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I did not know English was not the official language of the U.S.

Joaquin1975 said:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/19/news/english.php

I always assumed it was so.
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Joaquin1975 said:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/19/news/english.php

I always assumed it was so.
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It was referred to as the 'common' language. It's not the 'official' language though. The Inhofe bill makes English the legal 'national' language. It basically means government forms, notices, etc. don't have to be published in any language other than English unless they are already provided for by law. It makes learning English and civics mandatory, which it already is, but does not offer provisions that secure this is carried out.
The wording is important. Since 1923, there has been legislation trying to make English the official language.
This bill should have sailed right through congress but it didn't. Some of those dem. senators pissed me off yesterday, making such a fuss about the bill being unfriendly to immigrants, they didn't think it was a nice way to welcome them to the country. The same ones argued illegals should be able to collect social security for working illegally once they become citizens. Ther'e not even enough s.s. to pay those who work legally let alone those who don't.
 
The Mutt said:
Voting must be very different there than from where I live. At the precinct, I show my Voter Registration card. They find my name in the book. They ask my address. If it's not the same as in their book, I have to show a Driver's License or some other proof of address. (last month's electric bill, for example)
The poll workers are the same little old ladies who have been there for years. They recognize everybody, and I live in a densely packed urban precinct.

I find that business about the DNC sending out fake cards really hard to believe. How could they think they'd get away with it? The Democrats never cease to amaze me with their stupidity, be even they aren't that dumb.
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You must not vote in precinct 29.
 
Ishmael said:
You are quite the fucking idiot aren't you? :) I do believe we may have found REDWAVEs replacement here folks.

84% of the public is against illegal immigration. This movement is being driven by the public, not the politicians. As a matter of fact the politicians aren't doing shit.

But let's get back to that 84% number. Is it your assertion that 84% of the electorate conservative? How do you explain the environmental groups that are turning against the illegals?

Now little RED, I really could give a shit less if you're part of some lunatic fringe that sees open borders as a good thing. But you really show your hand when you attribute the whole affair to some conservative conspiracy. *chuckle*

Your no longer worthy of any dialog whatsoever. A real waste of bandwidth.

Ishmael
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First off, if you just want to spout off bullshit then you're the one thats being an idiot here Ish.

Immigration and a 'National language' are NOT the most important issues right now, as Mecha pointed out to you. They are being used as a political ploy to draw support. If you read anything I have posted you would know that I am definitely NOT for open borders, in fact, I suggested placing the National Guard on the border awhile before that little plan was trotted out, actually, I suggested placing them on BOTH borders.. Also that trying to legislate wht to do about illegal immigrants can and should only come after the flood can be stopped, or at least slowed to a trickle.

Again, as Mecha pointed out,the national debt of over 8 trillion dollars, and the fact that this administration has had to raise the debt cap three times is of concern and should be a major issue this and the next election cycle.

But go on ignoring my posts and calling names. It's you who is showing yourself to be stupid.
 
Hey Ish,
It may not be a conspiricy, but you wanna lay some bets on who gets the contract worth hundreds of billions of dollars to build the fence Bush supports?? I was wondering yesterday why they were going on about the price and throwing out numbers that were totally off the wall, like $12 billion a mile........
 
~hellbaby~ said:
Hey Ish,
It may not be a conspiricy, but you wanna lay some bets on who gets the contract worth hundreds of billions of dollars to build the fence Bush supports?? I was wondering yesterday why they were going on about the price and throwing out numbers that were totally off the wall, like $12 billion a mile........
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Don't be an idiot.
 
~hellbaby~ said:
Hey Ish,
It may not be a conspiricy, but you wanna lay some bets on who gets the contract worth hundreds of billions of dollars to build the fence Bush supports?? I was wondering yesterday why they were going on about the price and throwing out numbers that were totally off the wall, like $12 billion a mile........
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Huh? That made no sense.
 
MakersandIce said:
You must not vote in precinct 29.
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I'm almost sorry you quoted him.

But he didn't read very well. Those weren't fake cards that were sent out. Everything was quite in order except the party had registered non-citizens. Under Motor Voter all one has to do is declare yourself a citizen.

"Are you a citizen?"

"Yes."

That's it. You have your voters registration and no proof of citizenship beyond a simple declaration is required. In the case I quoted earlier, the Dem. party did the "Yes" part for the non-citizen. They had never even applied for a voters registration.

Ishmael
 
Under the Republican proposal, the federal government is directed to "preserve and enhance the role of English as the national language of the United States of America." It does not go as far as proposals to designate English the country's official language, which would require all government publications and business to be in English.

Instead, it says government services and publications now offered in other languages would be unaffected. But the proposal declares that no one has "a right, entitlement, or claim to have the government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services or provide materials in any language other than English."
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Does it serve the public interest to give the government power to deny citizens and legal residents the right to request government services comprehensible to them?
 
Do you refer to the tax code or the langage?

Every group, be it Italian, Chinese, or German has understood; it is a mark of pride to speak English...
 
We are told we lack culture by the fucking Euros because most of us speak only one language…

So let’s at least EDUCATE the fucking invaders.


:D :D :D
 
Oliver Clozoff said:
Does it serve the public interest to give the government power to deny citizens and legal residents the right to request government services comprehensible to them?
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Where is the denial Ollie? Trotting out that old cliche' is beneath you. The immigrant community does just fine taking care of their own without the government having to translate everything for them. Not one of the great immigrant waves that arrived prior to this law or the provision of translators died of starvation or any other lack of government provided services. Further, LEGAL immigrants have to be self sustaining and are elgible for bvery few government subsidized services. That is the nature of the compact the LEGALS make with the government. Perhaps you should read our immigration code and requirements.

As far as the illegals go, I could give a shit less. Calling them parasites would be kind.

Ishmael
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Do you refer to the tax code or the langage?

Every group, be it Italian, Chinese, or German has understood; it is a mark of pride to speak English...
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I'm not sure. The proposal seems awfully broad ("the proposal declares that no one has 'a right, entitlement, or claim to have the government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services or provide materials in any language other than English.'")

That seems like it opens the door for refusal of any services in any other language.

ish said:
Where is the denial Ollie? Trotting out that old cliche' is beneath you.
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Wake up on the wrong side of the bed, Ish?

I didn't say there was a denial. I said that it gives the gov't power to deny. Significant difference, sirrah.
 
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Oliver Clozoff said:
I'm not sure. The proposal seems awfully broad ("the proposal declares that no one has 'a right, entitlement, or claim to have the government of the United States or any of its officials or representatives act, communicate, perform or provide services or provide materials in any language other than English.'")

That seems like it opens the door for refusal of any services in any other language.
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So???????????

Ishmael
 
Oliver, this is the fucking United States.

If the fucker spoke Betlguesian, we'd find a translator...

It's who we are and who these fucking invaders are not. If they were so fucking valuable, like East Germany, Vincente would be building a fence because that's exactly what they got not only at their southern border but along ANY highway that crosses jungle...
 
Ishmael said:
So???????????
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I'm not sure I understand the logic of a self-proclaimed libertarian defending the governments denial of one's right to request services in his or her language.
 
Oliver Clozoff said:
I'm not sure I understand the logic of a self-proclaimed libertarian defending the governments denial of one's right to request services in his or her language.
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And I'm not quite sure I understand why anyone would defend the rights to services for those that have NO rights to those services. :)

Ishmael
 
Cap’n AMatrixca said:
Oliver, this is the fucking United States.

If the fucker spoke Betlguesian, we'd find a translator...

It's who we are and who these fucking invaders are not. If they were so fucking valuable, like East Germany, Vincente would be building a fence because that's exactly what they got not only at their southern border but along ANY highway that crosses jungle...
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I guess this gets down to the core issue of what "who were are" really means. Is it a cultural designation or an idealogical one?

Your response gets at the sense of fear and resentment that a lot of people seem to have at the changing demographic realities of the country. It's interesting.
 
Oliver, you are way smarter than me, so this is like tilting at windmills, but I've read Herodotus and Gibbons and when masses of people show up in your realm and begin demanding things; it's always the signal of the beginning of the end.

Do you want to fight for what we have or do you want to roll over?

They are refusing to assimilate because they know they are slaves.

Both parties have elements be it do-gooders or Tyson Chicken and the packing plants that demand exploitable labor. As soon as you make this wave legit, they will demand the wages Americans expect, and we will have to look the other way as these people go get more slaves.
 
Oliver Clozoff said:
I guess this gets down to the core issue of what "who were are" really means. Is it a cultural designation or an idealogical one?

Your response gets at the sense of fear and resentment that a lot of people seem to have at the changing demographic realities of the country. It's interesting.
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Oh horseshit Ollie. Take your 'guilt trip' and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. Read the laws concerning immigrants, legal immigrants, and get back to me. Citizenship is earned. It's not a gift and until one is a citizen, they are NOT entitled to the benefits of citizenship.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
And I'm not quite sure I understand why anyone would defend the rights to services for those that have NO rights to those services. :)
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Who are you talking about?

Are you saying there aren't people here who qualify for government services who don't speak English or speak it very poorly?
 
Oliver Clozoff said:
Who are you talking about?

Are you saying there aren't people here who qualify for government services who don't speak English or speak it very poorly?
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Read the law Ollie. Or maybe you'd like to itemize the services to which they're entitled. :) Hmmmmmm?

Ishmael
 
Oliver Clozoff said:
I guess this gets down to the core issue of what "who were are" really means. Is it a cultural designation or an idealogical one?

Your response gets at the sense of fear and resentment that a lot of people seem to have at the changing demographic realities of the country. It's interesting.
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I'm multi-racial, so the demographics don't bother me, but these people aren't chasing the core ideas that created this country; just dollars. If they were, they would take great pains to come here legally.

If we need cheap labor, why not tell the coast guard to stand down?
 
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