Time Magazine cover story: If He Wins

[RobDownSouth]

Totalitarian dictatorships. You know.

The same 'dim0crazy" that gave us the face diaper and clot shot mandates.

Ahahahahahah pantifa wants a fight!

I have a better idea. Feed yourself!

Did you get "teh jab"? Yes or No.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Remember when he cut our taxes? That was terrible!

Remember when he added 7 Trillion to your national debt, cutting your taxes..

 

[Rightguide]

Look a realistic world that MAGA nation just doesn’t seem to get. If it were a 3rd world country they would see him as the villain. But it’s funny to you, watching him take apart the country, that’s on you.

You come across as a delusional fool. How is he taking apart the country? It's the Democrats and the left who are taking apart the country. Just look at the universities. Trump isn't doing that, but he will put a stop it once elected.

 

[wizzard426]

He needs to show he is young and healthy enough to do the job. Biden showed some fitness by biking past reporters. And he needs to catch up to the vax backlash that will probably destroy many politicians.

Xiden fell over standing still

 

[coati]

It's the Democrats and the left who are taking apart the country. Just look at the universities. Trump isn't doing that, but he will put a stop it once elected.

Once again, you take the Communist approach. This is not North Korea or China.

Protests happen in America. When protesters cross the line of legality, people get arrested or face other consequences. The vast majority of student protesters simply want their voices heard, and will not commit illegal acts. Protesting is allowed in this nation. Get over it, Commie.

 

[Bray123]

If Time puts Splurgey-Pants on their cover it'll be an improvement on the fake one that he made up and displayed in Mar y Stinko lobby (just because he has to pretend that he's really, really important).

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If Time puts Splurgey-Pants on their cover it'll be an improvement on the fake one that he made up and displayed in Mar y Stinko lobby (just because he has to pretend that he's really, really important).

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I thought he had to remove that, since it infringes on Time's copyright?

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

You are not afraid of totalitarian government then, or a government stomping on individual freedoms and crushing democracy.

Most of us are, and have a legitimate reason to be.

You call yourself a "Baby Boomer." Born, no doubt, in the early or mid-1950s.
I would guess that, even if your father, uncles, or grandparents didn't fight in the second world war, overseas, fighting against the very thing Trump represents, they would be rolling over in their grave angry and ashamed of you for supporting it.

Because you don't have a memory of what living under a totalitarian regime is like. Your parents generation don't either, but they understood, and thankfully they sacrificed their lives fighting against it.

YOU, on the other hand, are fighting FOR it.

Yes, we are afraid. And just like your parents generation fought for their freedom, my generation, and the one behind me, are ready and willing to do the same.

Thank you and so well said. Trump is dangerous and it is a smell of fear. It is the recognition of a dangerous, unbalanced and desperate fascist trying to destroy our democracy.

 

[icanhelp1]

Please elaborate with cites to back your claims up


Oh that’s right, you can’t.

It’s ok to disagree with opposing party policies, but if trump somehow wins you can say goodbye to democracy and hello to authoritarian regime

Well let’s just use one example of feckless foreign policy. What if 1 1/2 years ago Biden strapped on a pair and dispatched to Ukraine a brigade size element of Bradley’s and M1a2s complimented by a couple of squadrons of F-16s, go all in and make Russia pay. Along with other artillery, missile systems, anti tank and anti aircraft weapons systems the complexion of this war would be drastically different.

Biden wants Israel to incorporate half ass measures, kind of the same bullshit Biden incorporated in Ukraine. Guess what! The Israelis know how to fight and are going to eliminate their threat, they’ll win in spite of Biden’s feckless policy.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Remember when he added 7 Trillion to your national debt, cutting your taxes..

Most of us Americans are really happy with the extra money we get to keep under the TCJA and we’re pleased that the most of those tax cuts will be extended after 2025 regardless of who wins the White House.

 

[AlexBailey]

Well let’s just use one example of feckless foreign policy. What if 1 1/2 years ago Biden strapped on a pair and dispatched to Ukraine a brigade size element of Bradley’s and M1a2s complimented by a couple of squadrons of F-16s, go all in and make Russia pay. Along with other artillery, missile systems, anti tank and anti aircraft weapons systems the complexion of this war would be drastically different.

Biden wants Israel to incorporate half ass measures, kind of the same bullshit Biden incorporated in Ukraine. Guess what! The Israelis know how to fight and are going to eliminate their threat, they’ll win in spite of Biden’s feckless policy.

Holy fuck. After Trump withheld defense funds for Ukraine to try to drum up fake news about Biden you go and spout this bullshit?

How much is the GOP house behind Ukraine?

 

[icanhelp1]

Most of us Americans are really happy with the extra money we get to keep under the TCJA and we’re pleased that the most of those tax cuts will be extended after 2025 regardless of who wins the White House.

If I remember correctly the democrats were creaming in their pants with all that money. Not that Covid had anything to do with all that spending.

 

[icanhelp1]

Holy fuck. After Trump withheld defense funds for Ukraine to try to drum up fake news about Biden you go and spout this bullshit?

How much is the GOP house behind Ukraine?

He held up funding, they eventually got what they needed. Biden extorted Ukraine, refused outright to deliver funds unless they fire Shokin.

Obama sent them blankets and MREs.

 

[Bray123]

He held up funding, they eventually got what they needed. Biden extorted Ukraine, refused outright to deliver funds unless they fire Shokin.

Obama sent them blankets and MREs.

Fake news.

It was Trump who extorted Ukraine. Hint; that was one of the things he was impeached for.

You've missed one. I've yet to hear a MAGAT blame President Biden for Trump's mocking of the disabled.

 

[dkovic77]

You come across as a delusional fool. How is he taking apart the country? It's the Democrats and the left who are taking apart the country. Just look at the universities. Trump isn't doing that, but he will put a stop it once elected.

Wow. Put down the kool-aid.

He already tried once to interupt the transfer on Jan 6… and you want to give him another shot to do it again and then lock it down so he never has to leave?

So glad you are all about democracy and the constitution. Oh wait, that’s not you.

 

[lovecraft68]

When continual attempts to own the libs are more important than the continuance of the country...

When you continually deny the hatred, racism, and sexism of your party, the fascism, the horrific economy and supporting sick fucks with dicks between their legs ruining women's sports and walking into girls locker rooms, and teachers telling 5th graders about their genitals....you're infinitely worse.

Keep goosestepping into the fourth Reich you anti-semitic pro pedo, hatemonger.

 

[adrina]

When you continually deny the hatred, racism, and sexism of your party, the fascism, the horrific economy and supporting sick fucks with dicks between their legs ruining women's sports and walking into girls locker rooms, and teachers telling 5th graders about their genitals....you're infinitely worse.

Keep goosestepping into the fourth Reich you anti-semitic pro p3do, hatemonger.

This unhinged nonsense doesn't deserve a response beyond being appalled at your language and utter loss of connection with reality.

 

[dkovic77]

MAGA and reality aren’t in the same sentence…

 

[jomar]

Well let’s just use one example of feckless foreign policy. What if 1 1/2 years ago Biden strapped on a pair and dispatched to Ukraine a brigade size element of Bradley’s and M1a2s complimented by a couple of squadrons of F-16s, go all in and make Russia pay. Along with other artillery, missile systems, anti tank and anti aircraft weapons systems the complexion of this war would be drastically different.

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Biden wants Israel to incorporate half ass measures, kind of the same bullshit Biden incorporated in Ukraine. Guess what! The Israelis know how to fight and are going to eliminate their threat, they’ll win in spite of Biden’s feckless policy.

Biden is threading a needle. He works on a world stage and isn’t a reckless bull in an isolationist china shop. If he’d gone all in on Ukraine as you suggest above, which would have required mucho US boots on the ground for training/maintenance/resupply logistics, you’d be screaming about how he’s starting WW3.

He held up funding, they eventually got what they needed. Biden extorted Ukraine, refused outright to deliver funds unless they fire Shokin.

lol, nice absolute reversal of what actually happened, revisionist history indeed. Intellectually dishonest. You should be ashamed.

 

[icanhelp1]

Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Please don't be willfully ignorant. Ukraine had the initiative. Had they been furnished with combined arms capability ( air land battle concept ) early in the conflict, air superiority and armor working together the Russians would have been decimated and suing for peace, but Biden dragged his feet and because of his feckless policy has extended the war, possibly lost it for Ukraine. I'm not sure if Ukraine received the F-16s as of yet.

Biden is threading a needle. He works on a world stage and isn’t a reckless bull in an isolationist china shop. If he’d gone all in on Ukraine as you suggest above, which would have required mucho US boots on the ground for training/maintenance/resupply logistics, you’d be screaming about how he’s starting WW3.

Biden isn't threading the needle. Biden is incompetent. He fucked up in Afghanistan which gave Putin the green light. At the beginning, just before the conflict started Biden should have told Russia outright and sternly don't invade.

It would not required boots on the ground. Russian convoys were mired out in the open, sitting ducks for any kind of air support.

lol, nice absolute reversal of what actually happened, revisionist history indeed. Intellectually dishonest. You should be ashamed.

The president is responsible for how the taxpayer's money is spent. History is now telling us that Trump was dead on. Hunter working for Barisma was a conflict of interest, not only did it have the appearance of impropriety, but it was corrupt and Joe was right in the middle pulling the strings. Just because the DOJ refused to investigate doesn't mean that criminal behavior didn't happen. LTC Vindman was a traitor.

 

[jomar]

Please don't be willfully ignorant. Ukraine had the initiative. Had they been furnished with combined arms capability ( air land battle concept ) early in the conflict, air superiority and armor working together the Russians would have been decimated and suing for peace, but Biden dragged his feet and because of his feckless policy has extended the war, possibly lost it for Ukraine. I'm not sure if Ukraine received the F-16s as of yet.

I do agree that had the US went all in and supplied a shit ton of tanks and planes Russia would have been decimated. And then they’d use nuclear weapons as a last stand.

Biden isn't threading the needle. Biden is incompetent. He fucked up in Afghanistan which gave Putin the green light. At the beginning, just before the conflict started Biden should have told Russia outright and sternly don't invade.

Leaving Afghanistan was going to be a shit show no matter who pulled out. Be honest and admit your guy set the stage by making a timeline deal with the taliban, and not including the Afghan government by the way, after which they’d ramp the war back up if we’d have stayed

It would not required boots on the ground. Russian convoys were mired out in the open, sitting ducks for any kind of air support.

We could have sent in planes and tanks while Russian forces were stranded by the side of the road on their way to Kyiv. But training, maintenance and resupply would have been required and that would have meant US forces in Ukraine that early. Or maybe you’re talking about drones piloted by US pilots from their bunkers in Nevada and I’m sure that would have gone over well with Putin

The president is responsible for how the taxpayer's money is spent. History is now telling us that Trump was dead on. Hunter working for Barisma was a conflict of interest, not only did it have the appearance of impropriety, but it was corrupt and Joe was right in the middle pulling the strings. Just because the DOJ refused to investigate doesn't mean that criminal behavior didn't happen. LTC Vindman was a traitor.

Please stop. I get you’re all in on MAGA and the party kool aid and shared delusion and all, but the refusal and actual denial to see reality is saddening. Vindman called out a guy extorting a foreign country trying to get political dirt on a political opponent, which is against the rule of law, which trump falsely claims he’s for.

 

[icanhelp1]

I do agree that had the US went all in and supplied a shit ton of tanks and planes Russia would have been decimated. And then they’d use nuclear weapons as a last stand.

I disagree. It could have put Russia between a rock and a hard place. Peace talks.

Leaving Afghanistan was going to be a shit show no matter who pulled out. Be honest and admit your guy set the stage by making a timeline deal with the taliban, and not including the Afghan government by the way, after which they’d ramp the war back up if we’d have stayed

IMHO Trump was wrong and so was Biden. We should have never left, Afghanistan was a strategic asset in so many ways, politically, militarily and economically . We had Iran surrounded along with over the horizon intelligence capabilities.

We could have sent in planes and tanks while Russian forces were stranded by the side of the road on their way to Kyiv. But training, maintenance and resupply would have been required and that would have meant US forces in Ukraine that early. Or maybe you’re talking about drones piloted by US pilots from their bunkers in Nevada and I’m sure that would have gone over well with Putin

I believe we had advisors in Ukraine right from the beginning. Before equipment is issued training takes place out of country on complex equipment then after the initial training is completed it becomes train the trainer. The strength of our military is the emphasis we put on maintenance, fix forward concept, We learned that from the Israelis. Effective maintenance is a combat multiplier.

Putin would never want a war with the U.S., especially a conventional war with NATO. The Russian military would be left a complete pile of rubble. The Russians are still fighting WWII. Russia never learned anything from the first Iraq war.

Please stop. I get you’re all in on MAGA and the party kool aid and shared delusion and all, but the refusal and actual denial to see reality is saddening. Vindman called out a guy extorting a foreign country trying to get political dirt on a political opponent, which is against the rule of law, which trump falsely claims he’s for.

Having served in the military what Vindman did was a breach of loyalty and trust to his boss. He failed to follow the chain of command. Adam Schiff’s did some pretty underhanded things. I would have felt the same way towards Vindman had he did that to Biden.

Just as the IRS whistleblowers knew something was amiss with the Biden/Ukraine extracurricular activities I’m pretty certain Trump was also aware. IMHO. I’m not going to re-argue the point.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Well let’s just use one example of feckless foreign policy. What if 1 1/2 years ago Biden strapped on a pair and dispatched to Ukraine a brigade size element of Bradley’s and M1a2s complimented by a couple of squadrons of F-16s, go all in and make Russia pay. Along with other artillery, missile systems, anti tank and anti aircraft weapons systems the complexion of this war would be drastically different.

Biden wants Israel to incorporate half ass measures, kind of the same bullshit Biden incorporated in Ukraine. Guess what! The Israelis know how to fight and are going to eliminate their threat, they’ll win in spite of Biden’s feckless policy.

Well, Biden was playing a balancing game. Direct military intervention in Ukraine- American troops on the ground, American planes in the air, would likely have ignited WW3. Russia would have been forced to respond directly to the U.S. with military force. We would be dealing with Russian troops in Alaska, Russian missiles landing in California, and so on. Ukraine might have survived, but the collateral damage, to the U.S, Russia and possibly the rest of the world, would have been far greater. So, propping up Ukraine, keeping Russia occupied and tied down, in the hopes of not only curbing Putin's expansionist aims in Ukraine but keeping him from being tempted to spread to other Eastern European countries, was the conservative strategy but probably the safest one.


And again, in Israel, Biden wants to avoid America being drawn into another wider Middle Eastern War. You might recall the last one lasted nearly 20 years- and I'm guessing you are still pissed at Biden for the way it ended.

 

[Lazaran]

I do agree that had the US went all in and supplied a shit ton of tanks and planes Russia would have been decimated. And then they’d use nuclear weapons as a last stand.


Leaving Afghanistan was going to be a shit show no matter who pulled out. Be honest and admit your guy set the stage by making a timeline deal with the taliban, and not including the Afghan government by the way, after which they’d ramp the war back up if we’d have stayed


We could have sent in planes and tanks while Russian forces were stranded by the side of the road on their way to Kyiv. But training, maintenance and resupply would have been required and that would have meant US forces in Ukraine that early. Or maybe you’re talking about drones piloted by US pilots from their bunkers in Nevada and I’m sure that would have gone over well with Putin


Please stop. I get you’re all in on MAGA and the party kool aid and shared delusion and all, but the refusal and actual denial to see reality is saddening. Vindman called out a guy extorting a foreign country trying to get political dirt on a political opponent, which is against the rule of law, which trump falsely claims he’s for.

I would only add:

1) Ukraine was an UNKNOWN quantity at the start of the Russian invasion.

2) Afghanistan was a KNOWN quantity at the end of the western mission.

President Biden was clear eyed and pragmatic about both situations, and his administration’s policies and actions were a reflection of that.

That ^ also applies to President Biden’s policies and actions on Covid, climate, and the economy.

This administration has been rock steady in its thoughtful, measured responses to a whole host of issues.

 

[icanhelp1]

Well, Biden was playing a balancing game. Direct military intervention in Ukraine- American troops on the ground, American planes in the air, would likely have ignited WW3. Russia would have been forced to respond directly to the U.S. with military force. We would be dealing with Russian troops in Alaska, Russian missiles landing in California, and so on. Ukraine might have survived, but the collateral damage, to the U.S, Russia and possibly the rest of the world, would have been far greater. So, propping up Ukraine, keeping Russia occupied and tied down, in the hopes of not only curbing Putin's expansionist aims in Ukraine but keeping him from being tempted to spread to other Eastern European countries, was the conservative strategy but probably the safest one.


And again, in Israel, Biden wants to avoid America being drawn into another wider Middle Eastern War. You might recall the last one lasted nearly 20 years- and I'm guessing you are still pissed at Biden for the way it ended.

I never suggested direct intervention, you’re making shit up.