Disrespect for the Dead in Arlington National Cemetery

[icanhelp1]

Does this look like a post chastising
for someone’s opposing views? It sure does to me, and you do it all day every day.

Laz:
Maybe I wasn’t clear:

1) Any "Gold Star Family" that supports Trump is unworthy of sympathy, honor, or respect.

2) Any veteran or current military service member that supports Trump is unworthy of admiration, honor or respect.

And it isn’t me who is being disrespectful; it’s those traitors who support Trump.

Are we clear now???


I was referring to those shameful comments. That's a sad commentary.

 

[ChloeTzang]

That MAGAt clone (drone?) hit every talking point…

LOL. I'm good, I know!!!! But please, no more flattery.

 

[Rightguide]

So you didn't respond to a comment on what the army said?

He explained himself quite clearly enough for normal people. You might benefit from a remedial course in English however.

 

[ll74]

He explained himself quite clearly enough for normal people. You might benefit from a remedial course in English however.

He made a comment on what the army said and then told me he didn't do that

 

[Rightguide]

Laz:
Maybe I wasn’t clear:

1) Any "Gold Star Family" that supports Trump is unworthy of sympathy, honor, or respect.

2) Any veteran or current military service member that supports Trump is unworthy of admiration, honor or respect.

And it isn’t me who is being disrespectful; it’s those traitors who support Trump.

Are we clear now???


I was referring to those shameful comments. That's a sad commentary.

Yes they are and it is, but the source is a hateful lunatic bereft of redeeming value himself. So the well from which those comments came is a dark place indeed.

 

[Rightguide]

He made a comment on what the army said and then told me he didn't do that

He commented on the status of the case, not the case itself.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831023902048354582

 

[ll74]

He commented on the status of the case, not the case itself.

He commented on what the army said and then said he didn't.

 

[Rightguide]

He commented on what the army said and then said he didn't.

Go back and reread post 235.

 

[ll74]

Go back and reread post 235.

I already read it in real time, dip shit.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831023565396668430

 

[SmokingFap]

Chastising a gold star member for choosing Trump, that choice, That's what lowlife Lorazepam did. That's what happens when you inject yourself into a conversation, you're detached from the spirit of the conversation.

For once, I have to agree with you, although the quote above is not the sum total of your conversation on the topic. All Gold Star families should at least have our sympathy, even if they support Trump (or, conversely, Biden). And their family members who died in service of our country also deserve our utmost respect and honor, even if they supported Trump (or Biden). No one should disrespect a fallen hero or their family based on their political views. Period.

[Edit] An exception can be made if the family are outright Hitler fans.

 

[SmokingFap]

No where have I ever seen a family cemetery picture with anyone giving a big ol smile and a thumb's up.Full stop. Just look at that...and you';re not allowed to What if or read anything else in.

I trust the staff at the Cemetery to understand protocol and decorum better than anyone.

Someone tell me what the thumbs-up and shit-eating grin are even for? Talk about someone who doesn't know how to read the room...

http://youtube.com/post/UgkxkZl8lWvzUYfgOCNOGZpfZjVvAwKfHJlt?si=Q4Eb9M-jRLQtQxLa

 

[Aglaopheme]

For once, I have to agree with you, although the quote above is not the sum total of your conversation on the topic. All Gold Star families should at least have our sympathy, even if they support Trump (or, conversely, Biden). And their family members who died in service of our country also deserve our utmost respect and honor, even if they supported Trump (or Biden). No one should disrespect a fallen hero or their family based on their political views. Period.

[Edit] An exception can be made if the family are outright Hitler fans.

Conversely, there is Trump disrespecting all of our other fallen soldiers buried in the area near his little campaign stunt. Icant mostly glossed right over that.

 

[HisArpy]

Conversely, there is Trump disrespecting all of our other fallen soldiers buried in the area near his little campaign stunt. Icant mostly glossed right over that.

The trouble with this statement is that is ASSUMES that Trump was there for a campaign event (or stunt as you put it) when THE TRUTH is that he was invited by Gold Star families to participate in a wreath laying ceremony.

So your statement is lie. Worse, it's a KNOWING LIE because you've been told all of this at least once already.

So, you spew shit and expect accolades for it when all you deserve is derision and scorn.

 

[HisArpy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1831023902048354582

You'll post any sort of lie, won't you?

It's despicable and yet you'll laugh it off like it doesn't matter. Because TDS.

 

[Lazaran]

For once, I have to agree with you, although the quote above is not the sum total of your conversation on the topic. All Gold Star families should at least have our sympathy, even if they support Trump (or, conversely, Biden). And their family members who died in service of our country also deserve our utmost respect and honor, even if they supported Trump (or Biden). No one should disrespect a fallen hero or their family based on their political views. Period.

[Edit] An exception can be made if the family are outright Hitler fans.

And Trump isn’t America’s wannabe Hitler???



Also:

I stand by every word I posted.

 

[Aglaopheme]

I mean which should folks be more outraged about a random post on the internet or disrespecting one of our fallen’s most sacred burial sights?

 

[HisArpy]

I mean which should folks be more outraged about a random post on the internet or disrespecting one of our fallen’s most sacred burial sights?

How about being outraged over an internet post which is a KNOWING LIE about how Trump disrespected our fallen heroes?

This is the shit you do, knowing that you're lying, but not caring because the depth of your hatred will not allow you to see how badly you're going wrong.

YOU are the problem, not Trump.

 

[dmallord]

He was temporarily promoted which means he met the eligibility requirements for the position, all time sensitive. He was allowed to carry the slot till he satisfied all the requirements for CSM, it’s a temporary promotion allowing for pay status. IN OTHER WORDS he walked like a CSM, talked like a CSM but wasn’t a CSM. He was granted official capacity and was federal recognized as a candidate for CSM. I’m sure he was his Bn commander’s right hand man and conducted himself as a model for his enlisted members under him. What confuses me is how he overstepped senior *first shirts* for the position. I don’t recall any info on his MOS as an E-8. What slot he filled. If he met all the qualifications which requires passing the promotion board… orders are cut officially promoting him to CSM once he met the criteria and qualifications.. He was basically an acting CSM. He was perhaps the most senior qualified E-8 based on time in grade and exceptional NCOERs and was selected and granted the opportunity to fill the slot on the mtoe as opposed to TOE. He can wear the rank and operate in its official capacity but is not officially a CSM till orders are cut promoting him to CSM. His CSM status was temporary. Soldiers will address him as CSM out of respect of the slot he holds. I’d like to know how Walz was allowed to skip over Sergeant Major to CSM. His service record was a good one, no one disputes that. Him leaving while unit deployment orders to Iraq were in the pipeline didn’t sit well with his soldiers. Had he deployed with his unit he’d be a hero today and possibly CSM and entitled to quite a nice retirement pay, perhaps combat pay and all those active duty retirement points, 19 months worth.

The stolen valor comes into focus when he retired and reverted back to E-8 status but continued to refer to himself as CSM.

You talk about generals. Some brig generals are given a command of a division while still a one star, they are allowed to wear the rank of a two star but the second star is called a wooden star. He’s still the commander of the division and can wear the second star, just protocol I guess till he completes the process of being federally recognized as a Major general and orders are cut., it is upon federal recognition the individual is then promoted to major general

The rank of General is a 4 star. The rank structure is Brig, Major General, Lieutenant General then General. There all addressed as general for expediency.

A retired congressman is addressed as congressman out of respect because he officially held the position. Walz was never federally recognized as a CSM. He never received promotion orders promoting him to CSM because he never met the standards for promotion. He held the slot and unfortunately another individual was denied the opportunity to be promoted because Walz held the slot.

Thanks for confirming what I said. It took you a long time to realize that Walz was a CSM.

Vance was an ass for attacking him. You didn't address that element, but that's okay. Others have stood him up for inspection and found him to be deficient. So will the public on November 5th.

It wasn't unfortunate that another was denied the opportunity to be promoted because Walz retired. You throw that out like Walz purposely stood in someone else's way. He didn't. And someone took the slot in accordance with DOD regulations when he retired. That's how it works with vacancies at any level.

Your remark about stolen valor is still wrong. I gave you the facts, and you continue to misapply them to Walz unjustly. No 'star' for you.

 

[dmallord]

So Walz gets a pass but Trump is held accountable.
.

Sure. Trump needs to be accountable for a whole lot of things more critical to our nation's overall governance: ripping off business partners, criminal acts, insurrection, fake electors scheme, failed business economics 101, mishandling top secret information, divulging secrets about submarines to non-citizens, lying about his health, [do you really believe he is 220lbs?] misusing music copyrights, ad infinitum.

 

[Lazaran]

I mean which should folks be more outraged about a random post on the internet or disrespecting one of our fallen’s most sacred burial sights?

Priorities, amirite???

 

[dmallord]

The trouble with this statement is that is ASSUMES that Trump was there for a campaign event (or stunt as you put it) when THE TRUTH is that he was invited by Gold Star families to participate in a wreath laying ceremony.

So your statement is lie. Worse, it's a KNOWING LIE because you've been told all of this at least once already.

So, you spew shit and expect accolades for it when all you deserve is derision and scorn.

Assume what you wish, Arphy. The truth is Trump's political campaign video was immediately posted in his social media, taking advantage of the invitation, and is a dishonor to others buried in Arlington.

The details of the event read like a thug pushing protestors out of the way so he could hold up a bible and take political photo shots in front of the church. Tear gas and strongarm tactics at one place and pushing aside a female official to take advantage of the scene at the cemetery is Trump's modus operandi.

Do you condone or approve of the video of his visit turned into a campaign political social media post to promote himself?
.
You are some word spinner, Arphy.

 

[Bn2f]

For once, I have to agree with you, although the quote above is not the sum total of your conversation on the topic. All Gold Star families should at least have our sympathy, even if they support Trump (or, conversely, Biden). And their family members who died in service of our country also deserve our utmost respect and honor, even if they supported Trump (or Biden). No one should disrespect a fallen hero or their family based on their political views. Period.

[Edit] An exception can be made if the family are outright Hitler fans.

I, along with others, have been very vocal on my stance on this. I, like Lazaran has stated, also stand firmly by all my posts.
I fully understand the uncomfortable position that sometimes puts me in the eyes of others on having me call a service member a traitor.
I highly respect you as a member and this is not us arguing on the matter - I believe we both have a desire to win the bigger war come November than fight on ant hills now. You are correct in stating that what you were replying to is not the sum total of the conversation on the topic. That is why I do not think we are really at odds. It is the usual suspects of members who are confused on the nuance of my still reverence for a soldier who was a trump voter that has fallen and a living soldier here supporting trump now or even a family, whether one from Newtown to this one in Arlington, using the capital of a family member's death to make a statement and the criticism or praise others are free to give them on that use in return.

 

[Bn2f]

Assume what you wish, Arphy. The truth is Trump's political campaign video was immediately posted in his social media, taking advantage of the invitation, and is a dishonor to others buried in Arlington.

The details of the event read like a thug pushing protestors out of the way so he could hold up a bible and take political photo shots in front of the church. Tear gas and strongarm tactics at one place and pushing aside a female official to take advantage of the scene at the cemetery is Trump's modus operandi.

Do you condone or approve of the video of his visit turned into a campaign political social media post to promote himself?
.
You are some word spinner, Arphy.

Exactly!
I mean, who knew that while trump was innocently there to pay respects with that family that a camera crew would happen to be there to film and produce a stylized video of him walking the grounds?