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Lavared

Lavared

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A work friend has a son, her only child, in the Marines and he is on his third tour in Iraq. A month or so ago he was just two trucks behind one that was blown up, killing everyone on board. Yesterday he was again two trucks back from one that was blown up, killing five marines, three of which were under him in his squad, one of whom leaves behind a young, pregnant wife. His hands were burned but not badly enough to be sent home.

He has 3-4 more weeks left on this final tour. My friend is barely managing to keep it together and I don't blame her. I think that the closer he gets to returning home the more worried I would be. I know that is superstitious but still - don't you think you would be?

I think this was a stupid war and wasteful and in the end won't accomplish a damned thing except getting a lot of young people killed and having the Middle Eastern countries hate us even more than they did to begin with. Not that I necessarily give a rat's ass what any other country thinks of us. And I've never considered myself to be particularly a "dove". But this is so incredibly unjustifiable that it stupefies me.
 
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The frustration is in the futility of the exercise and the lack of honesty fed to everyone about the reasons.

Thanks for venting Lavared.
 
Lavared said:
I think this was a stupid war and wasteful and in the end won't accomplish a damned thing except getting a lot of young people killed and having the Middle Eastern countries hate us even more than they did to begin with. Not that I necessarily give a rat's ass what any other country thinks of us. And I've never considered myself to be particularly a "dove". But this is so incredibly unjustifiable that it stupefies me.
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With this paragraph alone, your argument is worthless.
The typical American, "I can do it but you can not." Fucking bullshit.

I hope your friends son gets shot in the balls.
 
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I agree RVW.

Futile is the word. The saddest part is that so many men and women are over there risking their lives (and dying), doing their utmost to win an unwinable situation and showing courage above and beyond the norm. There are few Americans who don't support the troops but few who do support the war; at least at this juncture. I think there was more support initially.
 
Lavared said:
I think this was a stupid war and wasteful and in the end won't accomplish a damned thing except getting a lot of young people killed and having the Middle Eastern countries hate us even more than they did to begin with. Not that I necessarily give a rat's ass what any other country thinks of us. And I've never considered myself to be particularly a "dove". But this is so incredibly unjustifiable that it stupefies me.
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Curious...who'd you vote for?
 
RoryN said:
Curious...who'd you vote for?
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Sigh. You got me. I voted for Bush. The first time because I thought he would be good. The second time because Kerry looked too much like Herman Munster.

I would have voted for Alan Keyes if he'd had a shot at it.
 
Lavared said:
Sigh. You got me. I voted for Bush. The first time because I thought he would be good. The second time because Kerry looked too much like Herman Munster.

I would have voted for Alan Keyes if he'd had a shot at it.
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I can't let this one pass.

Alan Keyes did have a shot at it, but he opened his mouth and spoke his mind. And what a troubled mind it was. The only real shot he had was the one that hit him in the foot.

This is a good example of why we should decouple the people who advocate policy from those that implement it.
 
Lavared said:
Sigh. You got me. I voted for Bush. The first time because I thought he would be good. The second time because Kerry looked too much like Herman Munster.

I would have voted for Alan Keyes if he'd had a shot at it.
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"Herman hurt no -body! ":)
 
overthebow said:
This is a good example of why we should decouple the people who advocate policy from those that implement it.
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I'm genuinely curious. Do you think that people who advocate policy aren't smart enough to implement it or vice versa or are you thinking of some type of checks and balances thing?

Please explain.
 
Lavared said:
Sigh. You got me. I voted for Bush.
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Then you really don't have the right to complain. But it sounds like you knew that already.

Lavared said:
The first time because I thought he would be good. The second time because Kerry looked too much like Herman Munster.
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Solid reasoning.

Lavared said:
I would have voted for Alan Keyes.
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I hope you're kidding.
 
The total death toll in Iraq now stands at one week of the World War II rate.

And the population of America is double what it was then, so the actual impact is about 3 days of WW II.

By 1943, the U.S. had made very little progress in WW II after two years of brutal war.
 
The total death toll in Iraq now stands at one week of the World War II rate.

And the population of America is double what it was then, so the actual impact is about 3 days of WW II.

By 1943, the U.S. had made very little progress in WW II after two years of brutal war.
 
landslider said:
The total death toll in Iraq now stands at one week of the World War II rate.

And the population of America is double what it was then, so the actual impact is about 3 days of WW II.

By 1943, the U.S. had made very little progress in WW II after two years of brutal war.
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It's an apples and oranges comparison.
 
Avery_Chisholm said:
I think your friends' son can only tempt war faith so much :rose:
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That's one of my concerns and hers as well although we don't speak it aloud. Perhaps that would tempt fate even more?
 
Its a stupid war because the fucking Communistic media has conditioned you to believe its a stupid war. Where would we be today if the same media and politicians (Worthless Dems like Clinton, Dean, Kennedy, Boxer, etc) carried on in WW2? We'd be dead or waiting to die. Maybe when the poor, defenseless Muslims have a gun pointed at your fucking head you won't think it was such a stupid war.
 
DevilishTexan said:
Its a stupid war because the fucking Communistic media has conditioned you to believe its a stupid war.
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Hmm. This would mean Americans have no individual thinking power or perception beyond what the media offers.

If that's true, what source are you getting your propaganda from? Because, clearly, you didn't deduce it on your own (at least, by your logic, stated above).
 
landslider said:
The total death toll in Iraq now stands at one week of the World War II rate.

And the population of America is double what it was then, so the actual impact is about 3 days of WW II.

By 1943, the U.S. had made very little progress in WW II after two years of brutal war.
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I don't think you're cheering her up.
 
landslider said:
The total death toll in Iraq now stands at one week of the World War II rate.
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How many would argue that WWII was a futile war?

I read somewhere that there have been only three wars that were justified: WWII, the American revolution and Star Wars.

That's an oversimplification in the name of humor but... if I were a soldier I had rather die for a cause that would bring a greater good than a senseless one.
 
Lavared said:
How many would argue that WWII was a futile war?
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Don't start him down that path. He'll come back with, "At the time, they did..."

But it's still an absolutely absurd comparison.
 
DevilishTexan said:
Its a stupid war because the fucking Communistic media has conditioned you to believe its a stupid war. Where would we be today if the same media and politicians (Worthless Dems like Clinton, Dean, Kennedy, Boxer, etc) carried on in WW2? We'd be dead or waiting to die. Maybe when the poor, defenseless Muslims have a gun pointed at your fucking head you won't think it was such a stupid war.
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So you're saying that this is a war against Islam ?
 
Lavared said:
I'm genuinely curious. Do you think that people who advocate policy aren't smart enough to implement it or vice versa or are you thinking of some type of checks and balances thing?

Please explain.
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We should have a system where we vote for policy, not for people in office. It is too easy in this day of commercial speech to put a brand on someone and that becomes the issue, not what policy they propose. Also, the current system allows someone who manages to get some number of single issue voters for support to have a relative carte blanche until the next election.

We should use a lottery from a pool of capable people to fill the actual seats in office. If they don't implement the policy the people support, they don't get to be in the pool again.

Our Constitution was written for a far simpler age, and although personal motivations for a position in office haven't changed, the means of attaining it has. We need to rethink that part of our electoral system.
 
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