Who do you think will win?

[SevMax2]

What should be done if a child repeatedly skips school and their parents refuse to address the issue?

The first step should be to contact the families, inquire into the circumstances of the absences, make sure that they are aware of the absences (they might be working extremely long hours at multiple jobs, often both parents do), see if maybe a member of the extended family can step in and help ensure their attendance, etc. See if maybe a transfer of schools is best, too. Maybe there is bullying involved. Maybe there is abuse. If your first communication with the parents is to threaten the possibility of incarceration, though, that's a bit hasty, wouldn't you say? At some point, there might have to be some visits from Child Protection Services, simply a welfare check, to make sure that they have acceptable living conditions, too. In extreme cases, loss of custody might have to be considered. That's still far less draconian than incarceration, which would result in loss of custody, anyway.

 

[adrina]

The first step should be to contact the families, inquire into the circumstances of the absences, make sure that they are aware of the absences (they might be working extremely long hours at multiple jobs, often both parents do), see if maybe a member of the extended family can step in and help ensure their attendance, etc. See if maybe a transfer of schools is best, too. Maybe there is bullying involved. Maybe there is abuse. If your first communication with the parents is to threaten the possibility of incarceration, though, that's a bit hasty, wouldn't you say? At some point, there might have to be some visits from Child Protection Services, simply a welfare check, to make sure that they have acceptable living conditions, too. In extreme cases, loss of custody might have to be considered. That's still far less draconian than incarceration, which would result in loss of custody, anyway.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codesw...e-story-behind-kamala-harriss-truancy-program

Your knowledge of the situation lacks nuance as well as additional information. The "punish the parents" part of the law was on the books. That was not her invention. Regardless, I'm sure you'll read this article with as much independence as you've been shown to display.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The first step should be to contact the families, inquire into the circumstances of the absences, make sure that they are aware of the absences (they might be working extremely long hours at multiple jobs, often both parents do), see if maybe a member of the extended family can step in and help ensure their attendance, etc. See if maybe a transfer of schools is best, too. Maybe there is bullying involved. Maybe there is abuse. If your first communication with the parents is to threaten the possibility of incarceration, though, that's a bit hasty, wouldn't you say? At some point, there might have to be some visits from Child Protection Services, simply a welfare check, to make sure that they have acceptable living conditions, too. In extreme cases, loss of custody might have to be considered. That's still far less draconian than incarceration, which would result in loss of custody, anyway.

You and Vice President Harris both support taking children away from parents who neglect them. Nevertheless, you find her position disqualifies her for the Presidency.

I submit that you're grasping at straws to manufacture a false equivalency between her and Donald Trump.

 

[SevMax2]

You and Vice President Harris both support taking children away from parents who neglect them. Nevertheless, you find her position disqualifies her for the Presidency.

I submit that you're grasping at straws to manufacture a false equivalency between her and Donald Trump.

My position doesn't include incarceration as an option. Hers does. That is a crucial difference. I submit that you're woefully naïve in this and other matters, and that someday, you'll find out just how naïve, but probably too late. These days, you're either cynical or naïve. There is no alternative to these.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

My position doesn't include incarceration as an option. Hers does. That is a crucial difference.

Are you opposed to jail time for parents who beat or starve their children?

 

[SevMax2]

Are you opposed to jail time for parents who beat or starve their children?

No, but those are acts of violence and life-threatening neglect, not something that is less physically harmful or less of an imminent peril.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No, but those are acts of violence and life-threatening neglect, not something that is less physically harmful or less of an imminent peril.

Neglecting a child's education stunts them for life. School is free. Not sending your child to school is as harmful as starving them or hitting them.

 

[SevMax2]

Neglecting a child's education stunts them for life. School is free. Not sending your child to school is as harmful as starving them or hitting them.

Harmful, yes. Imminent, physical jeopardy, no.

 

[Lazaran]

Yes, Kamala Harris did push for a law to that provided penalties for parents who were neglecting their children by allowing them to skip school. Some laws are good. This was a good law.

We actually had debates (arguments really) about this in my circle of professionals in the psych field, and the ultimate argument that won the day for the necessity of incarceration in certain cases, was the fact that some kids were missing school because their own parents (gang members themselves) were recruiting them into gang activities (drug deliveries, theft, etc,) because the parent already had a conviction, and a minor would receive little to no major consequences if caught.

Once the parent in those kinds of situations became exposed to legal consequences for their children’s school absences, their calculus was more likely to change, and they were more likely to change their behavior and that of their child. (So we concluded)

The law Kamala Harris promoted was the product of years of thoughtful debate and consideration, and it’s most severe consequences were only meant to be applied in the most extreme circumstances. Kamala Harris isn’t / wasn’t responsible for every dickhead right wing prosecutor who wants / wanted to make a name for themselves with splashy arrests under that particular law. (A suspicious person might submit that certain cases were brought against people like Cheree Peoples by right wing prosecutors to make Kamala Harris look bad and turn voters of color against her.)

It is a good law, on balance, and there is a lot of nuance in the reasons it was considered necessary in the first place, and in the reasons it is implemented / enforced in certain situations.

Here’s a good read on how the law is currently implemented:

https://edsource.org/2024/californi...fore-enforcing-state-truancy-law/716934?amp=1

Of course, all of that ^ nuanced explanations for the law still isn’t / won’t be good enough for "some people", because "reasons" something something "not perfect" something something".

 

[SevMax2]

It should be noted that, of the elections, the record for Trump is two losses (2018 and 2020), one draw (2022), and one win (2016). Not exactly the most stellar record. Not a huge amount of winning there. The GOP hasn't done well in electoral terms under his command. Just speaking in practical terms, as far as electability is concerned.

 

[colddiesel]

Four weeks to go and there seems to be very little movement to either candidate. Despite a very clear win to Harris in the debate, it seemed to have little effect on voting intentions. To my mind both candidates are concentrating too much on their respective donors interests and on the final run in need to give ( at least promise) something to the voters. They can then both renege after the election and cosy up to their donors and lobbyists.

My bet, the disgusting criminal filth Trump to win fairly easily, though Harris will take the popular vote. Though if anyone remembers 1992, a lot can change in the last four weeks.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Look at the numbers.

The debates meant nothing.

Everyone has made up their minds save the fickle...

Our fate will be decided by the wet-finger prevailing winds the day that handful votes.

Polls are only telling us what we already know; on the brink of a civil war of one sort or another...

 

[JohnEngelman]

I predict Harris wins narrowly in the popular vote and Trump will win narrowly in the Electoral College. Neither will have a mandate, but Trump will get his way because of the Republican Supreme Court. As a result, the rich will benefit from tax cuts for the rich. Working class and middle class people will not benefit economically, but most whites will approve of Trumps policies on social issues, especially on race, crime, and immigration. Those three are the most popular Republican issues. Consumer prices will rise because of Trump's tariffs on imported goods. The national debt will rise dramatically. The environment will become dirtier, and the climate will become hotter because of Trump's repealing of environmental regulations.

Unless the second Trump administration provokes a powerful backlash, it will be bad for the United States and the world. Republican politicians who know enough to oppose Trump will be afraid to because of Trump's cult like following.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

You had me right up to the comma...,

 

[Rightguide]

So it would seem...

Yes, Vice President Harris is in the lead in the polls, and as I said in prior posting, I expect her to win. President Biden would have won, but he’s out due to coup.

Confession: I am not a fan of polls, but was drawn in by the topic, made a comment and then polls were introduced, so this is why I say something that counters current polling. That is all, but it did get me to thinking about the sub-topic (somewhat less than topic) and generated a response (not a rebuttal or disputation of the polls, they could be 100% spot on, Ouija Board or the Butcher’s Thumb).

As an avid hobbyist and observer of chaotic systems, a programmer involved in modeling and a devotee of Hari Seldon, I’ll make some general comments about the nature of a group of people. I think we can all accept that, when it comes to ideas, one person is agreeable, two people can reach an understanding that is satisfactory to them (free market), and three people cannot agree on lunch (committee).

[Unless it’s a Democracy and two cannibals and Joe Biden’s uncle are deciding on lunch under a coconut tree.
Should I leave that in? I am the headliner…,]

First premise is then that we are a nation of disagreeable, but intelligent, people that have to agree to get things done, that is to compromise, accept the beneficial (or benign) and forgo the perfect, so we form groups, alliances, vehicles in which to enforce agreements and to resolve agreements gone bad, we are therefore compelled to form a government.
Second premise naturally follows: our government is the culmination of this system of alliances something all of us accept but rarely, if ever, are satisfied with.
Thirdly, our government evolved into a two-party system, one that used to represent a check and balance on one country united in it ideas so that voting for one party or the other didn’t really affect day-to-day life, so it was used to “throw the bum out.” In this, we were a little less passionate about government; not really part of day-to-day life or future planning.
Obviously and conclusively, we are no longer united by one vision. We are not throwing the bum out, we are fighting for power and largess and we are evenly divided between the individualists and the collectivists and the collectivists have been greatly helped by social media, the pop culture and BIG (from Pharma to Agri to the Military, Industrial and Educational Complexes, [not to mention all those Political Family Foundations and Trusts]) America giving lip service and paying protection money to the collectivists who are a very activist lot, have a lot of revolutionary ideas, and have been shifting the bifurcations of this chaotic system towards their cultural victory and feel it within immediate grasp (and even act like it at times). The unification and Califonication of the Nation.

But the other viewpoint doesn’t want the government there to guide them culturally (I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.) and certainly do not want revolution, I.e., fundamental transformation, With the Musk takeover of Twitter, the collectivists lost their monopoly on Social Media and their absolute control of hate speech, specifically, defining it, editing it, and censoring it, a parallel of the Lerner-ization of the government.
Along with this breaking of the information monopoly, we see the flight from the traditional mainstream media news cycle, centrist, one-party states and “woke” businesses. These businesses (and businesses are people on many levels) that paid their Dane’s Geld are now realizing that the social justice blackmail was never stop and it was bleeding them too dry to absorb the inflation of the government’s “free” money. People and the businesses they interact with on every level are reacting to their environment in ways that they see benefit them personally, their bottom line.

This is what prompted my earlier remarks, that when events, the million, billion events and interactions that go into the mob’s decision-making process, that the mind of the mob may be pulling back and swinging the other way in reaction, but that polling is not picking up on it.
However, given all of that, the pure emotion of the first black woman President overcomes any reasoning about borders, inflation, Ukraine, China or Gaza in the minds of most collectivist voters: Swifties for the Swift Boat Vote. This so handicaps Trump that it is pretty much insurmountable. The only emotion that might overcome that is their daughter being raped, pummeled in sports or passed over in the hierarchy of woke hiring by a man in drag.
And all of the other fucking nonsense like mostly peaceful riots and anti-semitism.

Trump could win.
Harris could win.
Flip a coin, just,
don’t take a poll.




Disclaimer (because the first reaction is always “You’re a [fill-in-the-blank]”): I have no horse in the race, just handicapping it out loud, so to speak. I vote third party and like the majority of you, I live in a predominantly one-party region and, like most of you, our elections are civilized, peaceful, respectful of everyone involved and and efficiently and honestly conducted, so I’m not politicking. This is the political junkie’s super “cup” (nobody uses the “B” word) and I realize the passion that goes into a fan, so I’m not trying to take personal shots or be an influencer. I’m wearing neutral colors.

Royal Purple Reign
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Absent a massive landslide the outcome is in the hands of the Deep State. Trump fills stadiums with cheering fans. Kamala can't fill a room and serves up bowls of ignorant word salad jibber jabber, and her media rushes to report her brilliance and predicts a dead heat or a Harris victory. All of our knowledge, instincts, and historical experience, all of a sudden have no value in predicting a political outcome. There's always some miracle designed to change logical outcomes. The left is already telling us to expect an "October surprise." What did Hillary mean by that? Lord only knows.

 

[ll74]

Only people who attend rallies vote for that candidate.

 

[Lance_Castro]

More assasination attempts!

 

[JohnEngelman]

i’m hoping for a successful assasination. Third time’s the charm.

I will settle for a long prison term for Trump. He should be in prison right now. Anyone without his money would be.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I'm predicting far more desperate and blatant vote rigging than last time (it worked, right, so lets try it again) and when that fails, an assassination attempt or two, including trasking to take down his aircraft with a shoulder-fired SAM. In between, you may see the Biden Admin attempt some sort of blatant provocation to provoke armed resistance, so as to give then an excuse to abrogate the elections, legally or illegally.

 

[Lance_Castro]

The Kennedys rigged one election, were gunned down, nixon and agnew were criminals and Ford wasnt elected, Bush2 stole the election, Hillary got rooked by the FBI, T.Rump who the fuck knows what that mess was about…how can anyone can say the USA has free elections with a straight face?

I guess they mean you dont have to pay to vote. Yet.

 

[ll74]

I'm predicting far more desperate and blatant vote rigging than last time (it worked, right, so lets try it again) and when that fails, an assassination attempt or two, including trasking to take down his aircraft with a shoulder-fired SAM. In between, you may see the Biden Admin attempt some sort of blatant provocation to provoke armed resistance, so as to give then an excuse to abrogate the elections, legally or illegally.

Of course you do.

Your guy told you to.

 

[ll74]

I think Harris will win North Carolina.

And the right will blame the Hurricane.

And she'll win Georgia.

And the right will blame Fulton County.

And she'll win Wisconsin and Michigan thanks to educated women

And the right will blame dominion.

And she'll win by a dozen or so EC votes

I look forward to how Republicans blame everyone but their guy, who is a shitty old candidate who only cares about himself.


Thanks Biden

 

[YDB95]

If Harris wins North Carolina, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Michigan, she will win but quite a bit more than a dozen or so EC votes.
But you're right, Trump and his cult will blame everyone but themselves.

 

[Pad_Foot]

The Electoral College needs to be FIXED!!!
Can we toss the big state little state compromise? No.
COULD WE AWARD EVERY VOTER their part of their state's electoral vote???????
FUCK YES !!!
Make it clear that EVERY VOTE COUNTS.
You run the numbers. I did all the way back to 2000. That one? I think Bush still won..... without the recount in Florida that was done multiple times. Who knew that we could call in the Ninjas to do that work?

 

[JoePepsiCo]

The Vice President is still going to win, it's the power of incumbency.
The power of the Democrat vote-raising machine efforts and small-donor donations.
It the power of the first.

The first woman President.
The first BLACK woman President.
The Inevitable President For Our Time!

I'm with OG Joe Biden, President-in-Exile,
She should have never have left the White House Basement.
She was too busy working on fixing Trump's problems to fight him, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT FOR HER!

(and some have. literally)

If I were running her campaign, she would never face the press.
She would never face questions. She would have canned, edited sit-downs with friendlies,
or stick to The fucking View and childrens' events where the press is excluded FOR THE CHILDREN...

She. They. You. Are really fucking this one up. It's in the bag. How could you let the cat out of the bag?

How could you let them see the pig in the poke?

It's too late for lipstick morons!