Do you own your body?

Apparently the state should take custody of the pregnant woman's body in the name of the fetus.

So the state and fetus owns the woman's body but not the woman.

If a man can't admit that this discussion wouldn't be occurring if it were men that gestated and gave birth then they are not to be taken seriously. Even less so if they disagree with the medical recommendations.
 
In some cases, such as addicts, for example, the unborn receives court protection by ordering the negligent “host” to be put in hospital or treatment.

The overlap of rights creates some interesting outcomes.

So then women should be treated like children, wards of the state is the comparison you want to make.
 
Is he arguing for a return of patria potestas? I don't think that this will work in the United States, even if Tucker Carlson, Kevin Roberts, and Donald Trump want it. It didn't even survive in ancient Rome, where it originated. Most families aren't in La Cosa Nostra.
 
If a man can't admit that this discussion wouldn't be occurring if it were men that gestated and gave birth then they are not to be taken seriously.
Given how men have been treated by the draft and their forced obligations for children they do not want, your claim men would get special treatment is hilariously naive and ignorant.

Men often get forced to pay for children that aren't even biologically theirs.

If women are so terrified of pregnancy and losing their 'right' to kill a fetus, then just adopt the standard that is argued for men: don't have sex and/or don't engage in any kind of sex that risks pregnancy. Problem solved.

If you seriously suggest that avoiding sex or avoiding potential reproductive sex is a problem for women, you're literally arguing women lack the capacity to control their own sexual drive.
 
Given how men have been treated by the draft and their forced obligations for children they do not want, your claim men would get special treatment is hilariously naive and ignorant.

Men often get forced to pay for children that aren't even biologically theirs.

If women are so terrified of pregnancy and losing their 'right' to kill a fetus, then just adopt the standard that is argued for men: don't have sex and/or don't engage in any kind of sex that risks pregnancy. Problem solved.

If you seriously suggest that avoiding sex or avoiding potential reproductive sex is a problem for women, you're literally arguing women lack the capacity to control their own sexual drive.


Cool, let's pay women and provide all the benefits we do for them just like with draftees.

Medical, housing, education, life insurance etc. I didn't know you were that progressive.

Oh my bad it's just your usual list of bullshit grievances.
 
Cool, let's pay women and provide all the benefits we do for them just like with draftees.

Medical, housing, education, life insurance etc. I didn't know you were that progressive.
So you're in favour of the government drafting women to be mothers for children. Interesting perspective.
 
The Marquis de Sade was in favor of drafting women to serve in state brothels. We should look into that.
 
So you're in favour of the government drafting women to be mothers for children. Interesting perspective.

You wanted to take the mantle of heroic persecution with the draft - which does not exist - as a comparison.

I see you don't like how that plays out given your asinine conclusion.
 
Given how men have been treated by the draft and their forced obligations for children they do not want, your claim men would get special treatment is hilariously naive and ignorant.

Men often get forced to pay for children that aren't even biologically theirs.

If women are so terrified of pregnancy and losing their 'right' to kill a fetus, then just adopt the standard that is argued for men: don't have sex and/or don't engage in any kind of sex that risks pregnancy. Problem solved.

If you seriously suggest that avoiding sex or avoiding potential reproductive sex is a problem for women, you're literally arguing women lack the capacity to control their own sexual drive.
Look, I think that Selective Service needs to be either be equal or abolished. But that's not quite the same thing. It's bad, but it thankfully hasn't resulted in a draft in over fifty years. Thankfully.

Paternity fraud is also bad, but it doesn't risk sepsis and infections, real physical, bodily trauma, either.

The grievances of us men are bad, but those of women forced to carry to term are worse. It's a matter of perspective and of degree.

You know the solution? An Equal Rights Amendment with gender-neutral language. That would begin to correct the grievances of both in time, though it wouldn't happen all at once.
 
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You wanted to take the mantle of heroic persecution with the draft - which does not exist - as a comparison.

I see you don't like how that plays out given your asinine conclusion.

If I considered the two miscreants you have been slapping around in these recent exchanges to be men, I would be embarrassed for my gender - but I dont, so…carry on!!!

(It’s mildly entertaining).

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You wanted to take the mantle of heroic persecution with the draft - which does not exist - as a comparison.
You don't seem to grasp the different here.

A draftee is being compensated (maybe, if they're lucky) for service that is not voluntary.

On the other hand, a person having voluntary reproductive sex expects compensation if they are expected to deal with the consequences of their personal choices?

Not the same at all by a long shot, and a distraction from what my actual point was. That point being you claiming society bends over backwards to accomodate men, whereas I pointed out the draft and enforced providing child support completely disproves your claim.

Let me word it as simply as possible for you: the existence of the draft and enforced child support disproves your claim society caters to men's desires and preferences on issues.
 
Look, I think that Selective Service needs to be either be equal or abolished.
A fair assessment, within certain ideological parameters.
The grievances of us men are bad, but those of women forced to carry to term are worse. It's a matter of perspective and of degree.
My point was to dispute adrina's claim that society caters to men's desires or preferences, whereas she was claiming if men were the ones getting pregnant, society would suddenly be all pro abortion.

And I point out things like the draft clearly disprove that, where men's lives, physicsl and psychological well being are historically and still considered lesser than society's needs/desires.
 
Interesting fact: Roughly half of all human pregnancies end in miscarriage.

Usually, this happens so early the woman does not even know she was pregnant -- she thinks she just had a heavy period.
 
Lance appears to be headed for the kind of meltdown that will get him banned again. I wonder if his lack of impulse control is caused by Alzheimer’s?
Good call. Lace just got banhammered.

Edit: He's back. I swear I saw the usual "cannot be found" banhammer message earlier.
WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?
 
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