Will you vote for Trump?

[adrina]

I have. And to be fair I’ve heard Biden’s speeches also. Both are blithering idiots with little to say.

I’d much rather a new crop of corrupt assholes on both sides pick up where these two geriatric assholes die off.

A new person who actually has an original non-pandering thought for once is impossible to find. No one successful enough to run this con try wants to deal with the shit box that is partisan politics.

I'd love some newer younger voices. But that's not the choice we have in front of us. Especially given the reality of voter (non) participation across the board - especially in primaries.

You know you keep saying the insane thing over and over again. Not sure what you get from it except notching another post.

I don't care enough about either side - both the Dems and repubs have some good points and some absolutely terrible ones.

I just want basic common sense and intellectual honesty from our leadership . . . You understand that don’t you?

Now here's where I'm going to pick a nit. If one is going to have intellectual honesty from our leadership then we should display it ourselves. If you want to label Biden as a "blithering idiot" comparable to Trump.... I'm not sensing the intellectual honesty. Biden IS old. His brain IS aging. As all of ours are. He is not a blithering idiot - not by definition and not by hyperbole. Regardless of what the conservative propaganda would like us to believe.

However, if one listens to any of Trump's recent speeches... "blithering" and "idiot" can be used as accurate descriptors. Especially if one goes by the dictionary definitions.

 

[RoryN]

There is plenty wrong with our party system, and the people and policies which are currently a part of it. No one blames anyone for wanting a complete tear-down.

This, however, is obviously not the time for it. First priority is to preserve the democracy as best we can - which makes November a binary and easy choice. If there's no democracy, everything else becomes moot. There'll be nothing to fix.

"I don't like any of it, so I'm not going to participate" will come with consequences to the people who adopt that stance. It's your right to take it, but not your right to avoid the aftermath.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

There is plenty wrong with our party system, and the people and policies which are currently a part of it. No one blames anyone for wanting a complete tear-down.

This, however, is obviously not the time for it. First priority is to preserve the democracy as best we can - which makes November a binary and easy choice. If there's no democracy, everything else becomes moot. There'll be nothing to fix.

"I don't like any of it, so I'm not going to participate" will come with consequences to the people who adopt that stance. It's your right to take it, but not your right to avoid the aftermath.

Calling for a “complete tear-down” is lazy. If you want to make major changes to the system say what should be changed and why. For example, I think Presidential elections would be more democratic if the number of electoral votes from each state was equal to its representation in the House. Adding in 2 Senators gives unfair power to small states.

 

[adrina]

I find the "complete tear-down" argument to be intellectually lazy and emotionally self indulgent. The reality is we can't pry these folks away from Target, Walmart, their video game consoles and the other things they distract themselves with to simply educate themselves and to vote then how in fuck will they successfully rebuild America?

Those things are easy in comparison to society/government building.

If they can't be bothered to be involved and vote now, chances are they aren't going to be bothered to later.

 

[jomar]

He was my President for four years; life was great.

I guess you don’t own a restaurant

Now everything sucks because the self appointed rulers hate average Americans.

Thats just absurd. Have you actually paid attention to what’s going on with the economy, for example? Meanwhile, repubs are on the verge of having a national ban on abortion, so much for states rights.

I've heard all his speeches. Got it. Done. Don't particularly like listening to him, because he's a Jersey guy and I'm a Southern gal.

Sure you have

I know he'll let me use whatever bathroom I like if I ever make it back to Manhattan (highly unlikely)

Not if repubs have their way

 

[Winchester3030]

Yes

 

[RobDownSouth]

I cannot, in good faith, imagine any reality where I would be compelled to vote for Donald Trump.
He is the antithesis of all that is good about America.
("antithesis" means "opposite", HisArpy).

 

[LLCox]

not no but hell no

 

[ll74]

No.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I find the "complete tear-down" argument to be intellectually lazy and emotionally self indulgent. The reality is we can't pry these folks away from Target, Walmart, their video game consoles and the other things they distract themselves with to simply educate themselves and to vote then how in fuck will they successfully rebuild America?

Those things are easy in comparison to society/government building.

If they can't be bothered to be involved and vote now, chances are they aren't going to be bothered to later.

I think that's also why they're so attracted to authoritarians. They yearn for a strong daddy to take care of them and make all the tough decisions.

 

[KeithD]

Simple yes or no.

Not in this lifetime--or the next . . . or the one after that.

 

[Lazaran]

Whenever a “both sides” argument is used it’s ALWAYS to defend conservatives.

Again, to be fair: there is a contingent on the radical left who does the same thing as they endeavor to co-opt the Democratic Party’s voting base and organizational infrastructure.

And who can blame the radical left? The radical right successfully co-opted the "republican" party.

Of course, the radical left will fail because the Democratic Party’s voters aren’t a flock of uneducated sheeple like "republicans".

There a reason they say that getting consensus in the Democratic Party is like herding cats; and the radical left will NEVER get all those different cats to fall in line with their communist manifesto pipe-dream vision for America. (Maybe if society totally collapses).

*nods*

 

[RobDownSouth]

Again, to be fair: there is a contingent on the radical left who does the same thing as they endeavor to co-opt the Democratic Party’s voting base and organizational infrastructure.

And who can blame the radical left? The radical right successfully co-opted the "republican" party.

Of course, the radical left will fail because the Democratic Party’s voters aren’t a flock of uneducated sheeple like "republicans".

There a reason they say that getting consensus in the Democratic Party is like herding cats; and the radical left will NEVER get all those different cats to fall in line with their communist manifesto pipe-dream vision for America. (Maybe if society totally collapses).

*nods*

Not to mention the Democratic party learned their lesson back in 1972 about well-organized fringe candidates taking over the national party (George McGovern). They instituted the "super delegate" rules to ensure mainstream candidates were favored over the fringe. This is what the Bernie Bros encountered in 2016 and they whined pitifully about how unfair it was.

 

[adrina]

Not to mention the Democratic party learned their lesson back in 1972 about well-organized fringe candidates taking over the national party (George McGovern). They instituted the "super delegate" rules to ensure mainstream candidates were favored over the fringe. This is what the Bernie Bros encountered in 2016 and they whined pitifully about how unfair it was.

And the stupid thing is if they had actually gone out and voted for Bernie in the primaries there is a very good chance he would have won and then faced Trump in the general. But because they didn't, he didn't. 2016 democratic primaries had a turnout at 14%. The average is 10-15%. All they had to do was show up and vote. If every Bernie supporter actually voted, it likely would have been a blow out. Instead they didn't do the one thing that would have brought him to victory: vote.

Talks is cheap. Very cheap.

 

[Nicefella]

I keep saying it because conservatives keep doing it.

If you want honesty and common sense, vote Democrat.

I don’t believe either party is honest or practical. Sorry.

I will
Most
Likely vote third party if I vote at all.

 

[SmokingFap]

Didn't know what other thread to put this on, so here it is. And don't get your panties all up in a bunch, MAGgots. They make fun of Biden at the end.

 

[Nicefella]

I find the "complete tear-down" argument to be intellectually lazy and emotionally self indulgent. The reality is we can't pry these folks away from Target, Walmart, their video game consoles and the other things they distract themselves with to simply educate themselves and to vote then how in fuck will they successfully rebuild America?

Those things are easy in comparison to society/government building.

If they can't be bothered to be involved and vote now, chances are they aren't going to be bothered to later.

This is where you are the one painting with the broad brush. Nothing about my disgust with both sides is lazy or self-indulgent. It’s my opinion and no less superior than yours.

Also - There is no complete tear down needed. You just need people in office who aren’t beholden to the institutions - but rather the people who put them in office.

Voting and choosing to vote is not a civic duty YOU can browbeat the masses to do. Not voting if that is what someone chooses to do is their choice. You do not somehow retain moral and intellectual superiority over non voters just because you chose to believe the slop Biden or Trump feed you.

Like it or note, the fact remains that the “Bernie Bros” refusing to vote caused Trump to win. And the Dems are fearful of that impact this time around as well. And they should be because they have excluded a lot of populations in making what they thought were politically expedient decisions.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I don’t believe either party is honest or practical. Sorry.

I will
Most
Likely vote third party if I vote at all.

Most third parties are Republican fronts set up to convince "independents" to throw their votes away.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm sure a lot of people here think I'm pro Trump because of the way I bash the left, but if you pay attention I generally take shots at both sides for being trash.

I voted for him in 2016 with the same 'why not, he's different' mentality I had when I voted Obama in 2008. I did not vote for Obama in 2012, nor did I vote for Trump in 2020 because both were a let down in different ways.

I voted indy in 2020 and will do the same this year.

But let me state the biggest reason I can't get over the fact this guy is even running.

I got in a lot of trouble in my early years, enough that I spent over a year in jail. I had two felonies on my record and because of that I could not vote for several years. I had to wait for a period of time then pay over $800(and this is back in the mid nineties) to get my record expunged and regain the right to vote.

If you are a convicted felon you cannot vote.

yet somehow this man who has spent the last year in court, has been found guilty on an array of serious charges, can run for president.

What kind of insanity is that?

People can hate on me for voting for him the first time, and that's fine. But I own it, and I always wonder how many people out there voted or him, but refuse to admit it?

 

[RoryN]

I'm sure a lot of people here think I'm pro Trump because of the way I bash the left...

I voted for him in 2016

https://forum.literotica.com/threads/cry-towels-on-sale-at-target.1605318/post-98418082

Only a fool would vote for either of these disgusting old slugs

You played yourself. Oops.

Bye now.

 

[adrina]

This is where you are the one painting with the broad brush. Nothing about my disgust with both sides is lazy or self-indulgent. It’s my opinion and no less superior than yours.

Also - There is no complete tear down needed. You just need people in office who aren’t beholden to the institutions - but rather the people who put them in office.

Voting and choosing to vote is not a civic duty YOU can browbeat the masses to do. Not voting if that is what someone chooses to do is their choice. You do not somehow retain moral and intellectual superiority over non voters just because you chose to believe the slop Biden or Trump feed you.

Like it or note, the fact remains that the “Bernie Bros” refusing to vote caused Trump to win. And the Dems are fearful of that impact this time around as well. And they should be because they have excluded a lot of populations in making what they thought were politically expedient decisions.

I wasn't addressing you. I was addressing the "tear it all down" concept. Are you part of the radical left contingent with that mentality that was being discussed in that particular exchange?

 

[Nicefella]

I wasn't addressing you. I was addressing the "tear it all down" concept. Are you part of the radical left contingent with that mentality that was being discussed in that particular exchange?

I am not. My apologies. I detest radical ideologies. I find them to be divisive and about as idiotic as some people here who espouse them proudly.

 

[Nicefella]

Most third parties are Republican fronts set up to convince "independents" to throw their votes away.

Oh for the love of all that is sane - please find someone else to pester with your opinions.

 

[CuriousinPennsylvania]

Oh for the love of all that is sane - please find someone else to pester with your opinions.

I can't help but wonder if the phrase, "you reap what you sow" might apply.

 

[adrina]

I am not. My apologies. I detest radical ideologies. I find them to be divisive and about as idiotic as some people here who espouse them proudly.

Understood.

Now I will say that the upcoming election is one to very carefully consider one's vote and the real value of a vote for an independent candidate.

Earlier you made a careless - if you meant something else, please feel free to clarify - statement regarding the candidates as if they were on the same level. I would warn anyone to be cautious of using such hyperbole to define one's choices.