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DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN?

  • YES

    Votes: 8 9.2%

  • NO

    Votes: 44 50.6%

  • I ALREADY PLACED MY FAITH IN CHRIST AND HIS SACRIFICE

    Votes: 22 25.3%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 13 14.9%
  • Total voters
    87
Tryharder62 said:
Atheists may not be hypocrites but there is something seriously wrong with them as people to do such killing. The Christian faith did not kill those people
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Anyone who died of Aids because Christians deliberately lied about condoms because their faith doesn't allow their use is an example of Christian faith killing people.

And that's still happenign in Africa, right now. We don't have to go back in history to find where people were killing in the name of god, but we can if you like.

Wheras I have yet to find an example of an atheist sending people to kill in the name of not-god.
 
Tryharder62 said:
It is nessesary for compassion. The Christian God knows what we are going through because he walked a mile (and more) in our shoes.
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Why did he need to?

But even if he did, and did need to, that's the same god that subsequently instructed his followers to create Islam and Sikhism.

Also, the Teutonic, Norse, Greek and Roman gods were not immortal, could suffer and could die, so they already knew what it was like.
 
Tryharder62 said:
Name another faith where God takes the punishment for the shortcomings of man.
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Shortcomings that he himself created as part of our nature. So why did we even deserve punishment?

If I don't train me dog properly and because of that he pees on the rug, that's my fault, not his.
 
Tryharder62 said:
Name another faith where God takes the punishment for the shortcomings of man.
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Well, there’s the Catholics (Eastern Orthodox and Latin), the Baptists (Southern, National and Progressive), Lutherans (WI Synod, MO Synod and ELCA), the Mormons (LDS and Bickertonite), Methodists (United and Nazarene), Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Presbyterians, Evangelists, Anabaptists, Pentecostalists and Anglicans, for a start.
 
dolf said:
Wouldn't being omnipotent and being able to see into everyone's hearts and inside everyone's minds cover that?
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I don't think so. I hate this but let's use the example of rape. Someone goes to the hospital who has been raped. The doctor comes in and says "I understand what you are going through because I know what rape is and I see the evidence." A rape counselor comes in and says "I understand what you are going through because I have been raped." Who do you think is really more likely to understand?

RocketLauncher said:
Word. People are bastards.
Hey beautiful lady! Happy Holidaze !🎄:rose:
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Hello! Happy Holidaze to you as well!!!!!
 
Tryharder62 said:
I don't think so. I hate this but let's use the example of rape. Someone goes to the hospital who has been raped. The doctor comes in and says "I understand what you are going through because I know what rape is and I see the evidence." A rape counselor comes in and says "I understand what you are going through because I have been raped." Who do you think is really more likely to understand?
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A doctor isn't an omnipotent mind reader. He wasn't by your side every second of your ordeal.

Christ wasn't raped, so does god still not understand that pain?
 
phrodeau said:
Well, there’s the Catholics (Eastern Orthodox and Latin), the Baptists (Southern, National and Progressive), Lutherans (WI Synod, MO Synod and ELCA), the Mormons (LDS and Bickertonite), Methodists (United and Nazarene), Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Presbyterians, Evangelists, Anabaptists, Pentecostalists and Anglicans, for a start.
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You are talking about different denominations. I'm not sure of a couple of them but most all you listed believe that Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins and that leads to salvation (eternal life). They disagree on minor points that don't affect salvation. I think denominations divide Christians. Every time I see things about denominations I think about the first part of this You tube video. You have probably already seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRCHVWEkOU8
 
dolf said:
A doctor isn't an omnipotent mind reader. He wasn't by your side every second of your ordeal.

Christ wasn't raped, so does god still not understand that pain?
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Point taken. I just don't think you can truly get it if you haven't been through it yourself. You don't think Christ experienced sexual abuse? He was stripped forcibly. He was exposed against his will. He was touched when he didn't want to be. You see him in a loin cloth in depictions but that was not the case. If Christ was a female we wouldn’t hesitate to recognize his ordeal as sexual abuse.
 
Led_Astray said:
Why did he need to?

But even if he did, and did need to, that's the same god that subsequently instructed his followers to create Islam and Sikhism.

Also, the Teutonic, Norse, Greek and Roman gods were not immortal, could suffer and could die, so they already knew what it was like.
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They died but did they rise again to defeat death? I truly don't understand what you are talking about when you say God subsequently instructed his followers to create Islam and Sikhism. Can you expound on this to help me understand better?

Led_Astray said:
Shortcomings that he himself created as part of our nature. So why did we even deserve punishment?

If I don't train me dog properly and because of that he pees on the rug, that's my fault, not his.
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No he didn't create our shortcomings. He gave us choices and we didn't always make the best ones.

What if you train your dog properly but he just pees because he doesn't want to follow your rules? That's on the dog.


Led_Astray said:
Anyone who died of Aids because Christians deliberately lied about condoms because their faith doesn't allow their use is an example of Christian faith killing people.

And that's still happenign in Africa, right now. We don't have to go back in history to find where people were killing in the name of god, but we can if you like.

Wheras I have yet to find an example of an atheist sending people to kill in the name of not-god.
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Didn't you get that I agreed with you? I have no doubt that somewhere in the world today people are doing terrible things in the name of Christ.

So it is OK for atheists to kill because they don't do it in the name of a God?
 
Tryharder62 said:
You are talking about different denominations. I'm not sure of a couple of them but most all you listed believe that Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins and that leads to salvation (eternal life). They disagree on minor points that don't affect salvation. I think denominations divide Christians. Every time I see things about denominations I think about the first part of this You tube video. You have probably already seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRCHVWEkOU8
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They’re different faiths, and some are wildly different. Try asking an Adventist if they think Catholics will go to Heaven.
 
phrodeau said:
They’re different faiths, and some are wildly different. Try asking an Adventist if they think Catholics will go to Heaven.
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They both believe that Jesus died on the cross and rose again for the forgiveness of sins. How they worship is definitely different.
 
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Death is god's creation, so why does he have to defeat it? God could have decided that nobody who repents needs punishment for their sins, because he's the one who decided what was a sin and that it needed punishment, so why did he have to die for our sins?
To me it's just like that nurse who got caught poisoning babies so that she could get the praise for saving them.
 
dolf said:
Death is god's creation, so why does he have to defeat it? God could have decided that nobody who repents needs punishment for their sins, because he's the one who decided what was a sin and that it needed punishment, so why did he have to die for our sins?
To me it's just like that nurse who got caught poisoning babies so that she could get the praise for saving them.
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Death is a consequence of sin. He could have just given us a free pass for our sins. Don't know how much we would learn that way though. I get what you're saying. If I were God I wouldn't have put an apple tree in the garden. They would have been stuck worshipping me for eternity. I also wouldn't have sent one of my sons to the cross for a man/woman that I created who wouldn't listen to what I was telling them. Probably a good thing that I am not God. :D
 
If god is real, i don't like him. He's abusive, bullying, game playing and manipulative. Love me or I'll get my underworld contact to make you suffer? There's going to be a thousand religions, none of which provide any proof, but if you pick wrong I'll punish you? I demand you beg forgiveness for the basic nature you were born with?

It's ugly.
 
Tryharder62 said:
Death is a consequence of sin. He could have just given us a free pass for our sins. :D
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That story in Genesis proves one thing only:- that your god is an unforgiving, unremitting asshole. The concept of original sin is utterly obscene, invented by priests and churches to control man and woman kind.

Death is merely part of life - no big deal, you're born, you live, you die, end of your story - not the end of life's story. It's been going on for billions of years before various religions tried to convert it into fantasy fiction.

Incidentally, at my age I'm almost certainly closer to death than you are. :) Nothing to worry about and resurrection is a complete nonsense without a shred of evidence to support the absurd idea in any of the religions which promote it.
 
colddiesel said:
That story in Genesis proves one thing only:- that your god is an unforgiving, unremitting asshole. The concept of original sin is utterly obscene, invented by priests and churches to control man and woman kind.

Death is merely part of life - no big deal, you're born, you live, you die, end of your story - not the end of life's story. It's been going on for billions of years before various religions tried to convert it into fantasy fiction.

Incidentally, at my age I'm almost certainly closer to death than you are. :) Nothing to worry about and resurrection is a complete nonsense without a shred of evidence to support the absurd idea in any of the religions which promote it.
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I don't know man. I just had a piece of pecan pie. I don't usually eat it. I am having a delayed reaction. Possible death by sugar.:eek: I'm not worried about death. I do believe in an afterlife. I figure if I am right than I will be where I want to be, if I am wrong than I will be in the ground with you. Otherwise, I have lived my life the way I wanted to live it according to my faith. Would I love for you and Dolf and others to become Christians? Absolutely. I obviously don't see God the way you do. We all have a choice though.:rose: The only thing I can do is share my experience, strength and hope when appropriate. All I have found through Jesus.

Another piece of advice I have for you. Don't have pecan pie in the same meal you have shrimp cocktail. It's not a good thing my friend.
 
https://youtu.be/D9ioyEvdggk


There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
When she gets there she knows
If the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for
Oh oh oh oh and she's buying a stairway to heaven
There's a sign on the wall
But she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings
In a tree by the brook
There's a songbird who sings
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiving
Ooh, it makes me wonder
Ooh, it makes me wonder
There's a feeling I get
When I look to the west
And my spirit is crying for leaving
In my thoughts I have seen
Rings of smoke through the trees
And the voices of those who standing looking
Ooh, it makes me wonder
Ooh, it really makes me wonder
And it's whispered that soon, If we all…
 
I have my own definition of what constitutes Christianity. People who follow the teachings of Christ I consider Christians. Translated into modern terms pretty much an egalitarian crossed with a Taoist/ hippy. Someone who cares for others regardless of their religious beliefs, some one who has faith in "the decency of humankind", one who will discuss their religious beliefs respectfully.
A Christian is definitely not someone with a Religious Superiority Complex.

Tryharder is a good Christian. :)
Xxxfrodo, not so much. 🤷
 
RocketLauncher said:
I have my own definition of what constitutes Christianity. People who follow the teachings of Christ I consider Christians. Translated into modern terms pretty much an egalitarian crossed with a Taoist/ hippy. Someone who cares for others regardless of their religious beliefs, some one who has faith in "the decency of humankind", one who will discuss their religious beliefs respectfully.
A Christian is definitely not someone with a Religious Superiority Complex.

Tryharder is a good Christian. :)
Xxxfrodo, not so much. 🤷
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Xfrodo and I just have different gifts. I have to give him Kudos for keeping this thread going even though he gets alot of flack for it. I couldn't do that. Pretty amazing people have come to this thread to at least ponder the message of Christianity.

Thousands and thousands of people were saved by Billy Graham. I remember when his crusades were on TV. I wasn't a Christian then. I would turn it off. What others have said is the best preaching of all time I couldn't take because to me he sounded like he was yelling. I had enough of that at home. I have since enjoyed reading some of his messages. It took my sweet, shy, college roommate to make me really think about it. So who was the better Christian Billy or my roommate Jackie? Good thing for me that there is room for both.
 
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