Experimenting with cock & ball torture…

… I noticed that balls turn dark blue when tied off really tight. This counts for other body parts as well... How far can you go before your health is at stake? (purple? black?)

Wolf

OUCH!!!

I had major shrinkage just reading that
Any discoloration is not healthy!!

The feeling is uncomfortable, but bearable. I have seen pictures of severely discoloured balls and tits, so it must be safe to some extent.

I'm curious about the answers that come in to this. I don't go in for discoloration, personally, but I'm often told I'm too nice to penisis and nuts in torment, and I'm looking for ways to get meaner and still be safe.

My training with all the Dominants I have known has been that discolouration is dangerous once it gets to the stage you are describing Wolf. Most opt for removal as soon as there is any discolouration beginning, or loss of feeling, loss of temperature in the body part, or severe pain. Is a safety issue. There are several references to safety in this on various sites from memory. (here is one which covers this issue and some other type hazards in play and bondage: http://www.slavestribute.com/BDSM-EZine/bdsm-articles/medical/bdsm-medical105.html ) Play safe and keep the dangly bits you are sort of attached to.

Catalina

Anything, even a finger, can turn blue or purple if you tie it off. Also the part becomes cooler or cold to the touch. I don't think that's an instant danger; venous blood is bluer.

I can't give a number, but I'd say measure it in minutes, not hours, say 5-10. There are postings by guys, on another site, who wish to effectively 'kill off' the gonads, and apparently a couple days'll do the trick. So, without researching it, but having tried a few, I'd say after 10 mins and before a few hours, there's going to be increasing damage; increasngly likely to be permanent. Living tissues need fresh red blood.

Btw, in terms of torture, prolonged tying off, like prolonged crushing, etc. generates numbness in short order. Hence sadism as well as prudence dictates loosening ties, relieving pressure, etc., periodically; in some cases the release itself hurts.

Best,
J.

Indeed I have noticed a change after about 10 minutes, when ‘uncomfortable’ becomes a painful throbbing. The release however I have found quite pleasurable and the numb feeling afterwards is very exciting. Pain does have a sweet reward...

Thanks for the advice.


Wolf

ok, here is your physiology lesson for the day from one of your friendly nurses

Let me put it to you this way. When the balls, or any other body part turns blue, it isn't because of venous blood in the area. It's because you aren't getting arterial blood in to nourish the tissues with oxygen and other nutrients. This means you have cut off circulation to that body part.

Bear with me. Because at first, this might not seem to answer your question. But what I'm going to say applies to your dangly bits or any other body part.

When we learn CPR, we are taught that after the heart has stopped beating for 10 minutes, (i.e., there is no circulation to the tissues), irreversable cell death occurs. This is in people who were healthy before their heart stopped. If they were sick, the cell death probably started sooner.

OK, so after 10 minutes of no circulation, you have the start of irreversible cell death and the resulting tissue damage. Now, I can imagine you saying to yourself: "Self, I've got lots of cells. I can stand to lose a few." Maybe you can. I don't know. But what if those cells that decide to die off are the nerve cells that give you all that wonderful sensation? Additionally, when the blood flow is restored, there is a release of all sorts of toxins that accumulate in those tissues as a result of not getting circulation. This release of toxins can make you ill.

If it were me, I'd err on the side of caution. If you insist on having parts bound until they turn blue, you would be well advised to limit that type of bondage to less than 10 minutes. If you have been diagnosed as having poor circulation, you either should consider not doing this at all, or cut the time by half.

Pay attention to your body. Changes in color and temperature indicate that the tissues are not getting what they need to survive, thrive and function properly.

You may be able to get away with walking on the edge with this for a while. Sooner or later, if you push it, you are quite likely to have a result that won't be pleasant.

I hope this rambling response made some sort of sense to you.

Jay Wiesman has done a wonderful job of researching this very issue in his book "BDSM 101".


I recently heard him speak in New Orleans this summer and basically he said exactly what Des was saying... blue for a long period of time is bad... it cause cells and tissue to die... less than 10 minutes for anything that causes the blood flow to stop is bad...

Just for the record, a safety check from the site Catalina suggested:

"In any bondage situation you want to check the flow of blood and do neuro checks every so often to insure the safety of the scene. Simply taking a few seconds to depress the fingernail and watch the skin beneath the nail blanch and then upon release return to a pink color. This capillary refill MUST occur in only a couple seconds otherwise you have the bindings too tight and are looking at nerve damage that can become permanent if something is not done to correct it."

Yes, checking capillary refill is a good way to monitor for safety. An old surgeon I used to work with said that a blanched area should fill back up in the time it takes to say "capillary refill".

Good posting Des. It seems there is agreement around times, dangers, etc, and your medical expertise is welcome.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think something 'tied off' turns dark blue or purple fairly soon.? Surely if it were just a lack of blood, the flesh would look whitish/pale; possibly very light blue.

Best,

J.

Pure said:

Good posting Des. It seems there is agreement around times, dangers, etc, and your medical expertise is welcome.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think something 'tied off' turns dark blue or purple fairly soon.? Surely if it were just a lack of blood, the flesh would look whitish/pale; possibly very light blue.

Best,

J.

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Not having any medical training in this I would only be guessing it was the pressure of the trapped blood in the veins. I know family members who have bad circulation who have this discolouration happen regularly and just presumed it was pressure on the vein walls or the lack of blood flow highlighted. White I would think would mean a true lack of blood which is not so in this instance as the blood is there, just not able to circulate.

Catalina

Thanks Pure. Catalina, you are pretty close to how it works.

Arterial blood is bright red because it's full of oxygen. After the cells use the oxygen, the blood turns a darker purple tinged red. This dark blood goes straight into the veins for return to the heart and lungs to pick up more oxygen.

In this bondage scenario, both the arterial and venous flow are blocked off. So, you have stagnant venous blood in the area and it causes the color change in the tissues. You get a white or pale, ashen color when you have no arterial flow and the venous blood is allowed to drain out.

PinkOrchid said:

I'd like to just add to Desdemiona's excellent explanation. After red blood cells bring oxygen to tissue, they pick up excess carbon dioxide. If the carbon dioxide is not removed from the tissue, it can change the acidity of the environment, which can kill cells just as easily as oxygen deprivation alone. In with the good, out with the bad .

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Thanks PinkOrchid. CO2 and the acids are some of the toxins I was alluding to.

Please call me des.