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icanhelp1 said:
Not at all. I’m just tired of writing long narratives supported by reliable sources only to get called names, accused of using biased sources. Not worth the time or the effort.
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You may not think you do, but you do and that’s my issue with you. It appears disingenuous on your part because often the actual context shreds your arguments. You may not see or mean it that way, but there it is.

On the other hand, I feel the same way about Rightguide’s constant linking of extreme right wing low credibility sites like gateway pundit. I’ve been around and around with him on it and it’s not worth the time and effort to refute that nonsense.

icanhelp1 said:
MY entertainment today is reading the plentiful toxic banter without inserting myself into these conversations. Example, I suggested a boycott of the Olympics and provided a source that shed light of a time where the US did boycott. Just that simple. I didn’t want to make a federal case out of it but some people like 74 want these long useless narratives supported by sources that will only be refuted as being anti liberal and biased.
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Fair enough.

icanhelp1 said:
I provided a video of Harris entertaining a whole host of weird people but some people couldn’t understand why I posted it. IT’S BECAUSE SHE IS THE EPITOME OF WOKE, SHE SUPPORTS ALL THIS TRANSGENDER IDEOLOGY AND SUPPORTS TRANS WOMEN IN SPORTS.
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I’ll check back on that as I’ve not seen her stance. It’s a complex issue and sports are struggling with it. At elite levels they’re looking at testosterone levels and trying to find the sweet spot. On the other hand, a trans woman golfer said because of hormones she lost so much muscle strength that she had no distance advantage.

icanhelp1 said:
People are just too blind to connect the dots and I’m all done doing their thinking for them. Some information I post is fresh off a televised media platform and there are no MSM responses yet.
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There’s the rub. If you provide a link it’s likely to be challenged so it needs to be legit even if it’s off center. And some left/right sources can be biased, but rated high for providing factual information.

icanhelp1 said:
If I see an issue that really interests me I’ll comment on it till the insults start coming from the usual idiots and just walk away.
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Again, fair enough.
 
icanhelp1 said:
Not at all. I’m just tired of writing long narratives supported by reliable sources only to get called names, accused of using biased sources. Not worth the time or the effort. MY entertainment today is reading the plentiful toxic banter without inserting myself into these conversations. Example, I suggested a boycott of the Olympics and provided a source that shed light of a time where the US did boycott. Just that simple. I didn’t want to make a federal case out of it but some people like 74 want these long useless narratives supported by sources that will only be refuted as being anti liberal and biased. I provided a video of Harris entertaining a whole host of weird people but some people couldn’t understand why I posted it. IT’S BECAUSE SHE IS THE EPITOME OF WOKE, SHE SUPPORTS ALL THIS TRANSGENDER IDEOLOGY AND SUPPORTS TRANS WOMEN IN SPORTS. People are just too blind to connect the dots and I’m all done doing their thinking for them. Some information I post is fresh off a televised media platform and there are no MSM responses yet.

If I see an issue that really interests me I’ll comment on it till the insults start coming from the usual idiots and just walk away.
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Mmm hmmm. You don't get to play victim.

You can't even address that I was right in regards to women in sports. You threw out a condescending barb about cooking in your response to my claim and then when you were proved wrong you ignored it and instead posted a screed about how you are the poor victim.
 
You're only okay with misogyny if you're the one doing the accusing.

Delusional liberal loon.
 
icanhelp1 said:
Not at all. I’m just tired of writing long narratives supported by reliable sources only to get called names, accused of using biased sources. Not worth the time or the effort. MY entertainment today is reading the plentiful toxic banter without inserting myself into these conversations. Example, I suggested a boycott of the Olympics and provided a source that shed light of a time where the US did boycott. Just that simple. I didn’t want to make a federal case out of it but some people like 74 want these long useless narratives supported by sources that will only be refuted as being anti liberal and biased. I provided a video of Harris entertaining a whole host of weird people but some people couldn’t understand why I posted it. IT’S BECAUSE SHE IS THE EPITOME OF WOKE, SHE SUPPORTS ALL THIS TRANSGENDER IDEOLOGY AND SUPPORTS TRANS WOMEN IN SPORTS. People are just too blind to connect the dots and I’m all done doing their thinking for them. Some information I post is fresh off a televised media platform and there are no MSM responses yet.

If I see an issue that really interests me I’ll comment on it till the insults start coming from the usual idiots and just walk away.
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You shared a Wikipedia page on a complete boycott of the 1980 Olympics, without comment. If you would've provided commentary about your actual suggestion along with that source, I wouldn't have assumed anything.

Stop blaming me for your own issue
 
ishtat said:
Khelif has XY chromosomes identified by the boxing authority as 'not a woman' which excluded her. The IOC over-ruled the boxing authority. The reason she should not compete with women is because the boxing authorities determined that she puts their lives in danger. The IOC appears to have stuffed up sacrificing women's safety on the altar of "inclusiveness" and IOC politics. I will not comment on Lin because the facts are not clear.

The IOC has made a mess of this issue for almost 100 years, the cases of Stella Walsh the American Sprinter and Irina and Tamara Press from the USSR in the 1920's and 1950's respectively being notable. The only consistency is that The IOC always supports the view that politics should trump women's safety and best interests
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Great spin! Full of shit, of course, but great spin!

"Khelif has XY chromosomes identified by the boxing authority" should have more accurately have read "Khelif was said to have XY chromosomes according to an unsubstantiated claim by a former Russian spokesperson for the now discredited IBA boxing commission, which was decertified for corruption".
Testosterone testing in sports is still in a state of flux, with no less than three separate standards since 2013. The latest interim standard pleases no one: A female athlete must have a testosterone level of less then 5 nmol/L for a documented six months prior to the competition.

Oh, and nice snark about Olympic gold medalist Stella Walsh (born Stanisława Walasiewicz). She had to drop her knickers to prove she had a vagina (which was the "sex verification" test at the time) for both the 1932 and 1936 Olympics. Upon her death in 1980, an autopsy revealed she was technically a hermaphrodite (dual sex organs) with a tiny little Rightguide-sized peener hidden right behind her vulva. Not remotely relatable to the issue being discussed.

Also, Walsh competed for the Polish national team in the Olympics and did not emigrate to the USA until 1947.
 
ll74 said:
You shared a Wikipedia page on a complete boycott of the 1980 Olympics, without comment. If you would've provided commentary about your actual suggestion along with that source, I wouldn't have assumed anything.

Stop blaming me for your own issue
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No, that's not what happened. A poster said something to the effect that the US government has no say in IOC rules and I answered something to the effect BOYCOTT to initiate change. Then in the next post I posted an example of a time when the US did boycott the Olympics, just that simple, that it wasn't a novel idea. You, like usual, injected yourself into the conversation demanding credible sources and all kinds of other commentary.
 
icanhelp1 said:
No, that's not what happened. A poster said something to the effect that the US government has no say in IOC rules and I answered something to the effect BOYCOTT to initiate change. Then in the next post I posted an example of a time when the US did boycott the Olympics, just that simple, that it wasn't a novel idea. You, like usual, injected yourself into the conversation demanding credible sources and all kinds of other commentary.
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Do you feel bad about being wrong in this thread?

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Or do you want to double down on the dumb like Jesse?
 
icanhelp1 said:
No, that's not what happened. A poster said something to the effect that the US government has no say in IOC rules and I answered something to the effect BOYCOTT to initiate change. Then in the next post I posted an example of a time when the US did boycott the Olympics, just that simple, that it wasn't a novel idea. You, like usual, injected yourself into the conversation demanding credible sources and all kinds of other commentary.
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I asked you a question. Your "answer" suggested a position you didn't have.

If you didn't like the question didn't really want to answer it, then you shouldn't have done so


Stop
Blaming
Me
For asking the question.
 
icanhelp1 said:
No, that's not what happened. A poster said something to the effect that the US government has no say in IOC rules and I answered something to the effect BOYCOTT to initiate change. Then in the next post I posted an example of a time when the US did boycott the Olympics, just that simple, that it wasn't a novel idea. You, like usual, injected yourself into the conversation demanding credible sources and all kinds of other commentary.
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Real Americans want to boycott The Olympics until it gets back to the way it was in Ancient Greece. It’s become woke by letting trans people and women compete. It should just be guys competing.
 
Wylie3 said:
The problem is in the fact that there is separate competitions for male and female but no proper definition of what constitutes a female, the boxers have grown up as female but have male chromosomes which technically should make them more powerfull than a normal female.
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In actuality, most of the conditions in which a female has XY chromosomes would not lead to them being stronger than an XX chromosome. The two most common conditions for XY females are Swyer syndrome, in which the Y chromosome lacks the SRY gene or the SRY gene is inactive, or CAIS (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome).

In the case of Swyer syndrome, the individual will not develop testes, and that person will never be able to produce enough testosterone to develop the typical masculine features that would theoretically provide some physical advantage over an XX female.

In the case of CAIS, the individual will develop testes and can produce large amounts of testosterone. But CAIS means that they lack the cell receptor that allows them to actually process testosterone. This unused testosterone will eventually be converted to estrogen. So again, they will not be masculinized and would not be more likely to have a physical advantage over a typical XX female.

In short, biology and physiology is complicated. Just having the Y chromosome does not automatically make one more masculine than someone without a Y chromosome.
 
Khelif is a very unusual case she has a rare medical condition that causes testosterone to spike at times. A condition that could also cause her to test XY at times and XX at other times. She is physically a woman she has ovaries, and a uterus, and can become pregnant and give birth. The fact she can become pregnant and give birth that makes her a woman in my book. For any species on the planet, the ability to bare young defines that animal as a female. Why isn’t that enough for the right to call Khelif female?

At the time of her matches, her testosterone was in the range normal for women. She has fought 51 fights and lost 9. She’s certainly a skilled boxer but no Mohammad Ali, Mike Tyson, or George Foreman. She can become pregnant and give birth which makes her a woman in my book. But in a fight, I’m sure she could kick my ass seven ways to Sunday. Given her hormone levels were in the normal range for females and she could have kids why shouldn’t she be allowed to box as a woman?

If at the time of a fight, her testosterone levels were those of a man should that disqualify her?
 
adrina said:
Mmm hmmm. You don't get to play victim.

You can't even address that I was right in regards to women in sports. You threw out a condescending barb about cooking in your response to my claim and then when you were proved wrong you ignored it and instead posted a screed about how you are the poor victim.
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I didn’t address it because what you did is comb through years of odd sports events to find exceptions to the rule. There are incidents where a women, best in her particular sport, beat a man or excelled in a mixed group to rise to the top, but in todays sports competition men are stronger, faster than women. Because a women on the PGA could beat my ass in golf 100 times out of 100 times doesn’t support your argument that women should compete directly with men. Doing it for fun is one thing but not the same as professional competitors at the top of their game and of different sexes or genders, females would not fair well in professional or even collegiate competitions. Then in your twisted hateful manner accuse me of discriminating against trans when I believe trans women hold an unfair advantage over traditional women and that allowing this type of competition is ruining women’s sports. I question your ability to reason as to why you would be OK with that. You strike me as being a women, would you put your scholarship on the line after years of hard work agree to compete against a trans women ( MAN ) or would you allow your daughter to compete in the same manner. Create a division where trans women compete against each other.
 
icanhelp1 said:
I didn’t address it because what you did is comb through years of odd sports events to find exceptions to the rule. There are incidents where a women, best in her particular sport, beat a man or excelled in a mixed group to rise to the top, but in todays sports competition men are stronger, faster than women. Because a women on the PGA could beat my ass in golf 100 times out of 100 times doesn’t support your argument that women should compete directly with men. Doing it for fun is one thing but not the same as professional competitors at the top of their game and of different sexes or genders, females would not fair well in professional or even collegiate competitions. Then in your twisted hateful manner accuse me of discriminating against trans when I believe trans women hold an unfair advantage over traditional women and that allowing this type of competition is ruining women’s sports. I question your ability to reason as to why you would be OK with that. You strike me as being a women, would you put your scholarship on the line and agree to compete against a trans women ( MAN ) or would you allow your daughter to compete in the same manner. Create a division where trans women compete against each other.
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You said you weren't aware of any circumstances or women that had beaten men in sports. Now you are. The fact of the matter is you were and are being a condescending prick and were proven wrong.

Something that happens a lot traitor.
 
adrina said:
You said you weren't aware of any circumstances or women that had beaten men in sports. Now you are. The fact of the matter is you were and are being a condescending prick and were proven wrong.

Something that happens a lot traitor.
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When did I say that? I was around and watch the Bobby Riggs/ Billy Jean King tennis match, it was a big mouth male against a professional woman tennis player at the top of her game. I believe it was the beginning of the women’s movement. What’s your point? Do these few and far between matches justify in your mind that trans women should compete against traditional women in collegiate sports activities? Do you think a woman would fare well against a 340LB lineman in pro football. A professional men’s basketball team will beat a professional women’s basketball team 10 out of 10 times, why do you suppose the reason for that is?
 
icanhelp1 said:
Competing physically against each other. I've never heard of women beating men in speed skating. I never heard of women directly competing against men in speed skating. I've never seen women compete against men in long distance running. Skeet shooting? Maybe add cooking to your list. Any sport that relies on physical endurance, physical strength are divided in women and men categories. Now, if you compared competition between men and women in brain games like chess or poker, then you have a point.
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icanhelp1 said:
When did I say that? I was around and watch the Bobby Riggs/ Billy Jean King tennis match, it was a big mouth male against a professional woman tennis player at the top of her game. I believe it was the beginning of the women’s movement. What’s your point? Do these few and far between matches justify in your mind that trans women should compete against traditional women in collegiate sports activities? Do you think a woman would fare well against a 340LB lineman in pro football. A professional men’s basketball team will beat a professional women’s basketball team 10 out of 10 times, why do you suppose the reason for that is?
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You said you weren't aware. Now you are.

Why are you putting an average woman against a 340 lb lineman. Why aren't you putting an athletic woman in the top of her class against that 340 lb lineman. This is the problem with you sexist idiots. You don't think women can compare and compete with men. They do and they often win. It has happened often enough that the Olympics now have a recorded history of banning women from a sport after a woman has beaten a man at that sport, only to open a women's division in that same sport later on. Because so many men lost their minds and couldn't deal with a man losing to a woman. In your mind you have already labeled men as strong and women as weak.

Just accept that women and men are equal. Although if you keep this up I may have some strong reconsiderations about men, definitely you for sure.
 
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