Nobody seems to be discussing this about Project 2025

[Politruk]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

 

[SevMax2]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

Granted, there has been an unfortunate tendency by the administrative state to become a bit arrogant and disregard the policies instituted by the chief executive. Reinstating a "spoils system" isn't the answer.

 

[Politruk]

What's the "administrative state"? Every state is administrative. A county school district is an administrative state.

Every federal agency is presumed to have a certain sphere of autonomy -- every one has a mission statement, part of the legislation creating it, which does not change from one administration to the next.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

There are a baker's dozen threads on the topic including one with a ton of replies

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/project-2025-brown-shirts-and-black-boots.1599367/

 

[SevMax2]

What's the "administrative state"? Every state is administrative. A county school district is an administrative state.

Every federal agency is presumed to have a certain sphere of autonomy -- every one has a mission statement, part of the legislation creating it, which does not change from one administration to the next.

I am referring more to the idea of the bureaucratic agencies exercising a massive amount of control over the implementation of public policy issued by elected and accountable public officials.

 

[Politruk]

There are a baker's dozen threads on the topic including one with a ton of replies

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/project-2025-brown-shirts-and-black-boots.1599367/

They don't address this aspect.

 

[ChinoMoreno]

They don't address this aspect.

You read all 800+ posts in the main thread and all the posts in the other dozen threads?

Radical dude!

 

[Politruk]

I am referring more to the idea of the bureaucratic agencies exercising a massive amount of control over the implementation of public policy issued by elected and accountable public officials.

Is there any other way it could work?

 

[SevMax2]

Is there any other way it could work?

A bit more compliance with policies established by the duly elected head of state/head of government and their duly appointed (usually Senate-confirmed) civil officers. A bit less of an attempt to flout the lawful policies (we're not talking the kind of lawless policies that a Trump might impose, which are another issue) of the duly elected chief executive.

 

[Politruk]

A bit less of an attempt to flout the lawful policies . . . of the duly elected chief executive.

No instances come to mind.

 

[Politruk]

This subject now has renewed relevance.

 

[JohnEngelman]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

The Republican Party can no longer claim to be a conservative party. Now it is a reactionary party that wants to restore the economic status quo of the nineteenth century.

 

[Rightguide]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

How much of its 900 plus pages have you read?

 

[Politruk]

How much of its 900 plus pages have you read?

I've read this.

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Personnel change​

See also: Spoils system
Project 2025 proposes reclassifying tens of thousands of federal civil service workers as political appointees in order to replace them with Trump loyalists,[12] who would be more willing to bend or break protocol, or in some cases violate laws, to achieve his goals.[7] It established a personnel database shaped by Trump's ideology. The project uses a questionnaire to screen potential recruits for their adherence to the project's agenda.[4][177]

Throughout his presidency, Trump was accused of removing people he considered disloyal, regardless of their ideological conviction, such as former attorney general William Barr. In the last year of his presidency, White House Presidential Personnel Office employees James Bacon and John McEntee developed a questionnaire to test potential government employees' commitment to Trumpism. Bacon and McEntee joined the project in May 2023.[178] The project recommends that a White House Counsel be selected who is "deeply committed" to the president's "America First" agenda.[7][67]

Project 2025 is aligned with Trump's plans to fire more government employees than allocated to the president using Schedule F, a job classification Trump established in an October 2020 executive order.[179] Biden rescinded the classification in January 2021; Trump has said he would restore it. The Heritage Foundation plans to have 20,000 personnel in its database by the end of 2024.[67] Vought said that the project's goal to remove federal workers would be "a wrecking ball for the administrative state", where those that remained were demoralized and put "in trauma".[7][175]

As of 2024, only about 4,000 government positions are deemed political appointments. That could change with each administration.[7][67] Schedule F would affect tens of thousands of professional federal civil servants,[7] who have spent many years working under both Democratic and Republican administrations.[67] According to Donald Moynihan, a professor of public policy at Georgetown University, while the apolitical and meritocratic selection of public servants is vital to administrative functioning, the Republican Party increasingly views them and public sector unions as threats, or resources to be controlled.[180] In February 2024, Kevin Roberts said: "People will lose their jobs. Hopefully their lives are able to flourish in spite of that. Buildings will be shut down. Hopefully they can be repurposed for private industry."[181]

Project 2025 encourages the U.S. Congress to require federal contractors to be 70% American citizens, ultimately raising the limit to 95%.[117]

By June 2024, the American Accountability Foundation, a conservative opposition research organization led by Tom Jones, a former aide to Republican senators, was researching certain key high-ranking federal civil servants' backgrounds. Called Project Sovereignty 2025, the undertaking received a $100,000 grant from Heritage, with the objective of posting names on a website of 100 people who might oppose Trump's agenda. Announcing the grant in May 2024, Heritage wrote that the research's purpose was "to alert Congress, a conservative administration, and the American people to the presence of anti-American bad actors burrowed into the administrative state and ensure appropriate action is taken." Some found Project Sovereignty 2025 reminiscent of McCarthyism, when many Americans were persecuted and blacklisted as alleged communists.[182][183][184]

Political scientist Francis Fukuyama has said that while the federal bureaucracy is in dire need of reform, Schedule F would "dangerously undermine" the functionality of the government.[185]

 

[Politruk]

I mean, this is even worse than that "unitary executive" idea from the W Administration. A lot worse.

 

[Politruk]

The Republican Party can no longer claim to be a conservative party. Now it is a reactionary party that wants to restore the economic status quo of the nineteenth century.

The GOP has been steadily moving from conservative to reactionary ever since the Reagan years. No conservative would ever shout "End the Fed!" or "Lock her up!" or "Molon labe!"

 

[UltraChad]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

Oh noes the parasites will lose protection!!!

They'll all have to get actual jobs!!! OH NOES!!!! LOL

The Republican Party can no longer claim to be a conservative party. Now it is a reactionary party that wants to restore the economic status quo of the nineteenth century.

Conservatism isn't reactionism just because it triggers the comrades bigly.

There are a baker's dozen threads on the topic including one with a ton of replies

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/project-2025-brown-shirts-and-black-boots.1599367/

"NOT GETTING MY WAY MEANS NAZIS!!!" LOL

Actual race socialist calling others Nazis, brown shirts etc. will never get old.

 

[subdudeme13]

There are a baker's dozen threads on the topic including one with a ton of replies

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/project-2025-brown-shirts-and-black-boots.1599367/

Ignore the Russian

 

[UltraChad]

Ignore the Russian

Yes because anyone not licking Democrat boots is RUSSIAN BOTS!!! BOT BOT BOT!! LOL

 

[subdudeme13]

It took a long struggle in American history to replace the spoils system of patronage jobs in the federal civil service, as post-election rewards for the winner's supporters, with a professional, job-protected, politically independent civil service. Achieved by the Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1883.

Project 2025 would roll that back significantly -- vastly reducing the number of civil-service jobs and increasing the number of patronage jobs filled by the president's choice.

I've often heard it said RWs want turn back the clock to 1955.

But to 1882?!

Ignore the Russian

 

[subdudeme13]

Ignore the Russian

 

[Politruk]

Actual race socialist

You really are an idiot.

 

[UltraChad]

You really are an idiot.

Not at all wrong, that's why you can't try to argue it. They've been so overt and in everyone's face about it for so long how could you even try to argue otherwise??

You'll just get laughed at by anyone who doesn't receive their worldview from Salon/MSNBC.

 

[Politruk]

Every federal agency is presumed to have a certain sphere of autonomy -- every one has a mission statement, part of the legislation creating it, which does not change from one administration to the next.

Remember, this is the way it's supposed to work. Congress creates agencies with this in mind, and not with the intent that they will be the president's instruments.

 

[Politruk]

Has Trump said anything yet about implementing this element of P25?