Shot fired at Trump?

[ChloeTzang]

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang is an idiot, and "she" is also a big fan of Wat, so…

Well of course, Wat is my alter ego, didntcha know? We have it on good authority and Wat and I have had an internal discussion about this and we have agreed that we shall fangirl each other. I mean, we are both very likeable and of course, we being one, we share the same opinions.

So who is really to blame for the security lapse???

Secret Service is in charge overall, NOT local law enforcement.

Chloe “Chicongo” Tzang

LOL. That has a certain ring to it, Lazaran. I like it Sort of like a military callsign

"Just call me Chicongo." Of course I will need to lower my voice a couple of octaves...and get the right tats, but okay, Chicongo Tzang. Actually, this sounds like a great character for a story. LOL. Heeeeeet, look, a plot bunny.....

 

[ChloeTzang]

I’m curious as to why you think Jill Biden should be on trial.

Sounds like she was instrumental in Cheatle being appointed as head of the Secret Service. Ergo.....it all makes sense. She hates Trump because once he beats Joe like a tin drum and hangs him out to dry, she won't be President Jill anymore, she'll just be some wrinkled old hag with appalling fashion sense and a senile husband who poops himself all the time and has delusions of being President. Instead of 4 more years running the USA, she'll be abused and reviled, where she's remembered at all, and it's all Trumps fault. So of course she wants him dead. So while Joe and the other Demonrats stoke the fires of toxic hate, Jill quietly appoints some incompetent budget shuffler as head of the Secret Service, encourages her policy of diversity hires, hoping some demonrat nutcase will take a shot, and hangs their incompetent asses out to dry..... you could make a play about this.....

A brave American politician named Joe receives a prophecy from a trio of Demonrats hat one day he will become President. Consumed by ambition and spurred to action by his wife, the evil and conniving Dr. Jill as she insists on being known, Joe cheats in the elections and takes the Presidency for himself. He is then racked with guilt and paranoia, seeing his opposition candidate as evil personified, and he is into more and more lawfare to protect himself from enmity and suspicion, and soon becomes a tyrannical and oppressive ruler, doing his best to strip weapons from his people, break the back of the Supreme Court and start wars overseas, largely through incompetence, unaware that he is out if his depth. His evil wife plots his opposition candidate's attempted (but failed) assassination, and the consequent backlash swiftly destroys any hope he has to re-election, take Joe and Dr. Jill into the realms of madness and death.

 

[stxjimmy]

Sounds like she was instrumental in Cheatle being appointed as head of the Secret Service. Ergo.....it all makes sense. She hates Trump because once he beats Joe like a tin drum and hangs him out to dry, she won't be President Jill anymore, she'll just be some wrinkled old hag with appalling fashion sense and a senile husband who poops himself all the time and has delusions of being President. Instead of 4 more years running the USA, she'll be abused and reviled, where she's remembered at all, and it's all Trumps fault. So of course she wants him dead. So while Joe and the other Demonrats stoke the fires of toxic hate, Jill quietly appoints some incompetent budget shuffler as head of the Secret Service, encourages her policy of diversity hires, hoping some demonrat nutcase will take a shot, and hangs their incompetent asses out to dry.....

Well that explains everything.

 

[HisArpy]

Well of course, Wat is my alter ego, didntcha know?

Hay now... Pax says I'm your alt. Do you know how cruel is it to find out that it isn't true? Or worse that I find out that I'm playing second fiddle to Allah's favorite son by a random post on the interwebz which confirms that you and he are having intimate conversations without me?

I'm crushed. Woe is me.


BTW, your subscription to my carbon water program has mysteriously run into processing problems. The estimated time for the reentry of your account details and re validation of your account is approximately 87 years. Please accept our apologies for any resulting delays in your shipments.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Hay now... Pax says I'm your alt. Do you know how cruel is it to find out that it isn't true? Or worse that I find out that I'm playing second fiddle to Allah's favorite son by a random post on the interwebz which confirms that you and he are having intimate conversations without me?

I'm crushed. Wat is me.


BTW, your subscription to my carbon water program has mysteriously run into processing problems. The estimated time for the repair and revalidation of your account is approximately 87 years. Our apologies that you may experience a slight delay in receiving shipments until then.

fyp;yw

 

[ChloeTzang]

Hay now... Pax says I'm your alt. Do you know how cruel is it to find out that it isn't true? Or worse that I find out that I'm playing second fiddle to Allah's favorite son by a random post on the interwebz which confirms that you and he are having intimate conversations without me?

I'm crushed. Woe is me.


BTW, your subscription to my carbon water program has mysteriously run into processing problems. The estimated time for the reentry of your account details and re validation of your account is approximately 87 years. Please accept our apologies for any resulting delays in your shipments.

Oh no, I am so sorry Harpy! Our bad. I failed to mention that we are the Holy Trinity! Father, Son, and Holy Chicongo. Blessed be our names.....

be not crushed! We shall rise above this terrible doctrinal mistake and continue to struggle to save the souls of these benighted heathens, leading them to the light, so to speak. And if that doesn't work, well, we have willy pete and napalm and HE. Shake, bake and flambe.....

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Allah has plenty of room in Islamic Hell for the likes of 'em.


Fires burn hotter, torture hurts worse, and Eternity lasts longer.


All in a carbon water-free environment . . . .

 

[ChloeTzang]

Well that explains everything.

It does. I am happy to have helped your understanding reach a new level. So rewarding to bring a new soul to salvation and to an appreciation of the divine mercy of our Great White Father, Il Donaldo the Supreme One. May you cast aside the evil one, and put Satan in the form of the Biden behind you forever.

 

[HisArpy]

Oh no, I am so sorry Harpy! Our bad. I failed to mention that we are the Holy Trinity! Father, Son, and Holy Chicongo. Blessed be our names.....

be not crushed! We shall rise above this terrible doctrinal mistake and continue to struggle to save the souls of these benighted heathens, leading them to the light, so to speak. And if that doesn't work, well, we have willy pete and napalm and HE. Shake, bake and flambe.....

According to Pax we're more like the 47 Ronin. I think he believes that because the 47 all signed their names and put their thumbprints on a single sheet, they must all be the same person. He uses the same lack of logic for me/you/us because there's only 1 source for the names in both cases.

 

[schism666]

 

[Rotadom]

 

[CuriousRick]

 

[dkovic77]

Those are commercial building metal roofs. Standard pitch is either 1:12 or 2:12. I've stood on floors that sloped as much/badly. That dawg don't hunt.

Yeah the roof explanation makes no sense. They just gotta own up to someone fucked up and didn’t check off all the boxes. Everyone’s pointing fingers.

Should hopefully have SS looking at procedures a little differently in all these situations.

But, since we haven’t seen anyone get this close in so long, everyone just assumes they aren’t doing their job. Just this instance someone messed up…

But yeah the sloped roof reason is a bunch of crap. Heck, sell some tickets and put some MAGA folks up there (screening them first).

 

[Rotadom]

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Republican men swallow that brown cock whole.

 

[Rotadom]

 

[ShandyLeer]

Yeah the roof explanation makes no sense. They just gotta own up to someone fucked up and didn’t check off all the boxes. Everyone’s pointing fingers.

Should hopefully have SS looking at procedures a little differently in all these situations.

But, since we haven’t seen anyone get this close in so long, everyone just assumes they aren’t doing their job. Just this instance someone messed up…

But yeah the sloped roof reason is a bunch of crap. Heck, sell some tickets and put some MAGA folks up there (screening them first).

Isn’t the point that the roof WAS recognised as a vulnerability and thus covered by snipers ?

The issue - presumably one of communication and command - is why they only opened fire, at a target they already had lined up, once the shooter got a few rounds off.

 

[dkovic77]

Isn’t the point that the roof WAS recognised as a vulnerability and thus covered by snipers ?

The issue - presumably one of communication and command - is why they only opened fire, at a target they already had lined up, once the shooter got a few rounds off.

Those snipers were covering things further away, and they had to refocus to get back there.

But yes, command and communication…clearly will need to be addressed.

 

[ShandyLeer]

Those snipers were covering things further away, and they had to refocus to get back there.

But yes, command and communication…clearly will need to be addressed.

Where are you getting it from that they covering things further away ? Not saying you’re wrong, but I’ve seen nothing to that effect, and their return fire seemed immediate.

Since cops near the shooters building had clearly had their attention drawn to a suspect with a rifle on the roof it seems likely that the sniper teams would have been in the loop on that radio chatter - likely, but of course not certain yet.

 

[dkovic77]

Where are you getting it from that they covering things further away ? Not saying you’re wrong, but I’ve seen nothing to that effect, and their return fire seemed immediate.

Since cops near the shooters building had clearly had their attention drawn to a suspect with a rifle on the roof it seems likely that the sniper teams would have been in the loop on that radio chatter - likely, but of course not certain yet.

They had folks inside that building but no one on the roof, which just seems like blown coverage.

Based on the actions of the sniper and those who have served on these details previously… can’t remember the folks who said it but I heard it from a few since Saturday.

 

[eric_erosfan]

Where are you getting it from that they covering things further away ? Not saying you’re wrong, but I’ve seen nothing to that effect, and their return fire seemed immediate.

Since cops near the shooters building had clearly had their attention drawn to a suspect with a rifle on the roof it seems likely that the sniper teams would have been in the loop on that radio chatter - likely, but of course not certain yet.

The shooter was on the upslope of the roof. I bet the target presented even through a scope was very small. Just part of his head. Imagine not having enough information in that moment. Are you going to squeeze off a kill round in the middle of Trumps speech when it might be some dumb kid who climbed up their for kicks?

Really there needed to be law enforcement on that roof 3 hours prior.

 

[ShandyLeer]

They had folks inside that building but no one on the roof, which just seems like blown coverage.

Based on the actions of the sniper and those who have served on these details previously… can’t remember the folks who said it but I heard it from a few since Saturday.

Well, as far as I could tell the sniper pair positioned behind Trumps right shoulder were aiming at, and firing back at, the shooter more or less instantly the kid fired the first shots.

There was no sense of them scanning around for where the incoming was originating- they just peppered him straight away. In which case they were aware of him, but presumably hadn’t had him confirmed as hostile.

 

[Lazaran]

They had folks inside that building but no one on the roof, which just seems like blown coverage.

Based on the actions of the sniper and those who have served on these details previously… can’t remember the folks who said it but I heard it from a few since Saturday.

I’ve mention before that the Secret Service snipers may have been denied permission to fire because there was confusion about whether or not the person on the roof was a local law enforcement sniper.

Remember, there were local law enforcement snipers inside that building at the time of the shooting: it isn’t impossible to imagine some back and forth between the Secret Service and local law enforcement to verify the identity of the person in the roof.. And that back and forth likely provided the window of opportunity for the shooter to squeeze off a few rounds before the Secret Service snipers acted.

I do agree that the Secret Service snipers are certainly tasked with monitoring potential threats faaaaar beyond that rooftop that was only 150 yds away.

Local law enforcement should have had that place locked down tight. Epic fail on their part, but shit happens in a chaos environment.

 

[dkovic77]

Just not sure why that big ass screen was not positioned in line of sight over there…makes no sense.

But many questions to answer.

 

[eric_erosfan]

I’ve mention before that the Secret Service snipers may have been denied permission to fire because there was confusion about whether or not the person on the roof was a local law enforcement sniper.

Remember, there were local law enforcement snipers inside that building at the time of the shooting: it isn’t impossible to imagine some back and forth between the Secret Service and local law enforcement to verify the identity of the person in the roof.. And that back and forth likely provided the window of opportunity for the shooter to squeeze off a few rounds before the Secret Service snipers acted.

I do agree that the Secret Service snipers are certainly tasked with monitoring potential threats faaaaar beyond that rooftop that was only 150 yds away.

Local law enforcement should have had that place locked down tight. Epic fail on their part, but shit happens in a chaos environment.

The roof snipers were also wearing "POLICE" vests. Not sure if SS wears that or if they relied on local police snipers. What is shown in video is when Crooks started firing it actually caused the standing sniper to jump. I'm guessing the prone sniper is the one who killed Crooks.

 

[Lazaran]

The roof snipers were also wearing "POLICE" vests. Not sure if SS wears that or if they relied on local police snipers. What is shown in video is when Crooks started firing it actually caused the standing sniper to jump. I'm guessing the prone sniper is the one who killed Crooks.

See, I actually thought it was the standing sniper that took the shooter out, and that he stood up taller to see if he had eliminated the threat:

The shooter was on a slight slope, so after he was shot, he slumped back from the apex of the slope and was lying perfectly flat. I was of the impression that the standing sniper stood up taller to peek over the apex of the slope after the shooter slumped back from being killed because he lost sight of the shooter after he shot, and then he returned to his scope in case the the shooter was just playing possum and was getting ready to pop up again. The other sniper just appeared to be perfectly still the whole time, waiting in case the shooter popped up again.



I would be interested to know which one actually ended the threat, but it isn’t a critical piece of information I couldn’t live without.