sub/dom poems are all crap poems because bdsm is just a fetish and blah blah blah

[Angeline]

There's nothing - absolutely nothing - more erotic in nature, than swimming with dinoflagellates. Coming from me, that's saying a whole of a hell of lot! I tend to experience the Great Outdoors as a multitude of aphrodisiacs.

Aspiring poets and other purveyors of porn should probably check with Lit's censors, though. Technically speaking, this might not pass the bestiality test.

When "bestiality" occurs with creatures that are at a microscopic level I say all bets are off. If I need scientific equipment to measure what is turning me on, I'm not too worried about crossing lines.

 

[Keroin]

There's nothing - absolutely nothing - more erotic in nature, than swimming with dinoflagellates. Coming from me, that's saying a whole of a hell of lot! I tend to experience the Great Outdoors as a multitude of aphrodisiacs.

Aspiring poets and other purveyors of porn should probably check with Lit's censors, though. Technically speaking, this might not pass the bestiality test.

I don't think I've ever been as surprised by a post on Lit as I was at this one.

JM?

Seriously, nature is my number one turn on. And I don't mean that in the "enjoys romantic strolls on the beach" kind of way. I mean, just thinking about the feel of sword fern is...*shivers*. But microscopic, glowing beasties top the list.

Hm, I thought I was the only one.

(Mind you, I did get ciguatera poisoning last year, so I'm picky about my dinoflagellates).

 

[WickedEve]

When "bestiality" occurs with creatures that are at a microscopic level I say all bets are off. If I need scientific equipment to measure what is turning me on, I'm not too worried about crossing lines.

Funniest thing I've read in awhile. Thank you! lol

 

[WriterDom]

Just in case any of you serious poets want to take a crack at a penguin poem.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=651020

 

[Homburg]

I had to test this. I'm not sure it's a fetish in the strict sense but I have a "thing" for bioluminescence, in nature. Swimming in it turns me into a giant nerve ending. I can never go in that cave in New Zealand with all the glow worms because I'll never come out and it would be embarrassing when the guide stops the tour because no one can hear him over the moaning.

But I digress.

Anyway, no luck on finding bioluminescence porn through Google but I'll keep searching.

Well, if you read up on "Rule 34", you find that you can't be super-specific. You'll find something in the same overall class, but maybe the exact species. And, as we see above, you did find a second person that digs basically the same thing. Now we just need someone with a paypal account to chime in with their willingness to lay coin down to watch.

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Fetish: an object/idea or bodily part whose real or fantasied presence is psychologically necessary for sexual gratification and that is an object of fixation to the extent that it may interfere with complete poetic/human expression.

If you are looking at the clinical definition of paraphilia, yes. The fixation does prevent healthy human relations. Very, very few people actually have a clinical paraphilia though, even in the BDSM world.

And for the second, we haven't really talked about sadism, as in the person who takes sexual pleasure in another's suffering. I believe sadists live an abberant lifestyle, as in folks who are clinically anti-social. The lifestyle of the sadist is easy to spot,

Where are pulling this from?

If you met me in person, and we were not in a situation where sex was the topic of open discussion, you would have no idea that I have any given predilection or not. I'm sure the same can be said about WD, Netz, JM, etc.

And, much as above, there is a difference between clinical sadism and casual sadism. Both take pleasure at the pain of others, but the former cares nothing for consent.

it's the sort of way of thinking about your sexuality that you're born and then grow into, just like heterosexuality and homosexuality. As I've said about sub/dom relations, I think there's a natural bit of that in every sexual relationship. In the safe world of bdsm, the game world, the dom is masked as the sadist and the sub as the masochist. I only narrow my margins to include what I've found already in poetry that has been deemed bdsm. But I fail because I don't except every instance of a poem that is claimed as bdsm? Why doesn't that person have to explain why their poem is bdsm as a disclaimer? Because that's pointless.

It took a minute for people who wrote bdsm poems to say some things about what such a poem might look like, we'd have to go through that whole thing again to give a description of your lifestyle, Eve. But that's not really what I'm hitting around. For Homburg to keep saying definitional arguments are pointless

Not pointless, just trite. Hackneyed. Dull.

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This hasn't been thesis material, so stop trying to make it into some philo third year seminar.

And this is why I did not use the logician's terminology in the first place. Then someone commented about it, so I did. Now there is counter-whinging.

As usual, the internet debate pendulum swings from pseudo-intellectual to anti-intellectual, without ever coming to stop on just plain intellectual.

Why wouldn't I want to pin down bdsm as a fetish? It would work well for my argument if someone agreed that this group of ideas, my markers, had to represent bdsm in poetry. It's a neat little argument if you believe fetish can't be described in quality poetry. It takes a minute to make an argument and give reasons. I was asked to come here to defend my thesis, in a way. I didn't want any part of it until a few people I regarded said I should explain myself. Truth be told, I wrote a number of reviews just to goad someone into arguing with me about bdsm in poetry, as I've gotten sick of reading it. Didn't think it'd be on the messageboard, cuz technically I said I was taking a leave of absence.

At least you admit to it. Kudos.

Anyway, you're so concentrated on "words" as opposed to the ideas that those words represent. The list of words is about marking the power relations that define whatever bdsm is.

Ah, the "What I meant to say was..." defense. Gotcha.

The sub/dom master/slave repetition is about immediate sexual stimulation, put the game on so we can play our parts and get off stage. Pause the game. I love you. Return to the game.

You. Have. No. Clue.

 

[GuiltyPleasure]

Funniest thing I've read in awhile. Thank you! lol

Made me laugh harder too.

 

[annaswirls]

Just in case any of you serious poets want to take a crack at a penguin poem.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=651020

Are you sure? I don't think we will "get it"



Here is my favorite penguin poem




Artist: Lovett Lyle
Song: Penguins
Album: Live in Texas


I don't go for fancy cars
For diamond rings
Or movie stars
I go for penguins
Oh Lord I go for penguins

Throw your money out the door
We'll just sit around
And watch it snow
I go for penguins
Oh Lord I go for penguins

Penguins are so sensitive
Penguins are so sensitive
Penguins are so sensitive
To my needs

Penguins are so sensitive
Penguins are so sensitive
Penguins are so sensitive
To my needs
To my needs
To my needs
To my needs

Penguins are so sensitive
Penguins are so sensitive
Penguins are so sensitive
To my needs
To my needs
To my needs

To my needs
To my needs
To my needs
To my needs
To my needs

To my needs
To my needs

 

[WickedEve]

Are you sure? I don't think we will "get it"

Weeks ago, I read something about one of the bdsm gals writing about some imaginary D/s relationship with a penguin, which is silly. Why have a penguin when there are perfectly good possums around.

 

[WriterDom]

Weeks ago, I read something about one of the bdsm gals writing about some imaginary D/s relationship with a penguin, which is silly. Why have a penguin when there are perfectly good possums around.

armadillos: Possum on the half shell

 

[Safe_Bet]

Possum is southern bdsm. I could tell you all about the way of the possum, but then I'd have to eat you. No, not sexually!

Well that explains a lot. I used to watch reruns of the Beverly Hillbillies and always wondered why Granny served "possum" at damn near every meal and why Ellie Mae had one on her shoulder all the time.

Hmmmm, wonder if Granny or Ellie Mae ever played "lesbian possum" with Miss Hathaway????

 

[JMohegan]

When "bestiality" occurs with creatures that are at a microscopic level I say all bets are off. If I need scientific equipment to measure what is turning me on, I'm not too worried about crossing lines.

Haha! A very reasonable defense.

I don't think I've ever been as surprised by a post on Lit as I was at this one.

JM?

Seriously, nature is my number one turn on. And I don't mean that in the "enjoys romantic strolls on the beach" kind of way. I mean, just thinking about the feel of sword fern is...*shivers*. But microscopic, glowing beasties top the list.

Hm, I thought I was the only one.

(Mind you, I did get ciguatera poisoning last year, so I'm picky about my dinoflagellates).

*googles ciguatera*

That does sound bad. Don't blame you for being picky.

On a related note - I've experimented, to see if the light-producers can be captured with tongue, and thereby transferred to skin. The answer's yes on both counts, and I recommend this highly.

God, I miss Vieques.

 

[annaswirls]

armadillos: Possum on the half shell

ha! Part piggie

I love me my dillos, every time I see one I still feel like I have walked through a wrinkle in the time space continuum.

I don't think there are any strap - on dillos, though, or dillo butt plugs. Oh who am I kidding, I am sure there must be

 

[annaswirls]

http://offbeatchronicles.typepad.com/offbeat_chronicles/2008/03/armadillo-sex-t.html

 

[WickedEve]

Well that explains a lot. I used to watch reruns of the Beverly Hillbillies and always wondered why Granny served "possum" at damn near every meal and why Ellie Mae had one on her shoulder all the time.

Hmmmm, wonder if Granny or Ellie Mae ever played "lesbian possum" with Miss Hathaway????

Oh, that's it. Ruin The Andy Griffith Show for me next!!!

 

[Safe_Bet]

Oh, that's it. Ruin The Andy Griffith Show for me next!!!

Well, seeing as how you asked nicely...

Ever wonder why:

None of the guys on the show ever got married, but spent a LOT of time together "fishing"? (lot of "poles" being waved around, but not many fish!)

Andy's "girl friend" spent so much time with Aunt Bea? (You KNOW she was a lezbo... She and Andy were just "fronting" for each other...)

Why Aunt Bea was smiling all the time? (Ben Wa balls???)

Don't even get me started on Flloyd!

 

[WickedEve]

Well, seeing as how you asked nicely...

Ever wonder why:

None of the guys on the show ever got married, but spent a LOT of time together "fishing"? (lot of "poles" being waved around, but not many fish!)

Andy's "girl friend" spent so much time with Aunt Bea? (You KNOW she was a lezbo... She and Andy were just "fronting" for each other...)

Why Aunt Bea was smiling all the time? (Ben Wa balls???)

Don't even get me started on Flloyd!

 

[Angeline]

Floyd was a drugger. That man was on LSD every time I saw him.

 

[WriterDom]

Well, seeing as how you asked nicely...

Ever wonder why:

None of the guys on the show ever got married, but spent a LOT of time together "fishing"? (lot of "poles" being waved around, but not many fish!)

Andy's "girl friend" spent so much time with Aunt Bea? (You KNOW she was a lezbo... She and Andy were just "fronting" for each other...)

Why Aunt Bea was smiling all the time? (Ben Wa balls???)

Don't even get me started on Flloyd!

Andy always had good looking women. Pretty sure Flloyd was queer. I wouldn't be surprised if he abused Gomer.

 

[Angeline]

Andy always had good looking women. Pretty sure Flloyd was queer. I wouldn't be surprised if he abused Gomer.

Floyd was (is) beyond queer. He's "on another planet" strange. I've thought that many times. lol.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Andy always had good looking women. Pretty sure Flloyd was queer. I wouldn't be surprised if he abused Gomer.

Are you saying that good looking women can't be lesbians?

And you're just smacking on Flloyd the druggy cuz he wrote GOOD BDSM poetry. (See! At least I can stay on topic unlike all of you other perverts!!!!!)

 

[PandoraGlitters]

Are you saying that good looking women can't be lesbians?

And you're just smacking on Flloyd the druggy cuz he wrote GOOD BDSM poetry. (See! At least I can stay on topic unlike all of you other perverts!!!!!)

I SafeBet

Thinking about Aunt Bea in a whole new way . . .

 

[bflagsst]

"Anyway, you're so concentrated on "words" as opposed to the ideas that those words represent. The list of words is about marking the power relations that define whatever bdsm is. "

--Ah, the "What I meant to say was..." defense. Gotcha.


It's clear enough I'm talking about power relations as soon as Master and Slave are given as representative of a fetish and a type of poetry. I just have to keep repeating it, 'bdsm is the power relations fetish', because no one's interested enough in what I'm talking about. Which means I should go back where I came from. You're here to play a game, you and Senna Jawa say exactly the same thing and use the same Rabelaisian scene break downs. You don't post your poems under Homburg, you post them under Senna Jawa and they were probably all written decades ago because you're old and dried up. I'm not going to stimulate your rational mind anymore, you can go and read Gauss' Arithmetic Discussions if you're feeling intellectually lonely. You said this was psuedo and anti-intellectual conversation, yet you keep returning. Everyone else is on to something else, but no, Homburger needs to partake in psuedo and anti-intellectual converse with bflagsst.

Homburger is Senna Jawa or Homburger is not Senna Jawa.

Re: Writerdom, not for Homburger/SennaJawain eyes

I make a distinction in sadism because a. dom and sub "games" mimic clinically sadistic/masochistic behaviour b. sadistic/masochistic behaviour is present in the pantheon of human sexual relations. That's why the spectre of penetration made its appearance back in the second page. The living, breathing sadist is as clear a distinction as that which makes a person homo or hetero. The sadist's pleasure is in injuring another, injuring the masochist past their pain/pleasure threshold. Just to be clear, heterosexual and homosexual sexual relations also mimic sadistic and masochistic behaviour, just to varying degrees beneath that of the sub/dom game, and well beneath whatever the clincal sadist does.

 

[bflagsst]

Hey Angeline or Eve, how do new poems get posted? Do you have to read every one and then post them, or is it something more magical, some anonymous sprite waiting in the wings?

 

[WickedEve]

Hey Angeline or Eve, how do new poems get posted? Do you have to read every one and then post them, or is it something more magical, some anonymous sprite waiting in the wings?/QUOTE

Yes.

 

[WickedEve]

Are you saying that good looking women can't be lesbians?

And you're just smacking on Flloyd the druggy cuz he wrote GOOD BDSM poetry. (See! At least I can stay on topic unlike all of you other perverts!!!!!)

All good looking women are lesbians. The rest of us are homely and burdened with cocks and balls in our faces.