The future is dense, walkable cities.

[desecration]

Suburbs are the most polluting way to build. Dense, walkable cities with plants instead of parking lots are the greenest.

I don't agree. Having all that green space is very useful. Dense, walkable cities are pollution hotspots.

 

[wizzard426]

The roads are used by buses, bikes, emergency vehicles, trucks for deliveries, and vans for tradesmen. Vehicles that are more efficient and useful than private cars.

There isn't a bus........or a sidewalk..................within 100 miles

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I don't agree. Having all that green space is very useful. Dense, walkable cities are pollution hotspots.

Cities are pollution hot spots because of cars. Get rid of private cars and cities are greener than rural living.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There isn't a bus........or a sidewalk..................within 100 miles

Cars are fine as rural transport. They just don’t belong in cities.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I don't agree. Having all that green space is very useful. Dense, walkable cities are pollution hotspots.

We’d have more green space if we had more dense cities.
Suburbs reduce more green space since they spread out instead of up.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Suburbs are the most polluting way to build. Dense, walkable cities with plants instead of parking lots are the greenest.

I agree with you about how to improve cities. But suburbs exist and it’s where most people live (69% of Americans live in suburbs by one count). Even in a big city like LA, most of the developed land is suburban in form.

That’s why I’m interested in ways to improve suburbs. We can reduce trip length and increase opportunities for community interaction by adding new town centers to the existing suburban expanse.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Depending on the details. Megafarm monocropping with imported chemicals to make fertilizers and pesiticides, aquifer depletion, and huge diesel tractors is not at all green. That is currently the cities' food supply. When all that is gone, rural life will be greener, with horses pulling plows and produce wagons to smaller communities, not the huge cities of today.

People have to live somewhere. The rural utopia you’re describing can’t exist without killing off most of humanity.

Or … we can rebuild our cities to reduce our dependency on private cars.

 

[wizzard426]

Depending on the details. Megafarm monocropping with imported chemicals to make fertilizers and pesiticides, aquifer depletion, soil erosion, and huge diesel tractors is not at all green. That is currently the cities' food supply. When all that is gone, rural life will be greener, with horses pulling plows and produce wagons to smaller communities, not the huge cities of today.

Sorry, not going back to horses just because a communist wants to use a famine for genocide

 

[wizzard426]

People have to live somewhere. The rural utopia you’re describing can’t exist without killing off most of humanity.

Or … we can rebuild our cities to reduce our dependency on private cars.

Ahahahahaha that is exactly what Gates et al wants. He has openly admitted such in several forums, most notably at TED.

I already have my rural life. Do as you will, you can't stop me from pumping oil and refining.

 

[TrailerHitch]

People have to live somewhere. The rural utopia you’re describing can’t exist without killing off most of humanity.

Or … we can rebuild our cities to reduce our dependency on private cars.

Well isn't reducing the population the battle cry of most libs and their supporters? Honestly the less people the better in my mind. That's what makes rural living so awesome, less population density and the majority of people, while we take care of each other when needed, aren't so close to each other as to be in each other's business everyday.

 

[wizzard426]

Well isn't reducing the population the battle cry of most libs and their supporters? Honestly the less people the better in my mind. That's what makes rural living so awesome, less population density and the majority of people, while we take care of each other when needed, aren't so close to each other as to be in each other's business everyday.

It's the only justification they have for the systemic genocide of corporate abortions

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Well isn't reducing the population the battle cry of most libs and their supporters? Honestly the less people the better in my mind. That's what makes rural living so awesome, less population density and the majority of people, while we take care of each other when needed, aren't so close to each other as to be in each other's business everyday.

People’s lives are valuable. That’s why most liberals want stronger gun control. Cars kill about as many people every year in America as guns, so reducing the number of cars on the road saves lives.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

It's the only justification they have for the systemic genocide of corporate abortions

Women should be allowed to make their own healthcare choices.

 

[ll74]

It's the only justification they have for the systemic genocide of corporate abortions

Wtf is this word salad supposed to mean?

 

[desecration]

Cities are pollution hot spots because of cars. Get rid of private cars and cities are greener than rural living.

I don't agree here either. Any time you concentrate human activity, you are producing lots of pollution. It's physics: work requires force and produces waste.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I don't agree here either. Any time you concentrate human activity, you are producing lots of pollution. It's physics: work requires force and produces waste.

Private cars are one of the least efficient ways to move people around. If we build cities so their residents don’t need to drive, they won’t produce nearly as much pollution.

If you disperse the same number of people in the hinterlands, the increased distances involved means it takes more work to move them around. That’s basic physics.

 

[desecration]

Private cars are one of the least efficient ways to move people around. If we build cities so their residents don’t need to drive, they won’t produce nearly as much pollution.

If you disperse the same number of people in the hinterlands, the increased distances involved means it takes more work to move them around. That’s basic physics.

They are still going to produce pollution, except now it is on a giant concrete plate that reflects it upward. Spread people out among green space and the pollution is absorbed. Most of them can work locally if we get away from your idea of one giant downtown. Many cities like LA and Houston already have this kind of informal districting in place.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

They are still going to produce pollution, except now it is on a giant concrete plate that reflects it upward. Spread people out among green space and the pollution is absorbed. Most of them can work locally if we get away from your idea of one giant downtown. Many cities like LA and Houston already have this kind of informal districting in place.

L.A. isn't like Manhattan where everything is crammed in one small downtown area. It's a collection of villages that grew together over time. Fortunately we still have many of the original rail right-of-ways connecting the pockets of density, making it easier to rebuild the city so we can transition away from the polluting freeways.

Houston is in a far worse position. Its spawl was built entirely around car infrastructure which is unsustainable in the long run. Many of its outlying suburbs may have to be abandoned when they're no longer enough tax revenue to maintain the expensive road network.

 

[desecration]

Houston is in a far worse position. Its spawl was built entirely around car infrastructure which is unsustainable in the long run. Many of its outlying suburbs may have to be abandoned when they're no longer enough tax revenue to maintain the expensive road network.

Actually, Houston is exactly as you describe LA: a group of nearby communities that ran together over time. There is still extensive rail infrastructure, but like in LA, the growth is actually toward the exurbs, for example the fasted-growing area in America, the Spring-Woodlands complex.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1779941054222852104

 

[desecration]

The car dependency exists because no one wants to get stuck in the trailer park or ghetto hood areas, and no one wants public transit connecting those to their nice middle class homes.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The car dependency exists because no one wants to get stuck in the trailer park or ghetto hood areas, and no one wants public transit connecting those to their nice middle class homes.

Racism has alway gone hand-in-glove with car culture. That’s why many cities tore down black neighborhoods to build freeways.

 

[desecration]

Racism has alway gone hand-in-glove with car culture. That’s why many cities tore down black neighborhoods to build freeways.

It's not racism to want to avoid poor areas, hence the mention of trailer parks as well. Poor people commit the most crime.

 

[MajorRewrite]

It's not racism to want to avoid poor areas, hence the mention of trailer parks as well. Poor people commit the most crime.

Fearmongering is dumb. As long as you aren’t involved in the illegal drug trade, you can safely walk around in any neighborhood in the US.

 

[desecration]

Fearmongering is dumb.

It's not fearmongering to recognize risk. The problem is not walking around their neighborhood, but them coming into your neighborhood and stealing your stuff or assaulting you.