Candace Owens banned from Australia

[Bray123]

'Australia rejects visa application by right-wing US pundit Candace Owens'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lication-by-rightwing-us-pundit-candace-owens

“From downplaying the impact of the Holocaust with comments about [notorious Nazi doctor Josef] Mengele through to claims that Muslims started slavery, Candace Owens has the capacity to incite discord in almost every direction,” (Immigration minister Tony Burke) said on Sunday.

“Australia’s national interest is best served when Candace Owens is somewhere else.”

 

[Saint_Ann]

Australia has a long history of racism towards black skinned people. Plus it's like 20 hours away from civilization. That, and I've never heard of her.

 

[lessOHmo]

Who the fuck gives a shit

Why the fuck do you post this shit

 

[Politruk]

Who the fuck gives a shit

Why the fuck do you post this shit

That would apply better to nearly all of your threads.

 

[Saint_Ann]

That would apply better to nearly all of your threads.

Quoted for irony.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Who the fuck gives a shit

Why the fuck do you post this shit

moOHmo can’t figure out what’s happening around it. It is a mental gimp.

 

[Politruk]

That, and I've never heard of her.

She's this.

I'm not a flat earther. I'm not a round earther. Actually, what I am is I am somebody who has left the cult of science. I have left the megachurch of science because what I have now realized is that science, what it is actually, if you think about it, is a pagan faith.

 

[SimonDoom]

Regardless of what one thinks of Candace Owens (my opinion is extremely low), this isn't something to celebrate. It's to a country's discredit when it prevents somebody from visiting because of their political views. That shouldn't happen, ever, period.

 

[coati]

Oh cool, Austrailia's Immigration Minister has triggered Lit's MAGAts, plus the guy who thinks Holocaust denial is simply a benign "political view".

Australia can deny visas to anyone they choose, you whiny snowflakes.

 

[SimonDoom]

Oh cool, Austrailia's Immigration Minister has triggered Lit's MAGAts, plus the guy who thinks Holocaust denial is simply a benign "political view".

Australia can deny visas to anyone they choose, you whiny snowflakes.

It doesn't matter whether it's a political view, or any other kind of view. People shouldn't be denied visas on the basis of views. That's what freedom of speech entails.

What she says does not constitute legal "incitement," so it shouldn't be prohibited and it shouldn't be a basis for preventing somebody from entering a country.

The snowflakes are those who want to use the power of government to ban and regulate speech they don't like. I oppose that, across the board, regardless of political orientation.

 

[Politruk]

Regardless of what one thinks of Candace Owens (my opinion is extremely low), this isn't something to celebrate. It's to a country's discredit when it prevents somebody from visiting because of their political views. That shouldn't happen, ever, period.

After King Edward VIII of the UK (who was very pro-German) abdicated, he went to Berlin to plot with Hitler. The idea was that the Duke of Windsor would become the figurehead of an international movement for peace on Germany's terms. Nothing ever came of that, because FDR would not let him into the United States -- which had a powerful isolationist/pro-German movement at the time.

Sometimes, keeping somebody out of a country for purely political reasons does make sense.

Not to imply that any reasons that compelling apply in Owens' case.

 

[SimonDoom]

After King Edward VIII of the UK (who was very pro-German) abdicated, he went to Berlin to plot with Hitler. The idea was that the Duke of Windsor would become the figurehead of an international movement for peace on Germany's terms. Nothing ever came of that, because FDR would not let him into the United States -- which had a powerful isolationist/pro-German movement at the time.

Sometimes, keeping somebody out of a country does make sense.

Not to imply that any reasons that compelling apply in Owens' case.

It's not even remotely like Candace Owens' case. But even in that case, I probably would oppose FDR's decision. People have a right to say what they want and government shouldn't stop them.

 

[Bn2f]

Australia has a long history of racism towards black skinned people. Plus it's like 20 hours away from civilization. That, and I've never heard of her.

no one want blacks anywhere near them

they are a disease and criminals

 

[Saint_Ann]

Australia also banned Snoop Dogg.

 

[coati]

It doesn't matter whether it's a political view, or any other kind of view. People shouldn't be denied visas on the basis of views. That's what freedom of speech entails.

What she says does not constitute legal "incitement," so it shouldn't be prohibited and it shouldn't be a basis for preventing somebody from entering a country.

The snowflakes are those who want to use the power of government to ban and regulate speech they don't like. I oppose that, across the board, regardless of political orientation.

The First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution does not apply to visa decisions made in other nations. Australia decided that it was not in their national interest for Ms. Owens to be spouting off her conspiracy theories in person within their nation. That's their choice.

People in Austrailia can still read her bullshit on line if they choose to.

Just because you are an American does not mean that other nations are required to grant you physical access.

 

[Bray123]

It doesn't matter whether it's a political view, or any other kind of view. People shouldn't be denied visas on the basis of views. That's what freedom of speech entails.

What she says does not constitute legal "incitement," so it shouldn't be prohibited and it shouldn't be a basis for preventing somebody from entering a country.

The snowflakes are those who want to use the power of government to ban and regulate speech they don't like. I oppose that, across the board, regardless of political orientation.

A fair proportion of Americans think that visas should be denied because of the color of the person's skin, yet here we are.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Australia has a long history of racism towards black skinned people. Plus it's like 20 hours away from civilization. That, and I've never heard of her.

She's an African American White Nationalist, and a darling of white nationalist/KKK style Jim-Crow racists everywhere, basically for being self-loathing enough to adapt their own views.

 

[SimonDoom]

The First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution does not apply to visa decisions made in other nations. Australia decided that it was not in their national interest for Ms. Owens to be spouting off her conspiracy theories in person within their nation. That's their choice.

People in Austrailia can still read her bullshit on line if they choose to.

Just because you are an American does not mean that other nations are required to grant you physical access.

This is a discussion of principle, not the law. Australia has different laws and policies from those of the US. Its denial of her visa may well be in accord with its laws. But as a matter of principle, I think it's too bad. People in Australia who want to listen to what she has to say should be able to.

Personally, I think she's crazy and ignorant. I wouldn't want to listen to her. But that's not the test.

 

[Saint_Ann]

She's an African American White Nationalist, and a darling of white nationalist/KKK style Jim-Crow racists everywhere, basically for being self-loathing enough to adapt their own views.

A black chick who hates black people? Not sure that counts as racism.

 

[Lazaran]

You can’t choose your citizens, but you can choose your tourists.

 

[ll74]

A black chick who hates black people? Not sure that counts as racism.

But somehow I've (a white man) been told that I'm a racist because I hate white people.

Besides the fact that I don't, how would that square with your perspective here?

Sidenote: a racist, by definition, is someone who believes a race is either inferior (most of the time) or superior based on their racial characteristics (culture or identity)

 

[coati]

This is a discussion of principle, not the law. Australia has different laws and policies from those of the US. Its denial of her visa may well be in accord with its laws. But as a matter of principle, I think it's too bad. People in Australia who want to listen to what she has to say should be able to.

Personally, I think she's crazy and ignorant. I wouldn't want to listen to her. But that's not the test.

Anyone in Australia can read her statements online any time they want to.

They just don't want her recruiting for genocidal ideology in person any more than they would have wanted Josef Mengele himself recruiting in person.

You're just an example of liberalism run amuck.

 

[Saint_Ann]

But somehow I've (a white man) been told that I'm a racist because I hate white people.

Besides the fact that I don't, how would that square with your perspective here?

Sidenote: a racist, by definition, is someone who believes a race is either inferior (most of the time) or superior based on their racial characteristics (culture or identity)

This is the oddest conversation I've ever had.

 

[ll74]

This is the oddest conversation I've ever had.

I doubt that

 

[Philthy_Phil]

That would apply better to nearly all of your threads.

Pot, meet kettle.

You're a fucking moron, just like him.