Are you familiar with this?

[jaF0]

https://reddit.com/r/literotica/


Somebody from Lit is posting there. Not sure if it's Laurel or Manu, but it's clear they know the inner workings and are involved.

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[AwkwardlySet]

Interesting.



Seems to me that they are using it for the exact thing all of us authors here crave but can't have because of Literotica's bad and outdated interface, the huge delay with comments, and so on.
Figures.

It would be the peak of hypocrisy if Manu and Laurel had a hand in it.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Yeah, this is a site admin membership for sure!

 

[MillieDynamite]

I think having a place where we can post links to our works that people are actually looking for works, like ours, is a good idea.

Interesting.

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Seems to me that they are using it for the exact thing all of us authors here crave but can't have because of Literotica's bad and outdated interface, the huge delay with comments, and so on.
Figures.

It would be the peak of hypocrisy if Manu and Laurel had a hand in it.

 

[jaF0]

"Literotica

u/LitLits

182
Karma
158 Post Karma
24 Comment Karma
8 years ago
Joined Aug 24, 2016

Official account of Literotica, the world's most popular community of adult fiction authors and readers since 1998. We are also on Twitter as @Literotica. We can't reply to every message, but please feel free to contact us anytime with feedback and suggestions."

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Which one?


I've seen notices about downtimes and expected resolutions posted there.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I think having a place where we can post links to our works that people are actually looking for works, like ours, is a good idea.

Absolutely, and that place should be Literotica itself, but it isn't because Laurel and Manu don't give a rat's ass about what we want.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

"Literotica

u/LitLits

182
Karma
158 Post Karma
24 Comment Karma
8 years ago
Joined Aug 24, 2016

Official account of Literotica, the world's most popular community of adult fiction authors and readers since 1998. We are also on Twitter as @Literotica. We can't reply to every message, but please feel free to contact us anytime with feedback and suggestions."

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Which one?


I've seen notices about downtimes and expected resolutions posted there.

That account seems to be the official account of Literotica and is listed as a moderator for the thread you linked first. Love the hypocrisy.

 

[alohadave]

Love the hypocrisy.

I can't wait to hear how this is hypocritical.

 

[Tio_Narratore]

https://reddit.com/r/literotica/


Somebody from Lit is posting there. Not sure if it's Laurel or Manu, but it's clear they know the inner workings and are involved.

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You're a Mod; can't you ask Laurel and Manu drectly?

 

[ronde]

Absolutely, and that place should be Literotica itself, but it isn't because Laurel and Manu don't give a rat's ass about what we want.

Not trying to start a fight here, but Laurel is paying for the bandwidth and all of us are skating along free. What does she get in return for giving you free advertising for stories you have elsewhere?

 

[jaF0]

I see it as an alternative contact/information place when things go offline here.

 

[lovecraft68]

Absolutely, and that place should be Literotica itself, but it isn't because Laurel and Manu don't give a rat's ass about what we want.

Why should they when they have a legion of bootlicks and the obvious site mole to come running in here to say don't like it, leave or to 'litsplain' and tell you nothing is wrong.

Honestly, although I know there's some good stuff in parts of Reddit, I've always seen it as one the internet's ghettos and would never go there.

Company you keep and all that as far as I'm concerned.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Not trying to start a fight here, but Laurel is paying for the bandwidth and all of us are skating along free. What does she get in return for giving you free advertising for stories you have elsewhere?

I am not trying to start a fight either. I'd also rather not repeat all the arguments that I've voiced many times before.
For the record though, I have no stories elsewhere that need advertising. This is pretty much the scope of my interest - writing these free stories and hopefully getting some feedback in return, some engagement and interaction with readers.
Also, being such a long-time member, I am sure you know that Literotica profits from the traffic, much more so than it spends on bandwidth. Whether the site's potential is used fully or not is up to debate, but I doubt anyone here thinks that there is no good profit here for Literotica owners. That very profit was made possible by our stories, yours, mine... so it should be at least partly a quid pro quo, except that the quo part is very thin right now.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Why should they when they have a legion of bootlicks and the obvious site mole to come running in here to say don't like it, leave or to 'litsplain' and tell you nothing is wrong.

I have gotten my share of those "if you don't like it here, leave," arguments and I kinda cherish them now. Those never fail to amuse me. Although I barely get much engagement these days, people here already know me too well

But yeah, it feels strange that some people react so belligerently when Lit is being criticized. To be fair, I'd say that some of them probably have a deep emotional attachment to the website that makes them lash out rather than some vested interest. Oh well.

 

[lovecraft68]

Not trying to start a fight here, but Laurel is paying for the bandwidth and all of us are skating along free. What does she get in return for giving you free advertising for stories you have elsewhere?

No, we're paying for that bandwidth because with no stories, there is no traffic and no one paying to advertise.

 

[lovecraft68]

I have gotten my share of those "if you don't like it here, leave," arguments and I kinda cherish them now. Those never fail to amuse me. Although I barely get much engagement these days, people here already know me too well

But yeah, it feels strange that some people react so belligerently when Lit is being criticized. To be fair, I'd say that some of them probably have a deep emotional attachment to the website that makes them lash out rather than some vested interest. Oh well.

As I said in the thread I posted last week, those people are why I didn't leave years ago when I felt I'd pretty much learned what I needed here, but decided to spend the next twelve years rubbing my numbers and success in their faces.

Which in turn has helped the site because we're all draws here for the readers, but I don't mind helping as long as I can get some pettiness out of it.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm not seeing the hypocrisy. It exists; Laurel and Manu, or somebody acting on their behalf, appear to be doing the mod work to keep it running; it seems to be useful to readers. This is a problem why?

I can understand why some would prefer something like this to be run here, integrated with Literotica accounts. I can also see some arguments against doing it that way; it avoids the need for readers to create an account on a dedicated "porn" site, which has privacy risks. It's hard to see how it's a big deal given that any author here who wants to use that community can just create a Reddit account and wade in.

But even if having it here would be better than having it there, how is it hypocrisy? Have I missed something?

 

[SimonDoom]

I also don't understand what the hypocrisy is. I looked at the linked thread and thought, "OK. So What?"

What is the complaint? I don't get it.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I'll be creating a Reddit account to post links to my stories here there. And if I get followers there, I will post links to my pay pages where they can drop a dime on me. That's a win-win for me.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I also don't understand what the hypocrisy is. I looked at the linked thread and thought, "OK. So What?"

What is the complaint? I don't get it.

The hypocrisy is not in the link, of course, but in what the link implies. The website has been vehement in its silence to our suggestions and pleas about improving comments, about having a blog, and basically about everything we suggested that could improve the interaction with readers and the feedback we get from them. They have been dead silent about all of it. It's their choice, fine.
But apparently, they have the time and the motivation to support, moderate, and post on a Reddit thread intended for readers to link and talk about Lit stories they liked. I can't even remember the last time our admins posted anything in AH, except for the few topics Manu himself created to get some technical feedback from us. Ironic that.

What I also want to point out is that nobody here knew about this thread until now (correct me if I'm wrong), and I haven't even seen a post or announcement from Literotica where they promoted the thread among authors so we could join it and at least engage the readers there if we aren't getting any concessions here. I mean, if you don't care about the improvement of feedback on Lit, why support it on Reddit where it doesn't benefit those who contribute to Literotica? And even if we all knew about it and tried to participate, it's obvious that feedback there and feedback here are not the same thing for us authors. Not by a long shot.
Maybe hypocrisy isn't the dominant aspect of this kind of behavior, maybe it is. But either way, it's there - in my eyes at least.

 

[SimonDoom]

The hypocrisy is not in the link, of course, but in what the link implies. The website has been vehement in its silence to our suggestions and pleas about improving comments, about having a blog, and basically about everything we suggested that could improve the interaction with readers and the feedback we get from them. They have been dead silent about all of it. It's their choice, fine.
But apparently, they have the time and the motivation to support, moderate, and post on a Reddit thread intended for readers to link and talk about Lit stories they liked. I can't even remember the last time our admins posted anything in AH, except for the few topics Manu himself created to get some technical feedback from us. Ironic that.

What I also want to point out is that nobody here knew about this thread until now (correct me if I'm wrong), and I haven't even seen a post or announcement from Literotica where they promoted the thread among authors so we could join it and at least engage the readers there if we aren't getting any concessions here. I mean, if you don't care about the improvement of feedback on Lit, why support it on Reddit where it doesn't benefit those who contribute to Literotica? And even if we all knew about it and tried to participate, it's obvious that feedback there and feedback here are not the same thing for us authors. Not by a long shot.
Maybe hypocrisy isn't the dominant aspect of this kind of behavior, maybe it is. But either way, it's there - in my eyes at least.

I'm not the most technologically proficient person in this forum (to put it mildly), and I'm not getting this, so be patient. I checked out that Reddit page. How do we know Laurel or Manu are responsible for it or moderating it?

Suppose they are. It looks like it's just another means of marketing Literotica. It's been around since 2009. When I checked there were 6 members logged into it. So, that's small potatoes. It looks like it's mainly a way for participants in the Reddit page to inquire about stories of a certain type. People can do that here, too.

Literotica has a Twitter/X page too.

There are lots of ways in which I think the Literotica owners could improve the service they offer here. I just don't understand accusations of "hypocrisy." I don't know anything--nor do you--about what it takes them to run this place, or how much they have in time or resources to improve the place. I know nothing at all. Neither do you. I understand wanting things to be different but I don't understand the intensity of discontent. I'm very happy with what I get here. I don't pay anything and I get abundant rewards from posting stories, getting feedback, and participating in this crazy forum.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I don't know anything--nor do you--about what it takes them to run this place, or how much they have in time or resources to improve the place. I know nothing at all. Neither do you.

See, this is the part where I wholeheartedly agree with you. But so many people on AH post as if they are in the know and they often shower Lit threads with praise towards Laurel and Manu about how hard their work on Lit is, how much is appreciated what they are doing out of the goodness of their hearts, etc etc. Yet I've never seen anyone call all those people out for talking so positively about things they couldn't possibly know.
I, of course, get called out every time I paint Laurel and Manu's attitude in a negative light. How dare I insinuate and how dare I act as if I am in the know. Funny, eh?

I understand wanting things to be different but I don't understand the intensity of discontent.

I understand what you mean here but I already said why I resort to these extremes in a reply to you specifically in one of the older threads.
The answer sort of stems from what I said above and I don't intend to repeat that post again.

 

[alohadave]

But apparently, they have the time and the motivation to support, moderate, and post on a Reddit thread intended for readers to link and talk about Lit stories they liked.

They have made 158 posts in 8 years. Not exactly a lot of posting activity. It works out to an average of almost 20 posts a year. And if you look at the posting history, there are years long gaps in posts.

Being a mod on a subreddit isn't much work if you aren't actually doing anything there.

But so many people on AH post as if they are in the know and they often shower Lit threads with praise towards Laurel and Manu about how hard their work on Lit is, how much is appreciated what they are doing out of the goodness of their hearts, etc etc. Yet I've never seen anyone call all those people out for talking so positively about things they couldn't possibly know.
I, of course, get called out every time I paint Laurel and Manu's attitude in a negative light. How dare I insinuate and how dare I act as if I am in the know. Funny, eh?

Well both sides are in the wrong in this. You don't know any more than the people who think they know how the site works. You aren't more knowledgeable than anyone else. What gets people about your attitude is that it is relentlessly negative and doomer. Maybe people don't want to read your diatribes (and it's not just you) about how the site is run and they are calling you out on that.

 

[Britva415]

No, we're paying for that bandwidth because with no stories, there is no traffic and no one paying to advertise.

So...

You're an advertiser?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

What gets people about your attitude is that it is relentlessly negative and doomer. Maybe people don't want to read your diatribes (and it's not just you) about how the site is run and they are calling you out on that.

Yet those same people have no problem with the countless panegyrics about the website and its owners, even if those are just as unfounded as my diatribes.
My somewhat excessive negativity is purely reactionary and designed to provoke a discussion. Once people grow some backbone and at least an ounce of objectivity about these things, I'll be more than happy to tone it down.
I also want to point out that I've never been exclusively critical towards the site. There are multiple aspects of it that I've always supported and I've voiced that support many times. Yet there are about a handful of people here who have ever dared to voice proper criticism when it was warranted.