What do conservatives have against labor unions?
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IN the marketplace, yea, and republicans don't have a problem with it.
It's the public sector unionization and institutionally empowered unionization that gives disproportionate power to a handful of whiners they take issue with.
But when a public-sector union negotiates, that is still bargaining in the marketplace.
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Civil services are not a marketplace.
A cop, judge or teacher shouldn't get to negotiate shit anymore than a federal employee does.
The elected officials should be setting standardized pay grades based on positions/qualifications along with a standardize public employee benefits package just like all the other gubmint goonz. Do government work, get government pay/benefits. You want to play capitalism games get the fuck out of government work.
You want to be in a union fine, go get a valuable skill and organize the shit to force people to pay you more for it cool. But it has to be organic, no government guns to come help you effectively rob people or harm their business under threat of legal action. That's un-American commie bullshit.
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There is a long history of conservative war on unions -- especially in America where it sometimes took the form of actual warfare with guns -- and it is by no means limited to public-sector unions, those are only a trivial sideshow in all that.
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I was talking about the modern GOP.
And yea, we're a liberal nation founded on liberal principles. Not a communist nation founded on EVIL.
There was never anything evil about labor unions, including those few with Communist influences.
This would be a better world now if the One Big Union had caught on . . . though that idea was really not so much Communist as Anarcho-Syndicalist.
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Nah, it sucked then and it would suck now. Bad ideas die for a reason.
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As a conservative I have been a member of 4 Unions. Two teacher's Unions, AFSME and the IAFF. Why? Because they got us better pay, better benefits, protected retirement, and job security.
The biggest issue with Unions is that people that aren't Union members have this deluded idea that Unions are like some bullet proof shield for shitty employees. The only time that's true is if management doesn't follow the contract in attempting to discipline or fire the employee. The contract spells out what must be done, if management follows the contract they certainly can discipline and fire shitty employees. I saw it done multiple times.
The biggest issue with Unions is that people that aren't Union members have this deluded idea that Unions are like some bullet proof shield for shitty employees. The only time that's true is if management doesn't follow the contract in attempting to discipline or fire the employee. The contract spells out what must be done, if management follows the contract they certainly can discipline and fire shitty employees. I saw it done multiple times.
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Couldn't get that government job could you? I bet you wanted to be a firefighter and couldn't pass the tests. So now your a bitter asshole that wants government employees to suffer crappy wages, crappy health care, crappy retirement and no job security. How about you grow up? People have the right to Unionize and bargain in most states.
For now.
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You think maybe that always seeing Unions acting like shields for shitty employees, might have something to do with that??
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Why would I want to be poor?
I never said they didn't. I said civil services aren't a public market. Because they aren't.
How about you toughen up there puss puss, your skin is paper fuckin' thin. Must be all that time in the public baby sitting centers.
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Thanks for proving my point. You really don't get it.
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Funny man. I'm still betting you got passed over and now you're bitter. As for me, I'm enjoying my well deserved retirement.
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Says the guy who gets a check from the government.
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Nope.
And not that it would matter because that's not communism....ignorant fucking tard. You sure you're not a public school teacher? You're almost fucking stupid enough.....
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Still the same BoBo melt down when he gets hit with facts.
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Franklin D. Roosevelt
Letter on the Resolution of Federation of Federal Employees Against Strikes in Federal Service
August 16, 1937My dear Mr. Steward:
As I am unable to accept your kind invitation to be present on the occasion of the Twentieth Jubilee Convention of the National Federation of Federal Employees, I am taking this method of sending greetings and a message.
Reading your letter of July 14, 1937, I was especially interested in the timeliness of your remark that the manner in which the activities of your organization have been carried on during the past two decades "has been in complete consonance with the best traditions of public employee relationships." Organizations of Government employees have a logical place in Government affairs.
The desire of Government employees for fair and adequate pay, reasonable hours of work, safe and suitable working conditions, development of opportunities for advancement, facilities for fair and impartial consideration and review of grievances, and other objectives of a proper employee relations policy, is basically no different from that of employees in private industry. Organization on their part to present their views on such matters is both natural and logical, but meticulous attention should be paid to the special relationships and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government.
All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.
Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that "under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government."
I congratulate the National Federation of Federal Employees the twentieth anniversary of its founding and trust that the convention will, in every way, be successful.
Very sincerely yours,
Mr. Luther C. Steward,
President,
National Federation of Federal Employees,
10 Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D.C.
APP Note: Although this letter appears to be signed, "Very sincerely yours, Mr. Luther C. Steward, President, National Federation of Federal Employees, 10 Independence Avenue, S.W., Washington, D.C.," the letter is from Roosevelt to Steward. The placement of the addressee's name and address at the bottom of the document was an editorial decision in the original "Public Papers and Addresses of Franklin D. Roosevelt." The American Presidency Project's policy is to reproduce documents in their original form.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...ral-employees-against-strikes-federal-service
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What facts? You have yet to post any. You're barely even literate and even that is questionable.
What meltdown?? Your fantasies aren't facts.
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