Alabama Supreme court rules embryos are children

[HisArpy]

I did, and I'm not seeing what you're talking about. So please explain.

I did. You read more into what she said than what she actually said.

 

[TastySuckToy]

I did. You read more into what she said than what she actually said.

adrina's position is in favour of secular law, not religious law or religious justified law, regardless of whether anyone argues one religion is superior to another on arbitrary metrics.

What part of my reading there do you think is incorrect?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

bwahahahaha

Matlock has a petulant mad over his own fail and now he's gonna run out the clock by padding it with empty-calorie posts as usual.

https://i.gifer.com/XtT6.gif

 

[adrina]

You fail. You fail bigly almost every time you post. Then you hide behind your dripping hypocrisy.

You fail.

You're the moron who can't read and then gets all upset about it.

No one else has a problem understanding what I wrote. That makes it a you problem.

 

[HisArpy]

You're the moron who can't read and then gets all upset about it.

No one else has a problem understanding what I wrote. That makes it a you problem.

If you believe that you said something you actually DID NOT SAY, then quote it.

Quote where you said ALL religions or STFU before you really show off how fucking stupid you are.

 

[adrina]

Irony.

Do you honestly need your hand held that much?

Jesus fuck how you find a keyboard and use it is a miracle.

 

[HisArpy]

adrina's position is in favour of secular law, not religious law or religious justified law, regardless of whether anyone argues one religion is superior to another on arbitrary metrics.

What part of my reading there do you think is incorrect?

I believe your thinking includes facts not in evidence.

 

[HisArpy]

Irony.

Do you honestly need your hand held that much?

Jesus fuck how you find a keyboard and use it is a miracle.

^ your go-to when you realize you fucked yourself yet again.

 

[adrina]

^ your go-to when you realize you are arguing with a moron.

FYPYW

 

[TastySuckToy]

I believe your thinking includes facts not in evidence.

What facts?

 

[SmokingFap]

UAB pauses fertility treatments

more doctors will leave the state.

No in-vitro for Alabamians? So, they'll have to physically fuck their daughters, siblings, nieces, aunts, and cousins to procreate?



Oh, wait...

 

[adrina]

UAB pauses fertility treatments

more doctors will leave the state.

Two and three now.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/us/alabama-ruling-frozen-embryos-facility-pauses-ivf/index.html

Days after Alabama’s Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos are children, a third clinic pauses IVF treatment​

A third fertility clinic in Alabama has halted part of its IVF treatment programs following the state Supreme Court ruling that frozen embryos are children. The Center for Reproductive Medicine at Mobile Infirmary said it will stop treatments on Saturday “to prepare embryos for transfer,” according to a statement from the clinic.

Earlier Thursday, Alabama Fertility’s clinic in Birmingham “paused transfers of embryos for at least a day or two,” according to Penny Monella, the chief operating officer at Alabama Fertility Specialists.

The University of Alabama at Birmingham health system on Wednesday became the first organization in the state to confirm that it is pausing IVF treatment out of legal concerns in the wake of the court’s ruling.

 

[bijedi]

So quoting the Bible is dramatic but quoting the Quran isn't?

You really are fucked up in the head.

Who quoted the Quran?

This thread is about a court decision that quotes Hebrew Bible verses as part of its legal reasoning.

Some of us object to that. Objecting to a using the Hebrew Bible as justification in a legal opinion is not an endorsement of using the Quran (or the Vedas or any other religious writings).

No one is this thread has taken the position that quoting the Hebrew Bible (or the Christian New Testament) is bad but quoting the Quran would be acceptable. If you believe that is the case, you have very poor reading and comprehension skills.


But we already knew that.

 

[RobDownSouth]

So quoting the Bible is dramatic but quoting the Quran isn't?

You really are fucked up in the head.

Hey HisArpy, you went to an accredited law school, right?

The Establishment Clause.....did it establish "Christianity" or "Islam" as our National Religion for use in our court system?

Had to be one of those two, reading your answer above, right?

So which is it?

Enlighten us.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Which is not what she SAID, it's what you read into her posts.

You didn't read WHAT SHE SAID. Or you did and you're too stupid to understand.

 

[colddiesel]

No in-vitro for Alabamians? So, they'll have to physically fuck their daughters, siblings, nieces, aunts, and cousins to procreate?



Oh, wait...

Blatant Momism! So shameful.

 

[coati]

The Satanic Church should invoke scripture about the Devil's spawn. Now that there is no separation between church and state, maybe I can claim each sperm as a dependant on my tax returns.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Hey HisArpy, you went to an accredited law school, right?

Billy Joe Bob’s Transmission Service & Law School

 

[adrina]

Alabama justice who ruled embryos are people says American law should be rooted in the Bible​

Tom Parker, chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, expressed his support for the Seven Mountains Mandate, a once-fringe philosophy that calls on evangelical Christians to reshape American law and society based on their beliefs.

On the same day that Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Tom Parker handed down an opinion declaring that fertilized frozen embryos are people, imperiling women’s access to in vitro fertilization treatments, he espoused support for a once-fringe philosophy that calls on evangelical Christians to reshape society based on their interpretation of the Bible.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-justice-embryos-biblical-seven-mountains-rcna139969

 

[adrina]

 

[Rick345]

I think a bit of background is needed to understand the courts ruling. My wife now retired worked in IVF labs for almost 40 years.. In 2013 in Mobile, Alabama a disgruntled university employee entered the university IVF lab and opened several containers of frozen embryos, once the liquid nitrogen boiled off the embryos perished.. In another case in the same lab a technician was careless and injured their handle the super cold dishes restoring the embryos.

In 2010 an Alabama women was mugged the brutality of the attack caused her the miscarriage. The court ruled the miscarriage a homicide.. So there is legal precedence to regard the death of an unborn by the hand of another as murder.. If someone mugs or otherwise assaults a women causing her to lose her unborn baby. The people of Alabama, in a 2018 ballot measure that recognized fetuses as persons under state law. The People of this State, have adopted a Constitutional amendment directly aimed at stopping courts from excluding ‘unborn life’ from legal protection.”

So in Alabama if you mug or otherwise attack someone and your actions result in the death of their unborn child you have committed murder. I don’t disagree with that. That’s how the embryos are people thing started.

Now back to the IVF labs three Alabama couples elected to store their excess embryos at the Mobile clinic from 2013 to 2016. In December 2020, however, a patient from an attached hospital entered the clinic, handled some of the embryos and injured their hand, given the subzero temperatures at which the embryos are stored. As a result, they dropped the embryos and accidentally destroyed them.

At another time the same lab suffered an attack were upset at her husband for having an affair broke into the lab and destroyed several containers of embryos in hopes of destroying the embryos of the woman her husband had an affair with.. There were many questions about security, what to do about the woman that broke in, how to compensate the women who lost embryos. Laws were not in place for dealing with something like this.

The plaintiffs sued, first alleging that the clinic was negligent in how it monitored the embryos, contending that the clinic breached the contract it signed with the couples. The couples also had a much more controversial claim: that their embryos counted as “children” or “persons” under the state’s wrongful death of a minor law.

The irony in the Alabama court’s decision is that more Americans who want to be parents will be unable to achieve that dream. If an embryo is a person, it can no longer be destroyed, donated for research or potentially even stored.

There are a host of questions that need answers. The whole thing will take years to straighten out..

If you attack someone causing them to miscarriage is that murder?
If someone breaks into a lab and willfully destroys hundreds of embryos, should they be punished? how?
If a doctor has to destroy several implanted embryos so a woman doesn’t have octuplets is that a crime?
If someone accidentally drops a dish of embryos destroying them is that a crime? And the list goes on and on I have no answers.. Whatever law is written some circumstance will arise which the law will not foresee.

 

[HisArpy]

Talk about reading comprehension issues; you dipsticks seem to believe I support the decision.

How about going back and seeing where I posted that it will be overturned on appeal.

 

[HisArpy]

FYPYW

lol, deflection abounds every time you fuck yourself over.

 

[HisArpy]

What facts?

That adrenal bland said something she didn't.

 

[TastySuckToy]

That adrenal bland said something she didn't.

You've being vague and evasive.

Demonstrate the difference between what she thinks she said and what you think she actually said.