Hardcore porn for women

I'm thinking about puting together somekind of zine or something deeling with porn for (and by) women who like porn. Other than lit, it seems like all the porn stores, movies, websites magazines ect. are aimed at men exclusively or are softer, like women only fantisize about buble baths, roses and UPS men. (hey not that we don't- but some of us like the harder stuff)

I'm puting out feelers to see what kind of interest is out there as far as readership, participation, resourses, ect.

what do you all this idea? I mentioned it on my bio page and a reader emailed me and suggested I start something up.

sweetnpetite said:

... Other than lit, it seems like all the porn stores, movies, websites magazines ect. are aimed at men exclusively or are softer ...

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There are several publishers who do porn for women by women.

I really like this idea. I am sure there are people out there who do this already, but I am not aware of them and I would imagine there is room for competition. I agree with you that while we do have our soft and romantic side, there are women who like hardcore too (like me)...

I don't know how you go about starting this up, but I am sure you would have a good following to start with... especially with Lit women.

*waves hands* Yes, I like the hardcore porn, too! I'd definitely take a look at something like this.

*waves hand* I'd be very interested! hardcore porn stuff does it for me and hey i might even be able to write a bit of it*L* I have a few "stroke" stories in my repetoire already

I think it's a great ideam Snp

You might check out some of the publishers that already do this:

Marcy Sheiner has written more than a dozen erotica novels and she's the editor of the very popular Herotica anthologies.

For more than ten years, Black Lace Books has been publishing erotic novels written by women for women. I know one author in my BDSM writer's group here in Seattle that recently had two novels accepted by Black Lace for publication.

Nest O' Vipers is another publisher that caters exclusively to the female demographic.

Wicked Velvet is another.

Ellanora's Cave is another.

Lizbeth Dusseau, at Pink Flamingo wrote several novels for Black Lace, Blue Moon, and Circlet before starting her own publishing company. I have a special fondness for Liz, as she's published several of my stories in her anthologies.

I'm ignorant about porn, never interested me that much. Would someone tell me what "hard porn" is. My take is that in film it means close-ups of genitals and cumming, etc., vs. what divides it from soft porn; but is that it? What else might you add to what makes up good hard porn? I really have no idea.

I know that in the past decade or so there have been more porn films made by women for women (from the female pov vs. a dick's is how I understand it), and I am interested in seeing them but haven't had the time to find out the good titles.

Thanks, Perdita

Same as Perdita, I'm not sure about hard porn.

But I do know I would be interested in a magazine for women.

Seems to me most stuff is pictures, at least that I know off. And I am more into stories. Surprise isn't it?

Maybe I have to go digging again, those publishers Zack mentioned: never heard of.


Off to the wicked city of Amsterdam, or somewhere else.

sweetnpetite said:

I'm thinking about puting together somekind of zine or something deeling with porn for (and by) women who like porn. Other than lit, it seems like all the porn stores, movies, websites magazines ect. are aimed at men exclusively or are softer, like women only fantisize about buble baths, roses and UPS men. (hey not that we don't- but some of us like the harder stuff)

I'm puting out feelers to see what kind of interest is out there as far as readership, participation, resourses, ect.

what do you all this idea? I mentioned it on my bio page and a reader emailed me and suggested I start something up.

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Um, don't we already do that here at lit? Obviously you haven't read any of my stories. LOL

DS

Woo-hoo Black Lace!


I love reading but I wanna see some PICTURES and VIDEOS dammit!

Yes, SnP I'd be very interested.


Candida Royalle has a line of videos - Femme - that is hardcore porn from the female mind. I've only ever seen one of them and it didn't do a whole lot for me. Of course, this was years ago and she's since won several AVN awards for her films. I'd like to check out some of her other titles but the only way I've seen to get hold of them is to order them from Adam & Eve and they're a bit expensive for a trial run, in my opinion.

UrentDVD.com doesn't carry any of them.

-B

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Dirty Slut said:

Obviously you haven't read any of my stories. LOL
DS

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I corrected that omission. Glad I did.

Wiil I get shot if I say that I like the hardcore porn already supposedly supplied 'just for men'?

Yes?

Oh well, I said it anyway.

Lou, loves the ladies, too.

You're right lou, the lines are pretty blurred. perhaps the only thing that might mark some of the porn for women is that there's actually a story.

By the way, SnP, another 'take' is for women to write for whomever, as, say Susannah Indigo. Some of those folks are at
www.cleansheets.com which is an *excellent site.

But, SnP, though i'm not involved, you have my support.

J.

Hmm... I've seen a few hardcore porn sites for women. Don't remember where... but I've seen them around.

They mostly constitute as cunnilingus sites though or some other things.

Frankly I like to see penetration. I get bored watching oral sex of either variety. It always goes on too long and I get empathetic jaw ache or I'm critiquing the technique and wondering why he hasn't managed to get the woman off yet. I could, however, watch tits for days.



-B

perdita said:

I'm ignorant about porn, never interested me that much. Would someone tell me what "hard porn" is. My take is that in film it means close-ups of genitals and cumming, etc., vs. what divides it from soft porn; but is that it? What else might you add to what makes up good hard porn? I really have no idea.

I know that in the past decade or so there have been more porn films made by women for women (from the female pov vs. a dick's is how I understand it), and I am interested in seeing them but haven't had the time to find out the good titles.

Thanks, Perdita

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Hardcore is when erect male genetalia and insertion is shown (whether mouth, ass or pussy). The sex on screen is real and cannot be faked. Invariably ends in a moneyshot

Softcore is when no male genetalia or insertion is shown (used to be no female genetalia either, but the lines are more blurred now) and the sex on-screen is implied. Invariably ends with shuddering and moaning.

Softcore is your standard hollywood sex scene with the temperature turned up a notch or two. Hardcore is the full shebang.

something deeling with porn for (and by) women who like porn

Porn for women is fine but why limit it to by women? What I write is intended for women, and I have gotten many compliments from women who get off on it. I used to email my stories to a large group of women and they really enjoyed them.

Up until the sixties, hardcore was strictly illegal and softcore porn was adults only such as Playboy or similar magazines and certain books that hinted around but never got really down and dirty. Softcore was limited to breasts and buttocks and maybe a hint of pubic hair. Using the same criteria, softcore would be your average dirty movie or book, etc. and hardcore would be illegal stuff like kiddie porn and sometimes beastiality. That is not how things are described though and hardcore usually means visible penetration and softcore is everything up to that. That would be movies or photos. The distinction of written is harder to pinpoint. I suppose "We fucked" would be hardcore "We had sex" would be softcore.

Pure said:

You're right lou, the lines are pretty blurred. perhaps the only thing that might mark some of the porn for women is that there's actually a story.

By the way, SnP, another 'take' is for women to write for whomever, as, say Susannah Indigo. Some of those folks are at
www.cleansheets.com which is an *excellent site.

But, SnP, though i'm not involved, you have my support.

J.

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Nope, the story is not the qualifying factor.

It's kind of difficult to explain, so I'll try to give some examples.

a very good free site, sublime thumbs, was being visited by one Ms. Sweetnpetite the other day. On a whim I went to the 'gay men' section and what do you know, it's the only place where you find pictures of naked men alone- not neccesarrily in 'gay' poses or with other men. Obviously this assumes that only men are visiting this site (bc a straight man is not interested in seeing a naked man standing alone.) If the site where aimed at woman (or even men and women) naked men would be listed under "naked men" not "gay male" gay male category would have at least two men in the photo, probably doing something 'gay' lilke touching, kissing, fondling, sex or whatever.

Another example. I love Penthouse forum letters- BUT a lot of them are written by men and most are at least written *for* a male audience. Guess who's pleasure is the focus? IN stories and written by men, out of there fantasies, a woman reading a story can very often say- that would never work- it doesn't happen that way or whatever. It could be something technicle or just something like "she was a virgin but she dropped to her knees and gave head like a pro" or whatever. Ok, I suppose there are slutty virgins somewhere- and now there's this thing about oral sex being ok because it's not 'real sex' but most women (not middle school aged girls, but grown women) that I know consider oral sex to be a *bigger deal* than sex, not less of one. Most of us feel we have to be more comfortable with a guy to put it in our mouths than to put it in our vaginas.

Now I will admit, I've written some silly things where the virginal girl suddenly turns into a whore- and I sometimes enjoy it in stories I read(although not when someone is claiming, "it really happend just this way"). Here's the thing though. When I read a story like that by a woman, I know that it's just a fantasy, when I read a story by a guy it makes me think he doesn't know anyhing about women and has zero sexual skills (which is pretty much a turnoff) (Oh my god, does he really believe this???)

Then there's things like the captions (always assuming a male viewer) and any other text (welcome back Mr. _______ we have 200 hot new girls for you today) and the ads they show on the site (and spam you with later) 'Jenny236, enlarge your penis in just 5 minutes'

These may not seem like big things, and obviously they can be ignored, but would you like to go to your favorate sports bar to find pink table cloths and flowers on the table? They still have the big tv's and the beer, but it wouldn't be quite the same.

Finally, the most important thing would be the woman's pleasure- not just saying that she came- (nothing more than proof of how 'good' the man was) but her desire, pleasure, fantasy, lust ect. In many porn stories the woman is little more than a prop- which is not much of a turn on for the woman (unless that is her perticular fantasy)

So we need to focus on the pleasure of the female character (or model) as well as the female audience. I wouldn't say *all* woman, but speaking only for myself, I'm a little more picky about my porn than the average male. I want "glam" porn, not fuzzy shots, ugly girls, bad lighting ect. I want beautiful women (and men) with beautiful bodies, great hair, hot outfits, shoes, makeup, lighting, and photography. Just a glimpse of tit, in whatever form it appears is not enough for me. Woman are harder on other woman than men are in general so this is probably true in general. There's a joke that woman are more comfortable being naked in front of men because they know other women are judging them, whereas men are just greatful. So I guess the point here is that when it comes to porn- men are just to easy and women are harder to satisfy (as in life- we all knew that!!!)

perdita said:

I'm ignorant about porn, never interested me that much. Would someone tell me what "hard porn" is. My take is that in film it means close-ups of genitals and cumming, etc., vs. what divides it from soft porn; but is that it? What else might you add to what makes up good hard porn? I really have no idea.

I know that in the past decade or so there have been more porn films made by women for women (from the female pov vs. a dick's is how I understand it), and I am interested in seeing them but haven't had the time to find out the good titles.

Thanks, Perdita

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Hi perdita,

this may not be the exact definition, but when I say "hardcore" porn- I just mean the really nasty dirty filthy smuty stuff that nice girls arent supposed to like. Playgirl magazine takes a much softer approach, and to a lover of all things dirty and nasty, such as myself, an almost romantic one. Its a downright lie that women like "erotica" and men like Porn. (as all of us at lit are well aware)

I can read mens magazines and they turn me on *well enough* but they tend to focus on the man's pleasure (the woman's pleasure is mearly proof of his verility) The women often don't seem like active players (even the seductresses) so much as props. Sometimes it's subtle, sometimes obvious.

Thats a big part of why I started writing these stories- I started with a style very much like Penthouse forum, but with the females pleasure as the focus (mine of coures) I think that I've branched out a little, but my point is- I like smut as much as the next guy (ie, 'hardcore') but I want my pleasure to be taken into consideration

I hope this makes sence, I'm having a hard time putting my views abouthtis into worlds without an example of some kind.

Tatelou said:

Wiil I get shot if I say that I like the hardcore porn already supposedly supplied 'just for men'?

Yes?

Oh well, I said it anyway.

Lou, loves the ladies, too.

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No you won't get shot, I like it too. That's actually the type of porn that I'm talking about- but without the assumption that you are a man (ie, the ads would be for dildos rather than penis enlargement, no ads for 'nockout drops' or 'bag a babe' books, no women cumming just to prove that the man is good, but it's obvious in everyway that her needs are being satisfied. Stuff like that.) Sometimes it's as simple as being acknowleged as a paying costomer. (I just don't like it being assumed that I'm a guy when I go to a porn site, cuz I'm not) Give me the same smut- but lets acknowlege that girls can be dirty too. We want to get *ours* and that doesn't always mean candle light and bubble baths.

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Dirty Slut said:

Um, don't we already do that here at lit? Obviously you haven't read any of my stories. LOL

DS

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Yes, we have that here at lit. (just about the best site on the web-porn or otherwise) If I didn't we didn't have the writers and the audience for that sort of thing on lit, I wouldn't have wanted to post the idea here.

My idea is a more targeted and specific audience. Something like a newsletter or site where you know what you are going to get. At lit, there is a lot of variety (which is good) there is good and bad writing, there is male-centric, female-centric and equal opportunity, romance, hardcore, porn, erotica, and if you look hard enough you might even find *literature*

What I'm talking about is just plain old smut with a very specific under represented target audience.

It could even lead to more specific 'spin off' ideas. (ie, non-consent for women, Bondage fantasies for woman, crossdresser dreams for woman, gay male sex for woman to enjoy...)

sweetnpetite said:

No you won't get shot, I like it too. That's actually the type of porn that I'm talking about- but without the assumption that you are a man (ie, the ads would be for dildos rather than penis enlargement, no ads for 'nockout drops' or 'bag a babe' books, no women cumming just to prove that the man is good, but it's obvious in everyway that her needs are being satisfied. Stuff like that.) Sometimes it's as simple as being acknowleged as a paying costomer. (I just don't like it being assumed that I'm a guy when I go to a porn site, cuz I'm not) Give me the same smut- but lets acknowlege that girls can be dirty too. We want to get *ours* and that doesn't always mean candle light and bubble baths.

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Some very good points there, SnP, and I hadn't looked at it like that.

If you go for it let me know if there's anything I can do.

Lou

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Boxlicker101 said:

Porn for women is fine but why limit it to by women? What I write is intended for women, and I have gotten many compliments from women who get off on it. I used to email my stories to a large group of women and they really enjoyed them.

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I suppose we could have a token male written story occasionally

Of course you realize that male written stories would be held to a much higheer standard. You'd have to be twice as good to make it in what would be for all intents and purposed "a woman's world"

You'd have to be twice as good to make it in what would be for all

That seems a bit unfair, but my stories are eadily available for anybody who is interested. Take a look and see what you think. They are stroke material without no redeeming social qualities, except for stroking.