Shot fired at Trump?

[HisArpy]

Amen. Two separate states of being as I see it.

"One is a creative state of being, the other–not so much. Some individuals are rational, while others are more impulsive and tend to vent without control. Chloe, in the political forum, is an example of the latter. I've read her work; as for yours, I might check that out someday when it rains."

Apparently that means you live in California.

 

[dmallord]

The all clear was given. This is a signal to move. You, with no clue as to protocol, don't get to second guess protocol based solely on flights of fantasy.

You have some 'preaching credentials' on secret service protocols? Not that it's important to the thread, but his thoughts and words are like your opinion. You just finished a similar train of thought and now you are bashing another lit member for it.

 

[eric_erosfan]

It’s weird that I don’t even like Trump and I’m the one complaining about the Secret Service being cavalier with his protection, while Trump supporters are waving off security failures like it’s no big deal. Are you trying to get him killed?

I think anyone else would have just been carried to the limo under cover. But Trump is used to doing what he wants so he made them wait and get his shoes. The SS should definitely treat any shooting as if there could be multiple actors and just carry their protectee to safety. Not let him stand up tall over the top of short agents. I don't think this was planned. I think it was just another screw-up that will be highlighted by the eventual investigation.

 

[HisArpy]

I’m not arguing anything here, just asking for your source is on what protocol is for the Secret Service. I’ve been looking for information about it but haven’t found anything official - in fact any official information seems to be classified.

Yup, almost all SS stuff beyond general information is classified. But, you can find other information on the subject if you know where to look. If you don't know where to look, few to none are going to point it out because disseminating that information only gives the bad guys the ability to pick holes in your defenses.

This isn't a brush off, it's recognition that you don't have a need to know. If you really do believe you have a need to know, take some classes at a recognized facility and pay attention to what they teach you.

 

[HisArpy]

I think anyone else would have just been carried to the limo under cover. But Trump is used to doing what he wants so he made them wait and get his shoes. The SS should definitely treat any shooting as if there could be multiple actors and just carry their protectee to safety. Not let him stand up tall over the top of short agents. I don't think this was planned. I think it was just another screw-up that will be highlighted by the eventual investigation.

Carrying the protectee only ties up your hands and renders you unable to respond to a renewed threat. If they can walk, then they walk.

 

[Rotadom]

Spoken by someone who thinks that being a doormat's anagram is exciting.

Who the hell are you talking to? One of your cats?

 

[AlexBailey]

Yup, almost all SS stuff beyond general information is classified. But, you can find other information on the subject if you know where to look. If you don't know where to look, few to none are going to point it out because disseminating that information only gives the bad guys the ability to pick holes in your defenses.

This isn't a brush off, it's recognition that you don't have a need to know. If you really do believe you have a need to know, take some classes at a recognized facility and pay attention to what they teach you.

I believe in keeping the important info under wraps. It’s funny how many talking heads are spewing about the protocols when so few are actually in the know.

My only instructional security course was part of a “If you see something, say something” training.

 

[eric_erosfan]

Carrying the protectee only ties up your hands and renders you unable to respond to a renewed threat. If they can walk, then they walk.

Yeah so by "carried" I mean crouched down walking being helped along and completely hidden by SS bodies. And not standing up over the top of the agents.

 

[HisArpy]

It’s weird that I don’t even like Trump and I’m the one complaining about the Secret Service being cavalier with his protection, while Trump supporters are waving off security failures like it’s no big deal. Are you trying to get him killed?

No one I know is waving off the security failures. In fact I believe my very first post in this thread mentions that I thought the SS dropped the ball.

What we aren't doing is inventing fantasy scenarios in order to try and cloud what happened.

 

[Rotadom]

 

[HisArpy]

I believe in keeping the important info under wraps. It’s funny how many talking heads are spewing about the protocols when so few are actually in the know.

My only instructional security course was part of a “If you see something, say something” training.

There are places which offer civilian executive protection training for those who aren't law enforcement. To qualify for acceptance to the course you have to have minimum verified training/skills. Some even require credentials as well as verifiable prior training/skills

Absent that you either have to join the military and get training that way, or join law enforcement and show an aptitude for an invitation to elite training, or join CIA/FBI and go to their academy. USSS doesn't hire off the street.

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah so by "carried" I mean crouched down walking being helped along and completely hidden by SS bodies. And not standing up over the top of the agents.

So by "carried" you meant doing what they did?

Trump was being moved. The best way to do that for someone who isn't injured is to let him move himself while you keep physical contact. If he's taller than his bodyguards, that's an issue for whoever assigned those people to the detail to reconsider.

I think a lot of someones are going to have to resign once all the mistakes and failures are recognized.

 

[HisArpy]

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Adrenaline does strange things to people. Witness the SS chick not being able to reholster her weapon as an example. Anyone who doesn't understand that has never been in any life/death situation and should refrain from criticizing those in the immediate aftermath.

 

[Bray123]

I happen to be with Harpy on this ( a rare day). I have some knowledge of VIP escort training and the sequence was exactly as per. The risk identified, the Principal drops to the ground , usually by being jumped on by the Protection Officers. In this case Trump did as his training. He got jumped on anyway, protected by the pile of mating frogs of security. Elsewhere, the assassin was identified and dealt with. The word was passed, the Principal was hustled up and kettled away by the team, still bundled around him. In the meantime, his shirt has been opened to check for extra holes.

Once the immediate risk is clear there's no reason to delay. Get TF outa there. Straight into the nearest car, floor the pedal. There will already be a plan with route to the nearest designated hospital.

The failure really was that the assassin was permitted access to the rooftop with a commanding view (out of sight of the security team who were behind some trees). That was a total fuck-up. When the public raised the possibility of him up there, likely the cops assumed that he was part of scene security. I would have.

 

[Rotadom]

Adrenaline does strange things to people. Witness the SS chick not being able to reholster her weapon as an example. Anyone who doesn't understand that has never been in any life/death situation and should refrain from criticizing those in the immediate aftermath.

How many life and death situations has a widely respected and successful lawyer such as yourself been in?

Lol, hush.

 

[HisArpy]

Who the hell are you talking to? One of your cats?

The cats have more spatial awareness than you do.

I'll even go so far as to say that they can spell their own names better than you can.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Carrying the protectee only ties up your hands and renders you unable to respond to a renewed threat. If they can walk, then they walk.

If the secret service agents were concerned about a renewed threat, why did they allow Trump to stand up in full view of a second shooter?

 

[HisArpy]

You have some 'preaching credentials' on secret service protocols? Not that it's important to the thread, but his thoughts and words are like your opinion. You just finished a similar train of thought and now you are bashing another lit member for it.

I'm a lawyer, not USSS. If I were USSS I'd refrain from being a member of this website entirely except as a requirement for my job.

That doesn't mean I don't have other training and experiences as well as the knowledge that goes with. For instance, I've mentioned that I carry a gun daily. To do that in California you have to have a reason and the Sheriff has to approve that reason as being good enough to issue you a permit to do so. Then you have to get training from an approved instructor.

I believe I've also mentioned previously that I was one of those instructors. To be allowed to become one of those you have to have specific verifiable credentials, training and experience, and have your teaching curriculum approved by the Sheriff.

So yes, I have some "preaching credentials" that would inform me about SS protocols.

 

[HisArpy]

If the secret service agents were concerned about a renewed threat, why did they allow Trump to stand up in full view of a second shooter?

The all clear signal was given. At that point the objective was to evacuate. The best way to do that is to allow the protectee to get his fat ass moving.

 

[Rightguide]

LOL. MSNBC have pulled Morning Joe from the air. The radical left executives at the network made the call to pull "Morning Joe" off the air in the wake of the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. The reason why is telling. According to CNN, an extreme left network promoting conspiracy theories, which reported the development, this wasn't a case of routine preemption. After all, "Morning Joe" has been left intact through essentially every other breaking news story since its inception. Instead, the decision came from a much darker place: MSNBC couldn't trust that Joe, Mika, and its stable of lunatics wouldn't compare Trump to Hitler again.

"Morning Joe" has long been ground zero for "Trump is Hitler" rhetoric. Just a few months ago, Joe Scarborough claimed Republicans were like nazis excusing Kristallnacht, the violent and deadly attack on Jews that started the Holocaust. In late 2023, the host said Trump was going "full-on Hitler." The leadership at MSNBC, which itself is far from innocent in this scenario, took one look at the show's history and concluded that they simply couldn't trust that "Morning Joe" wouldn't address Trump's assassination by calling him a fascist who deserved it. It's astonishing, yet somehow not surprising.

It's also an admission. It's an admission that MSNBC and its litany of deranged hosts, from Nicole Wallace to Joy Reid, played a role in the attempted assassination of Trump. For years, they've been frantically calling Trump and other Republicans not just political opponents but literal "threats to democracy" who will end elections and set up a dictatorship. Those chickens came home to roost on Saturday, and instead of admitting there was a problem, MSNBC chose to cover it up temporarily.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2024/0...on-attempt-and-the-reason-is-telling-n2176876

NBC was afraid for their brand knowing that Morning Joe was an echo chamber for the kind of hysterically false anti-Trump propaganda that probably perpetuated the assassination attempt. The American left is the evil force in America today. Every assassination attempt against a US President in modern times has been perpetrated by the left. NBC could see a Bud-Lite moment in the near future.

 

[dkovic77]

I speak only of facts, not fantasy.

Carbon in water eh? Pure facts with you.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm a lawyer, not USSS. If I were USSS I'd refrain from being a member of this website entirely except as a requirement for my job.

That doesn't mean I don't have other training and experiences as well as the knowledge that goes with. For instance, I've mentioned that I carry a gun daily. To do that in California you have to have a reason and the Sheriff has to approve that reason as being good enough to issue you a permit to do so. Then you have to get training from an approved instructor.

I believe I've also mentioned previously that I was one of those instructors. To be allowed to become one of those you have to have specific verifiable credentials, training and experience, and have your teaching curriculum approved by the Sheriff.

So yes, I have some "preaching credentials" that would inform me about SS protocols.

DumbMallord wrongly assumes his lack of specific knowledge applies to everyone.

 

[HisArpy]

How many life and death situations has a widely respected and successful lawyer such as yourself been in?

Lol, hush.

Daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, or over the course of my lifetime?

In any event, I'll bet it's more than you ever have.

 

[HisArpy]

Carbon in water eh? Pure facts with you.

Some people find it refreshing.

Others continually live in denial that they were punked.

 

[Rotadom]

Daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, or over the course of my lifetime?

In any event, I'll bet it's more than you ever have.

People threatening to kill you because you are a piece of shit is not the same as life threatening situations, snowflake.