Spy Confirms Trump a Russian Asset for 40 Years

A Russian spy telling the truth? That goes against their training.
 
A Russian spy telling the truth? That goes against their training.


Welp, SKY PILOT finally exposed a real case of Russian disinformation and fell for it hook line and sinker. On hands and knees praying it's true! TDS exposed like a rabid dog bite.
 
I'd buy that they may have been manipulating him, but I don't think he's a knowing asset. He's too prone to blurting shit out without thinking it through, and that would make him a liability.
 
Similarly here. He's almost certainly groomed as an asset, but knowing agent, nope, not likely. Then most "spy work" may actually be just that. And as agent of chaos he's certainly had been useful. They felt him as "our guy" intensely.

Then, there's a saying, "there's no such thing as ex-KGB." The guy may be telling the truth, or a third order derivative of it, and it's probably more important what his current standing and interest is.
 
A Russian spy has confirmed what everyone should already have known--that Donald Trump is a Russian asset--that they began cultivating him as such in 1977. They've been working him for over 40 years.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...former-kgb-spy-says/ar-BB1dd1UA?ocid=msedgntp

This is how Russia does this sort of stuff...if it feels like it doesn't make sense that is actually a good way to assess something about Russian motivations and how they conduct their "grooming" and "setting up" of useful assets

On its face...it is hard to imagine why they would pick someone like Trump so long ago to focus on....this is exactly what they have been doing for hundreds of years.

The more absurd from a western stand point, the better! They train for this kind of stuff and absurdity plays into their agenda and has been successful for them many times.
 
I'd buy that they may have been manipulating him, but I don't think he's a knowing asset.

An asset definitely, evidenced by his conduct rather than any claim in a book. Not an agent of any sort; he lacks sufficient intelligence or strength of character. But very easily manipulated, even the merest sniff of personal financial advantage, this year, next year, sometime, never, would be enough to reel him in.

And of course a gigantic ego, incapable of realizing, let alone admitting he was being played.
 
I'd buy that they may have been manipulating him, but I don't think he's a knowing asset. He's too prone to blurting shit out without thinking it through, and that would make him a liability.

Useful idiot would be the fitting term.
 
An asset definitely, evidenced by his conduct rather than any claim in a book. Not an agent of any sort; he lacks sufficient intelligence or strength of character. But very easily manipulated, even the merest sniff of personal financial advantage, this year, next year, sometime, never, would be enough to reel him in.


How so? :confused:

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/19/25-times-trump-has-been-dangerously-hawkish-on-russia/

1. Implementing a Nuclear Posture Review with a more aggressive stance toward Russia

Last year Trump’s Department of Defense rolled out a Nuclear Posture Review which CNN itself called “its toughest line yet against Russia’s resurgent nuclear forces.”

“In its newly released Nuclear Posture Review, the Defense Department has focused much of its multibillion nuclear effort on an updated nuclear deterrence focused on Russia,” CNN reported last year.

This revision of nuclear policy includes the new implementation of “low-yield” nuclear weapons, which, because they are designed to be more “usable” than conventional nuclear ordinances, have been called “the most dangerous weapon ever” by critics of this insane policy. These weapons, which can remove some of the inhibitions that mutually assured destruction would normally give military commanders, have already been rolled off the assembly line.

2. Arming Ukraine

Lost in the gibberish about Trump temporarily withholding military aide to supposedly pressure a Ukrainian government who was never even aware of being pressured is the fact that arming Ukraine against Russia is an entirely new policy that was introduced by the Trump administration in the first place. Even the Obama administration, which was plenty hawkish toward Russia in its own right, refused to implement this extremely provocative escalation against Moscow. It was not until Obama was replaced with the worst Putin puppet of all time that this policy was put in place.

3. Bombing Syria

Another escalation Trump took against Russia which Obama wasn’t hawkish enough to also do was bombing the Syrian government, a longtime ally of Moscow. These airstrikes in April 2017 and April 2018 were perpetrated in retaliation for chemical weapons use allegations that there is no legitimate reason to trust at this point.

4. Staging coup attempts in Venezuela

“Signals coming from certain capitals indicating the possibility of external military interference look particularly disquieting,” the Russian Foreign Ministry said. “We warn against such reckless actions, which threaten catastrophic consequences.”

5. Withdrawing from the INF treaty

For a president who’s “soft” on Russia, Trump has sure been eager to keep postures between the two nations extremely aggressive in nature. This administration has withdrawn from the 1987 Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty, prompting UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres to declare that “the world lost an invaluable brake on nuclear war.” It appears entirely possible that Trump will continue to adhere to the John Bolton school of nuclear weapons treaties until they all lie in tatters, with the administration strongly criticizing the crucial New START Treaty which expires in early 2021.

Some particularly demented Russiagaters try to argue that Trump withdrawing from these treaties benefits Russia in some way. These people either (A) believe that treaties only go one way, (B) believe that a nation with an economy the size of South Korea can compete with the U.S. in an arms race, (C) believe that Russians are immune to nuclear radiation, or (D) all of the above. Withdrawing from these treaties benefits no one but the military-industrial complex.

6. Ending the Open Skies Treaty

“The Trump administration has taken steps toward leaving a nearly three-decade-old agreement designed to reduce the risk of war between Russia and the West by allowing both sides to conduct reconnaissance flights over one another’s territories,” The Wall Street Journal reported last month, adding that the administration has alleged that “Russia has interfered with American monitoring flights while using its missions to gather intelligence in the US.”

Again, if you subscribe to the bizarre belief that withdrawing from this treaty benefits Russia, please think harder. Or ask the Russians themselves how they feel about it:

“US plans to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty lower the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons and multiply the risks for the whole world, Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev said,” Sputnik reports.

“All this negatively affects the predictability of the military-strategic situation and lowers the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons, which drastically increases the risks for the whole humanity,” Patrushev said.

7. Selling Patriot missiles to Poland

8. Occupying Syrian oil fields

9. Killing Russians in Syria
Reports have placed Russian casualties anywhere between a handful and hundreds, but whatever the exact number the U.S. military is known to have killed Russian citizens as part of the Trump administration’s ongoing Syria occupation in an altercation last year.

10. Tanks in Estonia

11. War ships in the Black Sea

12. Sanctions: Trump approved new sanctions against Russia on August 2017. CNN reports the following:

“US President Donald Trump approved fresh sanctions on Russia Wednesday after Congress showed overwhelming bipartisan support for the new measures,” CNN reported at the time. “Congress passed the bill last week in response to Russia’s interference in the 2016 US election, as well as its human rights violations, annexation of Crimea and military operations in eastern Ukraine. The bill’s passage drew ire from Moscow — which responded by stripping 755 staff members and two properties from US missions in the country — all but crushing any hope for the reset in US-Russian relations that Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin had called for.”

13. More sanctions

14. Still more sanctions

“Trump just hit Russian oligarchs with the most aggressive sanctions yet,” reads aVice headline from April of last year.

15. Even more sanctions
The Trump administration hit Russia with more sanctions for the alleged Skripal poisoning in August of last year, then hit them with another round of sanctions for the same reason again in August of this year.

16. Guess what? MORE sanctions

“The Trump administration on Thursday imposed new sanctions on a dozen individuals and entities in response to Russia’s annexation of Crimea,” The Hill reported in November of last year. “The group includes a company linked to Bank Rossiya and Russian businessman Yuri Kovalchuk and others accused of operating in Crimea, which the U.S. says Russia seized illegally in 2014.”

17. Oh hey, more sanctions

“Today, the United States continues to take action in response to Russian attempts to influence US democratic processes by imposing sanctions on four entities and seven individuals associated with the Internet Research Agency and its financier, Yevgeniy Prigozhin. This action increases pressure on Prigozhin by targeting his luxury assets, including three aircraft and a vessel,” reads a statement by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo from September of this year.

18. Secondary sanctions

Secondary sanctions are economic sanctions in which a third party is punished for breaching the primary sanctions of the sanctioning body. The U.S. has leveled sanctions against both China and Turkey for purchasing Russian S-400 air defense missiles, and it is threatening to do so to India as well.

19. Forcing Russian media to register as foreign agents

Both RT and Sputnik have been forced to register as “foreign agents” by the Trump administration. This classification forced the outlets to post a disclaimer on content, to report their activities and funding sources to the Department of Justice twice a year, and could arguably place an unrealistic burden on all their social media activities as it submits to DOJ micromanagement.

20. Throwing out Russian diplomats

21. Training Polish and Latvian fighters “to resist Russian aggression”

22. Refusal to recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation

…even while acknowledging Israel’s illegal annexation of the Golan Heights as perfectly legal and legitimate.

23. Sending 1,000 troops to Poland

From the September article “1000 US Troops Are Headed to Poland” by National Interest:

24. Withdrawing from the Iran deal

Russia has been consistently opposed to Trump’s destruction of the JCPOA. In a statement after Trump killed the deal, the Russian Foreign Ministry said it was “deeply disappointed by the decision of US President Donald Trump to unilaterally refuse to carry out commitments under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action”, adding that this administration’s actions were “trampling on the norms of international law”.

25. Attacking Russian gas interests

Trump has been threatening Germany with sanctions and troop withdrawal if it continues to support a gas pipeline from Russia called Nord Stream 2.



Joe Biden pushing hard to re-enter the US in a lopsided START treaty knowing full well it places no restrictions on China along with both Russia and China have a decisive advantage in tactical short range nukes.
 
Not just Trump, the whole damned Party

Hell, the entire Republican Party has become a Russian asset, through their denigration of the American electoral system and their appeasement of white nationalist groups, all of which results in chaos and internal conflict that is so favorable to Russian propaganda.

Trump has been an extremely valuable Russian asset, because he dragged an entire political party along with him. The Republicans are now openly working against democracy in America-- it don't get much better than that for Russian intelligence efforts.
 
Hell, the entire Republican Party has become a Russian asset, through their denigration of the American electoral system and their appeasement of white nationalist groups, all of which results in chaos and internal conflict that is so favorable to Russian propaganda.

Trump has been an extremely valuable Russian asset, because he dragged an entire political party along with him. The Republicans are now openly working against democracy in America-- it don't get much better than that for Russian intelligence efforts.

Totally agree...Donald was a easy target for Russian's. He's Putin's puppet.
 
Hell, the entire Republican Party has become a Russian asset, through their denigration of the American electoral system and their appeasement of white nationalist groups, all of which results in chaos and internal conflict that is so favorable to Russian propaganda.

Trump has been an extremely valuable Russian asset, because he dragged an entire political party along with him. The Republicans are now openly working against democracy in America-- it don't get much better than that for Russian intelligence efforts.

Well maybe democrats should stop trying to use democracy as a cudgel to force a bunch of shit onto people who don't want it, like a bunch of asshole control freaks.

Oh naaah...that would be so not Karen you'd never consider "live and let live"...way too much freeDUMB for you. :)

Comrade Coati is upset that Republicans are standing up to his preferred brand of control freak totalitarianism. I'll weep.

I the mean time...viva le Trump bitches!!! If not him, a surrogate.
 
Bin Laden understood, the only way to destroy the US was from the inside out...by seeding the us vs them mentality. This is the only way the Constitution can be rotted. Putin saw the success Bin Laden had....yes...Bin Laden beat us...and only those in denial will say otherwise...and built a better method, using social media sowing disinformation.

Donald is too stupid to know he was used. But used he was. And the majority of Republicans are still being used.
 
Hell, the entire Republican Party has become a Russian asset, through their denigration of the American electoral system and their appeasement of white nationalist groups, all of which results in chaos and internal conflict that is so favorable to Russian propaganda.

Trump has been an extremely valuable Russian asset, because he dragged an entire political party along with him. The Republicans are now openly working against democracy in America-- it don't get much better than that for Russian intelligence efforts.


Here's another slap to Putin's face> Trump was the toughest president when dealing with Putin. Willful ignorance/ TDS/ orange man bad doesn't make Trump a Russian bot. LMFAO!


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...d-to-kill-scores-of-russian-fighters-in-syria

MOSCOW – U.S. forces killed scores of Russian contract soldiers in Syria last week in what may be the deadliest clash between citizens of the former foes since the Cold War, according to a U.S. official and three Russians familiar with the matter.

More than 200 mercenaries, mostly Russians fighting on behalf of Syrian leader Bashar Assad, died in a failed attack on a base and refinery held by U.S. and U.S.-backed forces in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region, two of the Russians said. The U.S. official put the death toll at about 100, with 200 to 300 injured.
 
Just look at how Trump let Russia seize Crimea in 2014. That's all the proof you need that the president was sucking up to Putin, that he was a weak-ass toadie, a shameful coward on the international stage.
 
I'd buy that they may have been manipulating him, but I don't think he's a knowing asset. He's too prone to blurting shit out without thinking it through, and that would make him a liability.

"Asset" points to a difference between that and "agent." An asset doesn't have to know they are being used and employed and they don't have to be any part of the planning and managing of an operation. I don't think that Trump thinks of himself as either an agent or an asset because he's too dumb about it to see how he's being used. I can say without a second of hesitation or doubt, though, that he is an active asset of the Russian government, totally serving the interests and under the direction of Vladimir Putin--and has been for decades.

He has done it right out in the open and has done nothing to balance it.
 
"Asset" points to a difference between that and "agent." An asset doesn't have to know they are being used and employed and they don't have to be any part of the planning and managing of an operation. I don't think that Trump thinks of himself as either an agent or an asset because he's too dumb about it to see how he's being used. I can say without a second of hesitation or doubt, though, that he is an active asset of the Russian government, totally serving the interests and under the direction of Vladimir Putin--and has been for decades.

He has done it right out in the open and has done nothing to balance it.

I can't help but chuckle when KeithD refers to someone as "too dumb." It takes on new meaning when the reference is to someone who took a small fortune and turned it into a real estate empire while also winning the presidency.
Tell us in general terms about your business successes as well as your ventures into politics so we may judge you against the man you deem to be "too dumb."
 
Here's another slap to Putin's face> Trump was the toughest president when dealing with Putin. Willful ignorance/ TDS/ orange man bad doesn't make Trump a Russian bot. LMFAO!

MOSCOW – U.S. forces killed scores of Russian contract soldiers in Syria last week in what may be the deadliest clash between citizens of the former foes since the Cold War, according to a U.S. official and three Russians familiar with the matter.

More than 200 mercenaries, mostly Russians fighting on behalf of Syrian leader Bashar Assad, died in a failed attack on a base and refinery held by U.S. and U.S.-backed forces in the oil-rich Deir Ezzor region, two of the Russians said. The U.S. official put the death toll at about 100, with 200 to 300 injured.

*pats on head*

You're confusing foreign policy actions with Russia's propaganda interest in denigrating America's status in the world by undermining our democracy with conspiracy theories, chaos, and conflict.

That's OK. Time for you to run along back to your bedroom and play with your Trump action figures. Come back later with more stories about how your Trumpee doll really put your Putie doll in his place.

Go on up to your bedroom. The grown-ups are talking now... :kiss:
 
*pats on head*

You're confusing foreign policy actions with Russia's propaganda interest in denigrating America's status in the world by undermining our democracy with conspiracy theories, chaos, and conflict.

That's OK. Time for you to run along back to your bedroom and play with your Trump action figures. Come back later with more stories about how your Trumpee doll really put your Putie doll in his place.

Go on up to your bedroom. The grown-ups are talking now... :kiss:


Trump’s internal energy policy trashed Putin’s economy.

The only party denigrating our democracy is the progressive socialist pro ANTIFA MARXIST like you. More peaceful protesting MOM!
 
How so? :confused:

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/19/25-times-trump-has-been-dangerously-hawkish-on-russia/

1. Implementing a Nuclear Posture Review with a more aggressive stance toward Russia

2. Arming Ukraine

3. Bombing Syria

4. Staging coup attempts in Venezuela

5. Withdrawing from the INF treaty

6. Ending the Open Skies Treaty

7. Selling Patriot missiles to Poland

8. Occupying Syrian oil fields

9. Killing Russians in Syria
10. Tanks in Estonia

11. War ships in the Black Sea

12. Sanctions: Trump approved new sanctions against Russia on August 2017.

13. More sanctions

14. Still more sanctions

15. Even more sanctions

16. Guess what? MORE sanctions

17. Oh hey, more sanctions

18. Secondary sanctions

19. Forcing Russian media to register as foreign agents

20. Throwing out Russian diplomats

21. Training Polish and Latvian fighters “to resist Russian aggression”

22. Refusal to recognize Crimea as part of the Russian Federation

23. Sending 1,000 troops to Poland

24. Withdrawing from the Iran deal

25. Attacking Russian gas interests

1. Hot air that doesn't benefit anyone; at the same time failed to manage sensible talks.

2. Continuation of existing policies, rather despite than thanks to Trump, at the same time attempted to use for personal interests.

3. 8. 9. Clusterfuck with countless missed opportunities and controversies increasing chaos and in aggregate beneficial to Russian strategic goals. That there still Russians in Syria at all is a failure on its own right, inevitable perhaps, but still failure.

4. Overall failure. Not sure what else could really be done, but meddling and abandoning the effort wasn't helpful to anything but chaos Russians thrive in.

5. Benefits Russian interests, especially short term. I do understand US motives, but the treaty should have been revised not plainly abandoned.

6. Benefits Russian interests, as far it's at all relevant in age of private satellite imagery.

7. 23. Extension of ongoing commitments. At the same time supporting current far right government in Poland indirectly serves Russian interests.

10. 21. Extension of ongoing commitments. We hold drills involving and integrating over two dozen military organizations for over a decade by now. At the same time aggressive stance against NATO partners was a significant source of anxiety and potential instability in the region.

11. Ongoing policy. Don't forget Russians occupied Crimea over this.

12. 13. 14. 15.16. 17. It's not at all clear how much of this was despite than thanks to Trump. A lot of those doesn't really bother the targets much, since Putin have a perks package for sanctioned, it's said some seek to get under them. Also, it's not that US would do something unique at this, it would be outrageous break with international community if those weren't.

18. Perhaps most effective of all. We lobbied one local "untouchable" micro-oligarch in the list. The squealing and waiting was delicious. But again, wasn't it Congress making the list actually? Not Trump, as far I remember.

22. Oh yeah, you want thanks for not breaking quite that blatantly from the allies, to not shitting on everyone. Well... sure it could be worse.

24. Actually in Russian interest.

25. Only after Russians had de facto abandoned the project out of technical difficulties created in part by the sanctions.

Overall, that's mostly a list of things Trump failed to decisively sabotage, destroy and overturn.
 
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1. Hot air that doesn't benefit anyone; at the same time failed to manage sensible talks.

2. Continuation of existing policies, rather despite than thanks to Trump, at the same time attempted to use for personal interests.

3. 8. 9. Clusterfuck with countless missed opportunities and controversies increasing chaos and in aggregate beneficial to Russian strategic goals. That there still Russians in Syria at all is a failure on its own right, inevitable perhaps, but still failure.

4. Overall failure. Not sure what else could really be done, but meddling and abandoning the effort wasn't helpful to anything but chaos Russians thrive in.

5. Benefits Russian interests, especially short term. I do understand US motives, but the treaty should have been revised not plainly abandoned.

6. Benefits Russian interests, as far it's at all relevant in age of private satellite imagery.

7. 23. Extension of ongoing commitments. At the same time supporting current far right government in Poland indirectly serves Russian interests.

10. 21. Extension of ongoing commitments. We hold drills involving and integrating over two dozen military organizations for over a decade by now. At the same time aggressive stance against NATO partners was a significant source of anxiety and potential instability in the region. The game

11. Ongoing policy. Don't forget Russians occupied Crimea over this.

12. 13. 14. 15.16. 17. It's not at all clear how much of this was despite than thanks to Trump. A lot of those doesn't really bother the targets much, since Putin have a perks package for sanctioned, it's said some seek to get under them. Also, it's not that US would do something unique at this, it would be outrageous break with international community if those weren't.

18. Perhaps most effective of all. We lobbied one local "untouchable" micro-oligarch in the list. The squealing and waiting was delicious. But again, wasn't it Congress making the list actually? Not Trump, as far I remember.

22. Oh yeah, you want thanks for not breaking quite that blatantly from the allies, to not shitting on everyone. Well... sure it could be worse.

24. Actually in Russian interest.

25. Only after Russians had de facto abandoned the project out of technical difficulties created in part by the sanctions.

Overall, that's mostly a list of things Trump failed to decisively sabotage, destroy and overturn.

You just totally REKT ineedhelp1's ass, and in the process probably caused irreversible brain damage.I have read multiple articles debunking the myth that Trump was tough on Putin and Russia, but this was a comprehensive deconstruction.

Well done sir!!! Well done!!!
 
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‘Rump just thought he was making great deals!

Sure I will launder your money for 40% cut !

Hell, he didn’t even realize they were using him to launder their money

Deutsch Bank Knew!!! Facilitated the deals!!

“Awwww! But Trump armed the Ukrainians!!”
Yup with shit they were not allowed to use against Russians!!
 
1. Hot air that doesn't benefit anyone; at the same time failed to manage sensible talks.


1. TDS and ORANGE MAN bad is not an argument. Continuing with the present version of START even with *what you call* sensible talks, which is laughable on its face, left us at a substantial disadvantage. Putin's numbers of tactical low yield nuclear weapons appears to remain about the same, however, the improved variations are what most analyst are concerned with. Even the Obama administration was concerned with the possible threat that Russia could justify ( a grave error in thought process ) the use of low yield weapon systems.

"Russia has been violating the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty since at least 2014, when it began developing an intermediate-range, ground-launched cruise missile. The INF Treaty prohibits ground-launched ballistic and cruise missiles, both nuclear and non-nuclear, with ranges between 500 and 5,500 kilometers, i.e., 300 to 3,400 miles. Russia's violation of the treaty poses a significant threat to our European allies."

Beginning as early as the mid-2000s, the U.S. continued to comply with the INF Treaty while Russia did not, a common theme with U.S.-Russian arms-control treaties. Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats has described how Russia violated the treaty by testing and flying a missile, the SSC-8, more than 500km. In recent months, Russia has deployed several operational battalions of the SSC-8 missile.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-new-start-with-a-treaty-that-includes-china

2018; "Currently, the Trump administration is disinclined to extend the treaty because it suffers from some of the same deficiencies as the now-defunct INF treaty: Namely, it’s a bilateral agreement between the U.S. and Russia that leaves out China, which is rapidly expanding its nuclear arsenal, and it doesn’t cover a range of new Russians weapons such as hypersonic and cruise missiles, some of which Russia has already deployed in violation of the old INF treaty."

You can call it hot air but to agree to a new treaty with a known cheater as well as not including China is not a prudent decision and is certainly not in our best national security interest.

Biden is about to fuck that up!
 
There is nothing Trump would have done that the Russians didn't want him to do. That was right out there in the open obvious from everything he's said or done.
 
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