am one on occasion.
And I prefer being a bitch to being a doormat any day.

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Can I hear an AMEN?!

DS

Re: Re: Bitch is a stupid word.

I think you misread me.


It is not about personal offense. I am actually all for the word *bitch* in the sense that I think woman *should* be bitches (as opposed to doormats) I dont think that we should always soften our message and make it pleasing (you should probably know that about me by now)

I just think it's a stupid word because it basicly means *anything* that a woman does that is disapproved of. It's a stupid word from a literary point of view because it's too vague. If a woman doesn't let you by cigaretts without your id, she's a bitch, if she harrases you about the housework, she's a bitch, if she tells your son that there is no such thing as santa clause, she's a bitch. Rebacca Demorne in 'the hand that rocks the cradle" was a bitch. Obviously, all of these women do not diserve to be in the same category.

I really was refering to my own usuage of the word, though rare, I have decided that it's just to imprecice to ambiguous and to all encompacing. In most cases, its just a poor choice.

dr_mabeuse said:

I think you take it too seriously. A lot of words are like that. A man can be a "bastard" when he's an asshole, he can also be a "bastard" when he's lucky or smart too. "Bitch" is a convenient pejorative for any woman who's too assertive or aggresive for someone's tastes. It can also be a positive description for a woman who is especially sexually desirable or skilled.

I'm always surprised at how seriously a lot of women take these names. If, in the heat of passion, a woman calls me a bastard or a son-of-a-bitch or even a mother-fucker, I wouldn't take it literally or as a disparagement. (On the other hand, if she called me a cock-sucker it might give me pause. Wouldn't make me stop, but it would give me pause.) Why is it that some women resent these words in spite of the contextual clues that clearly show that the word's not intended literally?

---dr.M.

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sweetnpetite said:

Bitch is such a vague word.
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Vague?

It's use is clear and strikingly pejorative.

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Vague?

It's use is clear and strikingly pejorative.

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If you read my *whole* post, you will understand what I meant by that.

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sweetnpetite said:

If you read my *whole* post, you will understand what I meant by that.

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I did.

I disagree.

Basically a woman is a bitch when she does *anything* you don't like.

That's not very specific.

sweetnpetite said:

Basically a woman is a bitch when she does *anything* you don't like.

That's not very specific.

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Not me, sweetnpetite.

I have many other words at the ready in my vocabulary to specifically address my dislike about a person or a subject.

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Not me, sweetnpetite.

I have many other words at the ready in my vocabulary to specifically address my dislike about a person or a subject.

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By you, I don't mean *you* Manx, I mean you in the universal sense. Anytime a woman does something that another person doesn't approve of or agree with, they could concievably refer to her as a 'bitch.' That's why some bitches are the bomb, and some are just evil. And some are lonely cold and bitter. Every bitch is unique in her own special bitchy way.

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By you, I don't mean *you* Manx, I mean you in the universal sense. Anytime a woman does something that another person doesn't approve of or agree with, they could concievably refer to her as a 'bitch.' That's why some bitches are the bomb, and some are just evil. And some are lonely cold and bitter. Every bitch is unique in her own special bitchy way.

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Universal = generalizing?

There are some of us, hon, in the male species, possibly in a minority, that don't use or care for the word.

Bitch, bitch ,bitch, bitch!

Hi, bitch!

Your bitch'n. Well, I'll be a son of a bitch. It is a bitch trying to get bitch in the right context.

Sorry, I was just fooling around. Not meant for any bitch in particular.

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Bitch, bitch ,bitch, bitch!

Hi, bitch!

Your bitch'n. Well, I'll be a son of a bitch. It is a bitch trying to get bitch in the right context.

Sorry, I was just fooling around. Not meant for any bitch in particular.

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Phil is not one of those in the minority.