Cultural appropriation

[oggbashan]

When Og was young (I know, that was prehistory) my first school celebrated Commonwealth Day even if some older teachers and parents still called it Empire Day.

The pupils dressed up to represent the countries of the Commonwealth (or Empire). We weren't given a choice. We were assigned a country and given directions for the costume which our mothers had to make.

I was supposed to represent The West Indies. My costume? Black-face with exaggerated white lips, white gloves, a rainbow waistcoat, a rotating silver bow tie and a black bowler hat. I was dressed as a "Coon Singer" and had to sing Al Jolson's "Mammy".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIaj7FNHnjQ

Even then my parents knew that was wrong but 'teacher knew best'.

That school still exists. Unlike then when all the pupils were White British, the school is multicultural. If the students represented the countries of their ancestors' origins they would cover most of the countries of the Commonwealth and many other countries as well.

I still have a group photo of that Commonwealth Day. It would horrify present day students, teachers and parents.

 

[GiaCat]

Those guys with the distressed BB hats (They bought it already looking old )and goatees violate every law of fashion sense.

 

[CandiCame]

Those guys with the distressed BB hats (They bought it already looking old )and goatees violate every law of fashion sense.

Those guys are satyrs doing their best to hide among humanity. That's why all they ever do is drink and hit on people. They think the hats hide their horns and I don't have the heart to tell them any different.

Little known fact: Satyrs paradoxically love the shit out of Nascar. I always thought that was weird, whatwith the pollution is HAS to create.

 

[astuffedshirt_perv]

I was thinking

this is great stuff.

 

[DMBFFF]

No, because history is important. If two cultures exist simultaneously with no extenuating negativity, the numbers being what they are here, then Culture A and B would have what is called "cultural exchange", which I've been heard called "The Mixing Pot". We saw this here in Appalachia- there was a pretty free cultural exchange among enslaved black folks, indentured servants from Ireland, and conquered woodlands tribes. What resulted from that exchange is what we would consider modern "Appalachian" culture- music with African structure played with native percussion and Irish fiddles, for example. There's a lot of great research on this topic, and it happens all the time. Cultural exchange is GREAT and it gives us not just music but a sense of self and a growth of ideas. And just great fucking food. The Irish brought the taters, the natives brought the cornbread and soupbeans, and the Africans brought the deep-fat frying and then we as a region just decided that we were gonna just all have heart disease because you put that shit together and it's simply THE BEST.

Most aboriginals were killed or driven out.
Blacks were slaves or third class citizens who easily could become slaves again.
Irish were white and far more mobile. JFK was elected in 1960, Obama 48 years later.

Taters and corn (maize) are aboriginal—as are tomatoes, chili, bell peppers, tobacco, chocolate, pumpkins, peanuts, and I think blueberries and cranberries.

There is little equality here.

Cultural appropriation, as opposed to cultural exchange, happens when one culture FORCIBLY dominates another. So in that same vein, we saw a class structure forming, with a wealthy "master" class that tried to enforce their culture on those they wielded power over. They changed people's traditional names, clothing, religion, family support system, etc- one of the few things folks had left, and the reason it bears mentioning, is the music. Another is the food.

Cultural exchange is a potluck. Cultural appropriation is a fancy dinner party where Culture A eats and Culture B cooks.

"Appropriation" sounds more like taking rather than surpressing.

The thing is, culture isn't some limited commodity like land or a person's labour. Some idiot white guy with a headress hasn't stolen the headress; and I fail to see how it diminishes the value of the real thing. Indeed, it likely enhances it. I don't think Little Richard suffered from Pat Boone doing a cover of Tutti Frutti.

But in that situation, where Culture A, the dominate culture, literally tries to destroy Culture B, until all Culture B has left are the remnants that Culture A thought were "pretty", or decided were "pretty" years later

or more likely surpresses it until for some reason or another, they think it's cool and indulge in it—"appropriate" it if, you will—but not theft: copying isn't theft unless you're some RIAA lawyer.

then Culture A doesn't get to take that.

Again, they're copying, or making derivatives—however bad, not taking.

Culture B doesn't /borrow/ from culture A, it was forced to assimilate or die. No one borrows anything in an appropriation situation, people take, and people are forced to accept.

I doubt it's often that stark. When a Mexican decides to learn English, I don't think it's learn-English-and-don't-speak-Spanish-ever, he/she is simply increasing his/her opportunities in life by speaking perhaps the most important language—of course Spanish is pretty significant, so learning that might expand one's horizons a bit too.

So for hairstyles, since that's apparently what this thread was about- if you have hair that's like, let's say 4C, and you live in a culture that has appropriated black culture, you may be punished for wearing your hair naturally. You may be FORCED to chemically straighten your hair, because it's "unprofessional" to wear it the way it grows out of your scalp. If you don't want to subject yourself to expensive chemical treatments, maybe you decide to put it in a protective style, like corn rows- and even then, the dominant culture may say that that style, too, is unprofessional. You need to straighten it. You need to change the way you were born to adhere to Culture A's beauty standard to be taken seriously in your career. Then one day, you turn on TV, and you see a famous person from Culture A wearing the hairstyle that you were not only ridiculed for, you were denied opportunities for- even though she doesn't have the hair type for it. Even though she didn't need a protective style. Even though she only took something, one of the few things you had left because it /literally grew out of your head and they couldn't permanently take it/- and she had taken it, and was being praised for it. She stole your homework, copied it- and she got an A, even though the same teacher gave you a D. That's appropriation.

She copied the hairstyle. The black lady still has her own.

The fault isn't so much the copier as it is the bigoted teacher, but even this analogy doesn't go far. By stealing the homework to copy, the white student denies the black student; the white wannabe hasn't stolen the black lady's hair, only copied the style.

I was supposed to represent The West Indies. My costume? Black-face with exaggerated white lips, white gloves, a rainbow waistcoat, a rotating silver bow tie and a black bowler hat. I was dressed as a "Coon Singer" and had to sing Al Jolson's "Mammy".

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I still have a group photo of that Commonwealth Day. It would horrify present day students, teachers and parents.

Al Jolson certainly tapped into Carribean culture.


Is this GBOA music video racist?
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1486647

Count Floyd- 03 Reggae Christmas Eve In Transylvania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_q8ufM1YsU
3:02

I was thinking ...,

this is great stuff.

be nice

 

[BotanyBoy]

So cultural exchange = non-white people appreciating and embracing each others culture, and it's a wonderful thing.


But cultural appropriation is when white people appreciate and embrace non-white culture and is horrible racist Nazi shit.

Right?

Nothing fucked up about that at ALL nosireeee.

I can't imagine how (D)'s keep loosing out on the white vote, can't even get white women to vote for a white girl over a RAPIST.....

 

[DMBFFF]

So cultural exchange = non-white people appreciating and embracing each others culture, and it's a wonderful thing.


But cultural appropriation is when white people appreciate and embrace non-white culture and is horrible racist Nazi shit.

Right?

Nothing fucked up about that at ALL nosireeee.

I can't imagine how (D)'s keep loosing out on the white vote, can't even get white women to vote for a white girl over a RAPIST.....

White cishet males can, but they first have to get permission.

There might be a UN Agency that might be issuing licenses to applicants that they deem suitable.

 

[DMBFFF]

A Tribe Called Red - Electric Pow Wow Drum (Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpkUISUx3Lo
4:05
966,688 views


Their name is totally original and they never listened to Moby, Ministry, or Cabaret Voltaire.




(I like the song, though. )

 

[oggbashan]

Without cultural appropriation we wouldn't have such great music from the 20th Century.

But ask an educated Spaniard what he/she thinks of Bizet's Carmen and stand well back...

I had a CD of a German Tyrolean Brass Band playing Spanish music complete with shouts of Ole! and castanets. It wasn't cultural appropriation - it was a cultural massacre.

Decades ago I had an LP of the Royal Australian Air Force Band playing Mexican music. Mexico is some way from Australia. The RAAF made it seem a million miles away and the Mexican feel had been lost in transit. Maybe that's why the LP was in the bargain bin.

 

[Kirkrapine]

I was supposed to represent The West Indies. My costume? Black-face with exaggerated white lips, white gloves, a rainbow waistcoat, a rotating silver bow tie and a black bowler hat. I was dressed as a "Coon Singer" and had to sing Al Jolson's "Mammy".

How does that represent the West Indies?!

 

[DMBFFF]

Maybe that's why the LP was in the bargain bin.

I got a few treasures in the bargain bin.

 

[oggbashan]

How does that represent the West Indies?!

Even then I knew it didn't.

That was the point of my post. Our educators were very ignorant about the countries of the Commonwealth (Empire).

Now, in that same school, the pupils know far more about the world than my teachers knew then.

 

[smoothg103rd]

What happened to milkshake?

 

[DMBFFF]

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https://collegian.com/2017/10/cultural-appropriation-on-halloween-explained/

https://collegian.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/culture.jpg

(my bold)

If you’re curious as to what exactly is offensive to a culture, Kelly also has some advice.

“Come into one of the diversity offices and ask,” Kelly said. “It doesn’t give you a pass to wear a bad costume, but it’s an opportunity to educate yourself.”

The idea of cultural appropriation in Halloween sparks debates every year, and this time around, people are focusing on Moana, the protagonist in a Disney movie set in ancient Polynesia. According to Suchi Verma, a sophomore studying computer sciences, this costume is acceptable.

“I think it’s fine because they want to dress like Moana, not the stereotypical Pacific Islander,” Verma said. “But don’t dress like a different culture if you have no knowledge about the culture and its traditions.”

Additionally, Verma offered advice to those that can’t seem to find a costume.

“If you can’t think of anything to dress up as then wear a unicorn onesie,” Verma said. “Because everyone at CSU is a unicorn and a wonderful person.”

The University is also taking steps to preemptively prevent cultural appropriation on Halloween around campus.

According to Laura Giles, director of Residence Life, her department has created a bulletin board that expands on the concept. The board is designed to “provide education and a starting point for conversations with residents,” according to Giles. The bulletin boards are in the residence halls, and there are also digital posters.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/look-at-cultural-appropriation

for a pic:
https://az616578.vo.msecnd.net/file...mandla-Stenberg-on-Cultural-Appropriation.jpg

Stenberg then goes on to give the best definition of appropriation I’ve ever heard. She says “appropriation occurs when a style leads to racist generalizations or stereotypes where it originated but is deemed as high fashion, cool or funny when the privileged take it for themselves.”

http://www.stonecirclepress.com/blog-9658-ancient-spirit-rising/what-is-cultural-appropriation

for a pic:
http://www.stonecirclepress.com/uploads/5/4/3/9/5439046/head-dresses-for-ca-blog-copy_orig.jpg

PEGI EYERS


To understand how cultural appropriation shows up in our environmental movements and spiritual life, we need to look at the backstory, or how cultural appropriation came to be. About 50 years ago a strange phenomena began to happen. In mainstream society young white people were rebelling against the imperialist machine, while in a much less visible sphere, First Nations were just starting to recover from the dark ages of genocide, oppression, residential school displacement and segregation. In the dominant society of the mid-20th century, ties to a genuine spiritual life had been broken, organized religion was on the decline, and all of a sudden young white people were reconnecting with nature. This was a wonderful thing (!) but they had no role models to follow. So they turned to First Nations, freely adopting their cultural tools and spiritual traditions, and some going so far as to create a whole new Indigenous identity for themselves. Without proper boundaries, the whitewashed genre of "Native Spirituality" was born, and cultural appropriation became imbedded in the flourishing New Age Industry.

https://blogs.stthomas.edu/linkages/2015/10/28/halloween-and-cultural-appropriation/

https://blogs.stthomas.edu/linkages/files/2015/10/CultureNotCostume.jpg

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[size=+1]You’re free to dress how you want this Halloween, but you’re not free of the responsibility to respect the cultures of your peers. Not only is it blatant disrespect and negligence of the history of a group of people to misuse cultural symbols for a fun night out (i.e. “Pocahontas” in the image above), it poorly reflects upon you, your peers, and your community.[/size]

This page has extra links, among them:

A Guide to Understanding and Avoiding Cultural Appropriation
https://www.thoughtco.com/cultural-appropriation-and-why-iits-wrong-2834561

How to Avoid Cultural Appropriation

Every individual has choices to make when it comes to sensitivity toward others. As a member of the majority, someone may not be able to recognize a harmful appropriation unless it's pointed out. This requires awareness of why you're buying or doing something that represents another culture.

The intention is at the heart of the matter, so it's important to ask yourself a series of questions.

Why are you "borrowing" this? Is it out of a genuine interest? Is it something you feel called to do? Or, does it simply look appealing and you're following the trends?
What is the source? For material items such as artwork, was it made by someone from that culture? What does this item mean to them?
How respectful is this to the culture? What would someone from that group feel about it?

Genuine interest in other cultures is not to be discounted. The sharing of ideas, traditions, and material items is what makes life interesting and helps diversify the world. It is the intention that remains most important and something everyone can remain conscious of as we learn from others.

https://everydayfeminism.com/2013/09/cultural-exchange-and-cultural-appropriation/

https://everydayfeminism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usatsi_7351186_153192880_lowres-300x199.jpg



http://www.talkdeath.com/cultural-appropriation-how-not-celebrate-day-of-the-dead/

Let's get one of the biggest misconceptions about Dias de los Muertos out of the way: this is not the Mexican Halloween (that it starts the day after Halloween should have been the most obvious clue). Yet the associations to Halloween are strong in America and Canada. The festive nature of Muertos, with its face painting, costumes and rituals becomes fertile ground for appropriation in and around October 31st.

https://www.bitchmedia.org/post/costume-cultural-appropriation

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/10460209566_87ef62781b_o.jpg

by Kjerstin Johnson
Published on October 25, 2011 at 1:22pm

Halloween is a notorious time for offensive outfits. If you’re still not sure what your costume is going to be this year, make sure you don’t go the culturally appropriative route. Dressing up as “another culture,” is racist, and an act of privilege. Not only does it lead to offensive, inaccurate, and stereotypical portrayals of other people’s culture (Do you think Día de los Muertos is just “Mexican Halloween”? Well it’s not, so put away your facepaint), but is also an act of appropriation in which someone who does not experience that oppression is able to “play,” temporarily, an “exotic” other, without experience any of the daily discriminations faced by other cultures. Like dressing up as a “sexy squaw” while being completely unaware of the horrific rates of sexual violence Native women face. (Read more about the harmful effects of sexualizing Native women by Adrienne at Native Appropriations).

Can I Wear “Tribal” Prints?
http://thriftshopchic.com/can-i-wear-tribal-prints/



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZT1sTYpOJ04/hqdefault.jpg


I've seen this video a few times (as well as seen a few of her other videos):

What Is Cultural Appropriation? | Feminist Fridays
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT1sTYpOJ04
5:59
214,638 views
1,674 Comments

1:10 to 1:14 of 5:59 video

Probably gonna to be a swastika on the screen...just...we're gonna go with it.

She gets that one somewhat wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Prehistory

Also:
marinashutup
her profile page on YouTube is here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ2yCFYUDiBJajga4tXRdNA
CA
marinashutup
84,574 subscribers

YOUR FEMINISM SUCKS | Feminist Fridays
on her profile page



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http://www.stapaw.com/single-post/2...s-Cultural-Appropriation-Facts-and-Response-1


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Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Wikiquotes
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

Conservapedia
https://www.conservapedia.com/Cultural_appropriation

Cultural appropriation

Cultural appropriation is a liberal term that describes disrespect for ethnic groups. The issue is championed by Social justice warriors, the perpetually offended takes issue with individuals and groups perceived by them as intolerant of multiculturalism. For example, Taco Tuesday lunch menu is disrespecting Hispanics. Dreadlocks on a white person is disrespecting black people. An Indian Halloween costume is disrespecting of Native Americans.

Cultural appropriation is the logical extension of Marxist ideology, the division and balkanization of people along race, religion, wealth, gender and in the modern era- sexuality.

That's the entire article. (Don't work Laurel https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Copyright " Conservapedia grants a non-exclusive license to you to use any of the content (other than images) on this site with or without attribution. When material is copied from this site, a link to the page copied is appropriate. This license is revocable only in very rare instances of self-defense, such as protecting continued use by Conservapedia editors or other licensees or stopping unauthorized copying or mirroring of entire parts of this site.[1]")

RationalWiki
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_appropriation

The talk page might also make for interesting reading.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Cultural_appropriation

"Don't eat Mexican food. Please do not disrespect my culture."
An infamous Tumblr quote (Source):

Anarchopedia seems to have none (yet)
http://eng.anarchopedia.org/cultural_appropriation
http://eng.anarchopedia.org/Cultural_appropriation

search
http://eng.anarchopedia.org/index.p...iation&title=Special**ASearch&fulltext=Search



What is considered Cultural Appropriation? (Debate)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vy7G-Jfvq8
14:24
397 views
TheShop with Marcus
Published on Apr 8, 2016

more like a friendly chat between 4 guys, one white, one black, and two bi-racials, from I think Baltimore.












[size=+2]Finally, may all of you have a happy politically correct Halloween/Samhain,

and if not a politically correct Halloween/Samhain,
then at least a happy Halloween/Samhain!
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[Kirkrapine]

Even then I knew it didn't.

That was the point of my post. Our educators were very ignorant about the countries of the Commonwealth (Empire).

Well, they should have had you sing something reggae -- if it existed then; if not, then some calypsos. The blackface could stay -- not quite as sensitive a point in the UK as it is here where it was invented.

 

[Kirkrapine]

https://www.bitchmedia.org/post/costume-cultural-appropriation

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3771/10460209566_87ef62781b_o.jpg

I take the point, but, for some reason, one hardly ever seems to see them sexualized. Latina porn is about as close as it gets.

Also, if they really are that much at risk -- who is assaulting them? Presumably Indian men. Is there something in their culture that encourages or tolerates it?

 

[jaF0]

What's with the 87,000 line shit spew in post 64?

 

[IG_88]

Fucking snowflakes

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I take the point, but, for some reason, one hardly ever seems to see them sexualized. Latina porn is about as close as it gets.

"Latina" is not synonymous with Native Americans, "porn" is not synonymous with being sexualized and just because you don't personally see or experience something happening doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Also, if they really are that much at risk -- who is assaulting them? Presumably Indian men. Is there something in their culture that encourages or tolerates it?

Yeah. It's called "men."

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mcd.gif

Guy, your apple is usually more polished than this. You eatin' too much Hellerween candy tonight or what?