Will you vote for Trump?

[TastySuckToy]

The election of Donald Trump in 2016 was a Russian intelligence op. The entire Republican Party has been suborned.

You're actually unaware that two subsequent investigations by the justice department found there was no Russian collusion or intelligence op?

 

[Chernosoth]

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That is a decision many men will face as their hair retires. We can try to work with what's left or take it all off. Trump knew what he was doing when he marketed hats to a mostly older crowd.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

That is a decision many men will face as their hair retires. We can try to work with what's left or take it all off. Trump knew what he was doing when he marketed hats to a mostly older crowd.

It's a cartoon about Nazis, not hair loss.

 

[Deleted member 6666935]

I will not vote for Trump, or for anyone like him, because I believe in moving into the future instead of trying to return to the past. Also because I believe in liberty and justice for ALL!

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

I will not vote for Trump, or for anyone like him, because I believe in moving into the future instead of trying to return to the past. Also because I believe in liberty and justice for ALL!

Well said and thank you!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762563126459801737

 

[Chernosoth]

It's a cartoon about Nazis, not hair loss.

And failure. If throwing the Nazi label a hundred thousand more times is the best they can do, then they've already lost. Junior high school kids can do better than that.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And failure. If throwing the Nazi label a hundred thousand more times is the best they can do, then they've already lost. Junior high school kids can do better than that.

I think you misunderstand what the cartoon is saying.

The woman isn't calling the guy a Nazi. She's complaining about MAGA being racist. The guy then shaves his head and gets a swastika tattoo because he's been "bullied" into being a Nazi.

 

[TastySuckToy]

The woman isn't calling the guy a Nazi. She's complaining about MAGA being racist. The guy then shaves his head and gets a swastika tattoo because he's been "bullied" into being a Nazi.

If calling MAGA people racist turns turns them into Nazis, then people shouldn't call them racists to avoid creating Nazis?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

If calling MAGA people racist turns turns them into Nazis, then people shouldn't call them racists to avoid creating Nazis?

If being called a racist is enough to turn someone into a Nazi, they were a Nazi all along and what liberals do or say won't change that.

 

[TastySuckToy]

If being called a racist is enough to turn someone into a Nazi, they were a Nazi all along and what liberals do or say won't change that.

And if someone doesn't identify as a racist, do you respect their self identity?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And if someone doesn't identify as a racist, do you respect their self identity?

If someone talks and acts like a racist, they can deny the label all they want, but I'll still treat them like a racist.

It's the same with trans people. If you talk and act like a woman, I'll treat you like a woman, regardless of what you have between your legs.

If some hairy-chested dude announces "I'm a woman now, respect my identity!" without even trying to act feminine, I'll ignore him. Whatever he's got going on, I don't need to be a part of it.

 

[TastySuckToy]

If someone talks and acts like a racist, they can deny the label all they want, but I'll still treat them like a racist.

It's the same with trans people. If you talk and act like a woman, I'll treat you like a woman, regardless of what you have between your legs.

If some hairy-chested dude announces "I'm a woman now, respect my identity!" without even trying to act feminine, I'll ignore him. Whatever he's got going on, I don't need to be a part of it.

So your personal observations overrule a person's self identity claims. Is that a standard you agree everyone else can also apply?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

So your personal observations overrule a person's self identity claims. Is that a standard you agree everyone else can also apply?

If you treat a trans woman like a man, I'll assume you're a reactionary creep and treat you accordingly. Everyone is responsible for the consequences of their own actions.

 

[TastySuckToy]

If you treat a trans woman like a man, I'll assume you're a reactionary creep and treat you accordingly. Everyone is responsible for the consequences of their own actions.

But you didn't answer my question. You literally said you'll disregard/ignore a person's self identity claims if they contradict your personal observations and expectations:

If some hairy-chested dude announces "I'm a woman now, respect my identity!" without even trying to act feminine, I'll ignore him. Whatever he's got going on, I don't need to be a part of it.

I'm simply asking if you extend that same standard to other people who would exercise it.

 

[Chernosoth]

I think you misunderstand what the cartoon is saying.

The woman isn't calling the guy a Nazi. She's complaining about MAGA being racist. The guy then shaves his head and gets a swastika tattoo because he's been "bullied" into being a Nazi.

The Dems are still shouting racism because they need the distraction from a more severe division in this nation, between the wage class and salary class, the physical laborers and office drones. Voters are tired of that BS. Racist, nazi, evil puppy eater, that's all just very overdone propaganda to people who vote their own interests, not any party line.

 

[bijedi]

You're actually unaware that two subsequent investigations by the justice department found there was no Russian collusion or intelligence op?

Actually, I am aware the Mueller investigations resulted in 34 indictments or guilty pleas of Russian interference in the 2016 election. I am also aware that the Senate Intelligence Committee that found extensive Russian government directed activity aimed at interfering in US elections starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017.

It is a proven fact that Russia intelligence have been, and continue to run operation aimed at influencing and interfering in US elections.

 

[Lazaran]

But you didn't answer my question. You literally said you'll disregard/ignore a person's self identity claims if they contradict your personal observations and expectations:

I'm simply asking if you extend that same standard to other people who would exercise it.

From Wiki:

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity ("I'm just trying to have a debate"), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[1][2][3][4] It may take the form of "incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate"



TaintyFuckBoi

 

[Lazaran]

Actually, I am aware the Mueller investigations resulted in 34 indictments or guilty pleas of Russian interference in the 2016 election. I am also aware that the Senate Intelligence Committee that found extensive Russian government directed activity aimed at interfering in US elections starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017.

It is a proven fact that Russia intelligence have been, and continue to run operation aimed at influencing and interfering in US elections.

^
Completely true and accurate, but ultimately a waste of time on a Sea Lion like TaintyFuckBoi.

*nods*

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

But you didn't answer my question. You literally said you'll disregard/ignore a person's self identity claims if they contradict your personal observations and expectations:

I'm simply asking if you extend that same standard to other people who would exercise it.

My ethics are situational and contingent. If someone claims a particular self-identity, I take the context of their claim into account before I accept it.

If someone else offers a critique of that self-identity, I also take the context of the critique into account before accepting it.

I regularly dismiss bad-faith claims of identity. I also regularly dismiss bad-faith critiques of identity. My epistemology is consistently Pragmatic. I would prefer if more people believed as I do. Sadly there are a lot of Platonists who treat their own prejudices as moral absolutes.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You're actually unaware that two subsequent investigations by the justice department found there was no Russian collusion or intelligence op?

That's not what the Mueller said. The Senate report also didn't say there was no attempts at collusion. If you have two other investigation reports showing otherwise I'd like to see that info.

 

[adrina]

My ethics are situational and contingent. If someone claims a particular self-identity, I take the context of their claim into account before I accept it.

If someone else offers a critique of that self-identity, I also take the context of the critique into account before accepting it.

I regularly dismiss bad-faith claims of identity. I also regularly dismiss bad-faith critiques of identity. My epistemology is consistently Pragmatic. I would prefer if more people believed as I do. Sadly there are a lot of Platonists who treat their own prejudices as moral absolutes.

The sincerity of such a question must be posed. If the OP cannot tell the difference between the circumstances you described then they are not presenting themselves as sincere. Regardless if they identify as such. Heh.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I dismiss bad-faith claims of identity.

Ok then, I'm genuinely curious, what methodology do you apply to determine that?

For example, if a person genuinely believes they are cat (not a bad faith claim, they really believe it), do you accept their self identity as proof they are indeed cat?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Ok then, I'm genuinely curious, what methodology do you apply to determine that?

For example, if a person genuinely believes they are cat (not a bad faith claim, they really believe it), do you accept their self identity as proof they are indeed cat?

Who cares? They can think they are little green men from mars. I don't have to accept anyone's identity, I just have to show courtesy for what they think their identity is.

it really isn't that hard, except for a few who dislike change....

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Ok then, I'm genuinely curious, what methodology do you apply to determine that?

For example, if a person genuinely believes they are cat (not a bad faith claim, they really believe it), do you accept their self identity as proof they are indeed cat?

The important question is "Why do they think they're a cat?"

How I respond depends on the answer. Of course they're not physically a cat, but I would treat them differently depending on whether:

1. They're deluded
2. It's a joke
3. It's a fetish
4. Something else

If it doesn't do any harm, I'd probably go along with the bit, even through I don't care much for cats.

How would you act toward someone who claims to be a cat?

And another question: If they really truly believe themselves to be a cat, how do they tell me they're a cat? Cats can't talk.