Time Magazine cover story: If He Wins

[JoePepsiCo]

The people who sponsor debates and the networks who air them will never put on a third-party candidate this late into the cycle so me calling for it would be a meaningless gesture therefore, your point is meaningless, just another poorly thought out attack on the person which addresses no point, your basic MO.

 

[HisArpy]

This unhinged nonsense doesn't deserve a response beyond being appalled at your language and utter loss of connection with reality.

I find it's not nonsense. Nor is it unhinged.

It might not be exact but it's a lot closer to the truth than most of what you spout.

Which is why you have no viable response. It's why you NEVER have a viable response and instead default to denial and dismissal rather than debate.

 

[adrina]

I find it's not nonsense. Nor is it unhinged.

It might not be exact but it's a lot closer to the truth than most of what you spout.

Which is why you have no viable response. It's why you NEVER have a viable response and instead default to denial and dismissal rather than debate.

No surprise. Whatsoever.

 

[HisArpy]

Please don't be willfully ignorant. Ukraine had the initiative. Had they been furnished with combined arms capability ( air land battle concept ) early in the conflict, air superiority and armor working together the Russians would have been decimated and suing for peace, but Biden dragged his feet and because of his feckless policy has extended the war, possibly lost it for Ukraine. I'm not sure if Ukraine received the F-16s as of yet.

Biden isn't threading the needle. Biden is incompetent. He fucked up in Afghanistan which gave Putin the green light. At the beginning, just before the conflict started Biden should have told Russia outright and sternly don't invade.

It would not required boots on the ground. Russian convoys were mired out in the open, sitting ducks for any kind of air support.

The president is responsible for how the taxpayer's money is spent. History is now telling us that Trump was dead on. Hunter working for Barisma was a conflict of interest, not only did it have the appearance of impropriety, but it was corrupt and Joe was right in the middle pulling the strings. Just because the DOJ refused to investigate doesn't mean that criminal behavior didn't happen. LTC Vindman was a traitor.

The problem is that Biden, like most people, refused to acknowledge what's really happening. So he, like most people, entered a kind of denial phase which includes a lot of posturing and a bit of appeasement in an attempt to ward off outright conflict.

This never works and only serves to prolong the opening phase as the aggressor probes for weaknesses to exploit as well as ascertain all of the potential combatants he's going to fight when he finally does move in.

 

[HisArpy]

No surprise. Whatsoever.

See? Right on script.

 

[adrina]

See? Right on script.

Yeah I'll come up with a thoughtful well written reply - to have it fall into the pits of ignorance and given the treatment of deflection, ascription or condescension.

I've told you this repeatedly yet you keep barking up this tree: you are not worth the effort. Nor is that POS that wrote that irrational screed.

Have a great day carbon water boy.

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah I'll come up with a thoughtful well written reply - to have it fall into the pits of ignorance and given the treatment of deflection, ascription or condescension.

I've told you this repeatedly yet you keep barking up this tree: you are not worth the effort. Nor is that POS that wrote that irrational screed.

Have a great day carbon water boy.

Still on script.

 

[icanhelp1]

We can certainly agree to disagree. I think putins rock and hard place would be which nuke to send where


Again, fair enough for your opinion. But don’t forget we wanted out of Afghanistan. And don’t pretend leaving Afghanistan was all on Biden, who did warn people to get out well in advance of the withdrawal. Your boy trump set it all in motion with a deadline or war would resume. That’s squarely on trump. And don’t forget he negotiated behind the back of the Afghan government.


You’re confusing yourself. We may have had some advisors slipping in and out. But let’s put the goalposts back where you started. If the US put in battalions of tanks and squadrons of aircraft at the start of putin’s invasion it would have required a massive amount of US boots on the ground for training/maintenance/resupply logistics. There’s no way around that in your give them the goods scenario.

Ukraine is well versed in combat tactics. Our mission would be to train on operations and maintenance of equipment that doesn’t require boots on the ground. Maybe covert advisers at most. Training would be located in surrounding countries like Poland and Germany where we have a large contingent of military trainers.

So you’re sure he’d back down without tossing a few nukes if the US said “hold up” with military force in Ukraine? Not to mention China might have chosen the moment to invade Taiwan

Russians using nukes is the end all, I’m going to go out on a limb here and speculate people around Putin would kill him before launching.

Your words here place you squarely in MAGAland. Loyalty to trump over the law and the constitution is the key to being in his circle.

Bullshit.

I don’t recall the specifics offhand, but I doubt Vindman would leapfrog chain of command as a first step

Believe it, his loyalty was to Ukraine over his own country.

Good, because you are willfully not understanding historical truth and reality at this point.

It would take pages to explain the intricacies of what really happened. I’m not going down that rabbit hole again.

You said this in your post #60: “It doesn’t matter whether he knew or not. Trump was spot on with countries paying their fair share. Trump cared about the American citizens, can’t say that about Biden. Biden is a narcissist, cares about his own political wellbeing.”

It didn’t matter because regardless of his banter he could pull us out of NATO.

First of all, Obama also pressured NATO and got countries to pay more. Secondly, trump doesn’t give a shit about American citizens beyond what they can do for him. Have you not noticed the lengths he goes to to get your last nickel? And thirdly, how out of touch are you to say Biden is a narcissist who cares only about his political wellbeing? That’s trumpian projection 101!

Biden is making demands on Israel that if we the U.S. were in the same situation would tell the world to go fuck themselves. Obama an Biden have for years displayed a negative towards Israel.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

IF he wins, do you think that there will be an outbreak of election-result denialism?

 

[icanhelp1]

The problem is that Biden, like most people, refused to acknowledge what's really happening. So he, like most people, entered a kind of denial phase which includes a lot of posturing and a bit of appeasement in an attempt to ward off outright conflict.

This never works and only serves to prolong the opening phase as the aggressor probes for weaknesses to exploit as well as ascertain all of the potential combatants he's going to fight when he finally does move in.

It boils down to engagement using halfass measures. Appeasement till the situation gets out of hand.

 

[icanhelp1]

IF he wins, do you think that there will be an outbreak of election-result denialism?

It happened in 2016 I have no reason to believe it won’t happen in 2024.

 

[adrina]

Still on script.

Yes. You are. As are your elk. Heh.

 

[RoryN]

Ooo...this thread has broken out into being a Deplorable freakshow! Why didn't you people tell me? *popcorn*

 

[jomar]

Ukraine is well versed in combat tactics. Our mission would be to train on operations and maintenance of equipment that doesn’t require boots on the ground. Maybe covert advisers at most. Training would be located in surrounding countries like Poland and Germany where we have a large contingent of military trainers.

Russians using nukes is the end all, I’m going to go out on a limb here and speculate people around Putin would kill him before launching.

Bullshit.

Believe it, his loyalty was to Ukraine over his own country.

It would take pages to explain the intricacies of what really happened. I’m not going down that rabbit hole again.

It didn’t matter because regardless of his banter he could pull us out of NATO.

Biden is making demands on Israel that if we the U.S. were in the same situation would tell the world to go fuck themselves. Obama an Biden have for years displayed a negative towards Israel.

lol, ok looks like this conversation has wound down

 

[HisArpy]

Yes. You are. As are your elk. Heh.

Le script:

Post controversial statement.
Dismiss any responses other than full agreement as not worthy of a response.
Denigrate everyone who objects or posts counter statement.
Say "Irony" out of context while engaging in ironic hypocrisy.


It's not like people can't see you do this time after time after time. Yet you still do it and think you're getting away with it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The people who sponsor debates and the networks who air them will never put on a third-party candidate this late into the cycle so me calling for it would be a meaningless gesture therefore,

Oh so now you cry because it's too late? Well maybe you should have been asking for this prior? That's on you AJ. You don't get to play the victim.

your point is meaningless, just another poorly thought out attack on the person which addresses no point, your basic MO.

LOL I'm not attacking you, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. Yes me pointing out your hypocrisy is my MO. I'm not ashamed of that.

 

[HisArpy]

It boils down to engagement using halfass measures. Appeasement till the situation gets out of hand.

Call it what it is; cowardice.

Most people are afraid to fight because if they fight they might get hurt. So, instead of fighting they try to get the bully to just go away. What they don't understand is that the bully isn't going to go away because he wants your shit and if you don't give it to him he's going to tell you that he'll hurt you.

You know who doesn't get bullied? People who immediately put a big hurt on the thug as soon as he opens his mouth.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

The problem is that Biden, like most people, refused to acknowledge what's really happening. So he, like most people, entered a kind of denial phase which includes a lot of posturing and a bit of appeasement in an attempt to ward off outright conflict.

This never works and only serves to prolong the opening phase as the aggressor probes for weaknesses to exploit as well as ascertain all of the potential combatants he's going to fight when he finally does move in.

WTF are you going on about. Biden took office on Jan 21 2021, Putin sends his massed troops into Ukraine on Feb 22 2021. What exactly did Biden do in those 31 days to show "appeasement".

Come on Councillor, show some evidence of your claim, your opinion isn't evidence in any court, except the court of opinion....

 

[HisArpy]

WTF are you going on about. Biden took office on Jan 21 2021, Putin sends his massed troops into Ukraine on Feb 22 2021. What exactly did Biden do in those 31 days to show "appeasement".

Come on Councillor, show some evidence of your claim, your opinion isn't evidence in any court, except the court of opinion....

^ conveniently forgets that Biden used to be VP under President "red line in the sand" Obama.

 

[adrina]

Le script:

Post controversial statement.
Dismiss any responses other than full agreement as not worthy of a response.
Denigrate everyone who objects or posts counter statement.
Say "Irony" out of context while engaging in ironic hypocrisy.


It's not like people can't see you do this time after time after time. Yet you still do it and think you're getting away with it.

Yeah I'll come up with a thoughtful well written reply - to have it fall into the pits of ignorance and given the treatment of deflection, ascription or condescension.

I've told you this repeatedly yet you keep barking up this tree: you are not worth the effort. Nor is that POS that wrote that irrational screed.

Have a great day carbon water boy.

 

[HisArpy]

Irony...

 

[Fuzzy1975]

^ conveniently forgets that Biden used to be VP under President "red line in the sand" Obama.

Who drew the line in the sand? Biden, or Obama? Try again Councillor....This is like you trying to pin Jan 6th on Pence. That's how poorly you thought out this defence.

PS I agree Obama fucked the pooch on not settling down Putin back then BTW.

 

[HisArpy]

Who drew the line in the sand? Biden, or Obama? Try again Councillor....This is like you trying to pin Jan 6th on Pence. That's how poorly you thought out this defence.

PS I agree Obama fucked the pooch on not settling down Putin back then BTW.

And Biden has 50 years in political office, complete with all the baggage, to show exactly who he is when push comes to shove.

Putin took Crimea when Obama was President and Biden VP. Putin waited until AFTER Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine. Conveniently while Biden is President.

It's not a coincidence. You trying to act like it is only shows that you're an apologist for the coward.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

And Biden has 50 years in political office, complete with all the baggage, to show exactly who he is when push comes to shove.

Putin took Crimea when Obama was President and Biden VP. Putin waited until AFTER Trump was out of office to invade Ukraine. Conveniently while Biden is President.

It's not a coincidence. You trying to act like it is only shows that you're an apologist for the coward.

Blah blah blah......Putin was going to invade no matter who won the Oval office. He preferred Trump beingre-elected, since Trump would have not been very willing to help Ukraine.

 

[HisArpy]

Blah blah blah......Putin was going to invade no matter who won the Oval office. He preferred Trump beingre-elected, since Trump would have not been very willing to help Ukraine.

Strange, when Trump won the Presidency in 2016 the talk was that it was the signal for Putin to invade.

Yet he DIDN'T.

Instead he waited until a feeble chicken shit coward was elected in 2020. the same feeble chicken shit who was VP the last time he invaded Ukraine.

And here you are thinking it's not a coincidence. Or that the evidence doesn't point directly to the conclusion I'm making.