Is Trump fit for a second term?

[dmallord]

The real question is :-
Was Trump fit for the first term?

Clearly a rhetorical question. See above post #102 Trump facts.

 

[dmallord]

Trump speaking at a rally about the Federal court systems and his upcoming Supreme Court appeals [quote from CNN article]:

“When you are a Republican judge, and you have been appointed by, let’s say Trump, they go out of their way to hurt you, so that they can show that they have been fair, fair, honorable people. It’s an amazing difference.” Trump went on, “It’s a different wiring system or something – but all I want is fair, I fought really hard to get really three very, very good people [Supreme Court justices] … I just hope that they are going to be fair because the other side plays the ref.”

If this sounds familiar, the same principle was applied to Mike Pence when Trump noted that if Pence didn't do the 'right thing' he wouldn't like him very much. Moments later, Trump marshaled a crowd to march to the Capitol.

 

[HisArpy]

I have seen it live on TV...that's enough proof...

You saw what the media wanted you to see in order for them to shape the narrative they wanted you to believe. You didn't see "the truth" you saw a story prepared specifically for you - the low information idiot.

 

[jomar]

You saw what the media wanted you to see in order for them to shape the narrative they wanted you to believe. You didn't see "the truth" you saw a story prepared specifically for you - the low information idiot.

Lol, we saw what every station was recording. Quit trying to rewrite history

 

[dystracted]

Lol, we saw what every station was recording. Quit trying to rewrite history

and the documented fact that Obamas inauguration was much more crowded than that of that moron was fake news too, I guess?

 

[HisArpy]

Lol, we saw what every station was recording. Quit trying to rewrite history

Again, what you saw was what the media wanted you to see. Everything you see is edited by the source before it goes out. So you didn't see "THE TRUTH" what you saw was what someone wanted you to see so that their side of the story got told.

Even when this is pointed out you still refuse to accept that you only have half the story, and the most biased and damaging version of it as could possibly be managed and produced.

Trump specifically told his audience to make their VOICES heard and to protest PEACEFULLY. Yet you refuse to accept that and instead believe what you're told that it was an insurrection of violence. As more and more people assembled outside the building Pelosi and the rest of the tyrants inside called upon armed protection to "repel" the citizens protesting against them with force. Something tyrants always seem to do every time they're in power. And, as usual when dealing with tyrants, people died.

Yet you believe what you were told that Trump is the bad guy. Because he held a rally and told his audience to be peaceful and raise their voices in protest. As is their Right under the Constitution.

The officer who killed Ashley Babbitt committed manslaughter and should have been prosecuted under the law. Pelosi/Schumer/et al are tyrants. And you support THEM over your neighbors and fellow citizens. Because the MSM tells you to.

What are you going to say when the SCOTUS hands down a decision that Trump is eligible and that the 14th doesn't apply? Will you admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

What are you going to do when the appeals court tosses out the Leticia James verdicts? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

What are you going to do when the courts dismiss the Jack Smith Prosecutions because of Presidential immunity? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

And what are you going to do when Fani Willis goes to prison after the Georgia case is dismissed? Admit once again that you're wrong? Or will you STILL continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?


You're being lied to. I keep telling you that you're being lied to. And I keep being proven to be correct in what I'm telling you.

And you still disbelieve what I'm saying because you'd rather believe those who hand out the sweetest of all things; lies.

 

[ll74]

Again, what you saw was what the media wanted you to see. Everything you see is edited by the source before it goes out. So you didn't see "THE TRUTH" what you saw was what someone wanted you to see so that their side of the story got told.

Even when this is pointed out you still refuse to accept that you only have half the story, and the most biased and damaging version of it as could possibly be managed and produced.

Trump specifically told his audience to make their VOICES heard and to protest PEACEFULLY. Yet you refuse to accept that and instead believe what you're told that it was an insurrection of violence. As more and more people assembled outside the building Pelosi and the rest of the tyrants inside called upon armed protection to "repel" the citizens protesting against them with force. Something tyrants always seem to do every time they're in power. And, as usual when dealing with tyrants, people died.

Yet you believe what you were told that Trump is the bad guy. Because he held a rally and told his audience to be peaceful and raise their voices in protest. As is their Right under the Constitution.

The officer who killed Ashley Babbitt committed manslaughter and should have been prosecuted under the law. Pelosi/Schumer/et al are tyrants. And you support THEM over your neighbors and fellow citizens. Because the MSM tells you to.

What are you going to say when the SCOTUS hands down a decision that Trump is eligible and that the 14th doesn't apply? Will you admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

What are you going to do when the appeals court tosses out the Leticia James verdicts? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

What are you going to do when the courts dismiss the Jack Smith Prosecutions because of Presidential immunity? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

And what are you going to do when Fani Willis goes to prison after the Georgia case is dismissed? Admit once again that you're wrong? Or will you STILL continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?


You're being lied to. I keep telling you that you're being lied to. And I keep being proven to be correct in what I'm telling you.

And you still disbelieve what I'm saying because you'd rather believe those who hand out the sweetest of all things; lies.

The Capitol was closed and 45 knew that. Can you explain what 45 said to them to instruct them not to trespass?

 

[dystracted]

this discussion doesn't make sense. And in case Trump wins he's exactly what his idiot voters deserve. A narcistic dictator not giving a shit about the country and the people, but only caring for himself.

 

[jomar]

Again, what you saw was what the media wanted you to see. Everything you see is edited by the source before it goes out. So you didn't see "THE TRUTH" what you saw was what someone wanted you to see so that their side of the story got told.

Even when this is pointed out you still refuse to accept that you only have half the story, and the most biased and damaging version of it as could possibly be managed and produced.

Trump specifically told his audience to make their VOICES heard and to protest PEACEFULLY. Yet you refuse to accept that and instead believe what you're told that it was an insurrection of violence. As more and more people assembled outside the building Pelosi and the rest of the tyrants inside called upon armed protection to "repel" the citizens protesting against them with force. Something tyrants always seem to do every time they're in power. And, as usual when dealing with tyrants, people died.

Yet you believe what you were told that Trump is the bad guy. Because he held a rally and told his audience to be peaceful and raise their voices in protest. As is their Right under the Constitution.

The officer who killed Ashley Babbitt committed manslaughter and should have been prosecuted under the law. Pelosi/Schumer/et al are tyrants. And you support THEM over your neighbors and fellow citizens. Because the MSM tells you to.

What are you going to say when the SCOTUS hands down a decision that Trump is eligible and that the 14th doesn't apply? Will you admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

What are you going to do when the appeals court tosses out the Leticia James verdicts? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

What are you going to do when the courts dismiss the Jack Smith Prosecutions because of Presidential immunity? Admit you're wrong? Or will you continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?

And what are you going to do when Fani Willis goes to prison after the Georgia case is dismissed? Admit once again that you're wrong? Or will you STILL continue to espouse the lies of the MSM?


You're being lied to. I keep telling you that you're being lied to. And I keep being proven to be correct in what I'm telling you.

And you still disbelieve what I'm saying because you'd rather believe those who hand out the sweetest of all things; lies.

There used to be an old tv show, the power rangers, in which Rita repulse said it is good to be bad, and was all about fighting. At the very end in small print and ain a superfast voiceover-stay in school and don’t do drugs, which was to simply meet broadcast standards and was at total odds with the content of the show.

So trump telling people he assembled with dog whistling and gonna be wild, stand up and stand back, was a wink and a nod he could use to say, who me? And idjits like you would blindly believe! Give me a break. Trump also told them he walk side by side with them, but didn’t.

Maybe you should volunteer to be one of his attorneys since you believe he is an honorable but misunderstood victim.

 

[adrina]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756116291541258242

 

[PaxNurgle]

To claim Trump didn't incite an insurrection and that it was a "Peaceful Protest" is just absolute idiocy. I can't believe we are even having this discussion. It is like claiming that the 49ers actually won the Super Bowl, and it is only your OPINION that Kansas City won- "because MSN said so," and what was on TV was "staged" and only showing "Half the truth."

Fucking idiocy. Icanhelp1 can go live in his fantasy land that a bunch of flower children with peace signs and flowers in their hair walked to the capitol that day holding hands and singing "Kuumbya" while armed thugs executed a brutal Bloody Sunday massacre, but anyone with half a brain- which obviously doesnt include (whichever name Icanhelp1 is using at any given time) knows exactly what really happened.

And Icanhelps "opinion" that it was a "Peaceful protest" that Trump had nothing to do with, has about as much validity as my "opinion" that San Francisco actually won the Super Bowl. (and like Icanhelp1 I wish that my delusional fantasy was true, but unlike him- I actually have a grip on reality.)

 

[HisArpy]

To claim Trump didn't incite an insurrection and that it was a "Peaceful Protest" is just absolute idiocy. I can't believe we are even having this discussion. It is like claiming that the 49ers actually won the Super Bowl, and it is only your OPINION that Kansas City won- "because MSN said so," and what was on TV was "staged" and only showing "Half the truth."

Fucking idiocy. Icanhelp1 can go live in his fantasy land that a bunch of flower children with peace signs and flowers in their hair walked to the capitol that day holding hands and singing "Kuumbya" while armed thugs executed a brutal Bloody Sunday massacre, but anyone with half a brain- which obviously doesnt include (whichever name Icanhelp1 is using at any given time) knows exactly what really happened.

And Icanhelps "opinion" that it was a "Peaceful protest" that Trump had nothing to do with, has about as much validity as my "opinion" that San Francisco actually won the Super Bowl. (and like Icanhelp1 I wish that my delusional fantasy was true, but unlike him- I actually have a grip on reality.)

Someone needs an intervention from his family.

 

[PaxNurgle]

No, Mr. Spencer, what is needed, is YOU need a reality check!

You had an armed mob angrily chanting "Hang Mike Pence."
You had an armed mob breaking into the halls of Congress and trashing it.
Capital mall security assaulted and traumatized.
Congresspeople in fear for their lives, cowering and hoping to get out safely.
All attempting to subvert an election that did not go their way.

...and you would have us believe this was a PEACEFUL PROTEST? And NOT a Violent insurrection? You, sir, are living in a delusional dream world. Even you, in your little toddler's brain, know deep down it was nothing less what it was. You claim otherwise, because the thought of a corrupt strong man seizing power and implementing his dictatorial neo-Apartheid fantasies makes your training pull-ups wet.

I remember that day very clearly, transfixed in horror at what I saw taking place at the Capital. At the violent mobs defiling the capital and calling for the death of our elected officials. I remember that I prayed for our congressmen, our nation, and our representatives that day, that they would be safe, and that our country would be safe. And when it was over, I also prayed that there would be consequences for each and every one of those traitors responsible. The fact that Trump, their leader, is not in prison for instigating this is, in my opinion, an absolute travesty of justice, and anyone who truly cares about justice and about America will feel the same way.

And yet, you defend this horror show, claiming it was a "Peaceful Protest" and that attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice is a "Witch hunt" and there is "No proof that Trump committed an insurrection."
Bullshit. Even you, deep down, know it's bullshit.

Know what, mister former Bud Spencer, or former Dmonty, Tanjaguar, or whatever the fuck you call yourself? In your own words, and on behalf of every decent, loyal and patriotic American, from the bottom of our hearts...GO FUCK YOURSELF.

 

[dmallord]

Amen to the above.
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Loser Donald Trump's legal world is akin to the pieces of an Oppenheimer atomic bomb being assembled. There are so many legal trial cases pending that the justice system is having trouble fitting them into a reasonable calendar of events so each doesn't collide like the atom as it explodes, being pummeled by trials and political events contending with one another. They are being stacked around the loser, prepped to implode upon him.

Five major legal battles are in the works. It seems the first will be, oh the irony here, a fraud trial over hush money to silence Stormy Daniels from spilling the beans about her ninety-second sexcapade with Donald Trump. [90 seconds - her words.] New York laws apply here. Trump's tax claim is the $130,000 hush money was for business purposes to his attorney when it was actually traced to repayments for her silence via a non-disclosure agreement. $130K for ninety seconds of sex is a high-dollar service - well, perhaps not as much now that I think about it as $83.3m for sexual assault payments due to another lady for sex in a changing room closet.

Jack Smith clearly had his Supreme Court paper-work response written asking the Supreme Court to reject the Loser's request to deny Trump's claim that he is immune to legal actions because he was a one-time president. The Court gave Smith a week to file - Smith filed today - a new record response. Clearly he wants a swift trial date and hopefully before elections.

So do I. Hopefully, so do most Americans. It would help stop some of the wild crap here about Truman being a victim of political hype,' and this is a 'witch hunt' series on television.

Loser Trump's legal world is about to implode. Stand back and put on your dark goggles. The universe is about to glow.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Clearly he wants a swift trial date and hopefully before elections.

So do I.

Exactly. Smith is pursuing a political calendar.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Fake electors in Michigan and six other battleground states sent certificates to Congress falsely declaring Trump the winner of the election in their state, despite confirmed results showing he had lost. Georgia and Nevada also have charged fake electors. Republicans who served as false electors in Wisconsin agreed to a legal settlement in which they conceded that Joe Biden won the election and that their efforts were part of an attempt to improperly overturn the 2020 results.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...he-never-intended-to-make-false-public-record

 

[eigenschwarz]

Qualifications for the Presidency are light in the Constitution. On character, there are none at all. Trump met them the first time he ran. It appears uncertain whether he exhibits the traits that mark a good presidency the second time, although his MAGA crowd cheers for him. Is he really 'that' well qualified to run again? Your thoughts?

That asshole wasn't fit for a first term, and I blame the RNC for letting him run in the 2015 primaries. Dumb fucks should have known better.

 

[dmallord]

Add March 25th to your calendars. Trump goes on trial for his first criminal case.

 

[HisArpy]

No, Mr. Spencer, what is needed, is YOU need a reality check!

You had an armed mob angrily chanting "Hang Mike Pence."
You had an armed mob breaking into the halls of Congress and trashing it.
Capital mall security assaulted and traumatized.
Congresspeople in fear for their lives, cowering and hoping to get out safely.
All attempting to subvert an election that did not go their way.

...and you would have us believe this was a PEACEFUL PROTEST? And NOT a Violent insurrection? You, sir, are living in a delusional dream world. Even you, in your little toddler's brain, know deep down it was nothing less what it was. You claim otherwise, because the thought of a corrupt strong man seizing power and implementing his dictatorial neo-Apartheid fantasies makes your training pull-ups wet.

I remember that day very clearly, transfixed in horror at what I saw taking place at the Capital. At the violent mobs defiling the capital and calling for the death of our elected officials. I remember that I prayed for our congressmen, our nation, and our representatives that day, that they would be safe, and that our country would be safe. And when it was over, I also prayed that there would be consequences for each and every one of those traitors responsible. The fact that Trump, their leader, is not in prison for instigating this is, in my opinion, an absolute travesty of justice, and anyone who truly cares about justice and about America will feel the same way.

And yet, you defend this horror show, claiming it was a "Peaceful Protest" and that attempts to bring the perpetrators to justice is a "Witch hunt" and there is "No proof that Trump committed an insurrection."
Bullshit. Even you, deep down, know it's bullshit.

Know what, mister former Bud Spencer, or former Dmonty, Tanjaguar, or whatever the fuck you call yourself? In your own words, and on behalf of every decent, loyal and patriotic American, from the bottom of our hearts...GO FUCK YOURSELF.

^ triggered once again

 

[HisArpy]

Exactly. Smith is pursuing a political calendar.

He may get his head handed to him instead. We shall have to wait & see.

 

[dmallord]

Seems that the latest 'head' that got handed was Donald J. Trump Jr and sons. The judge handed them a NY $355 million dollar judgment, banded them for a few years as officers, and appointed two babysitters for the Trump Enterprises in NY for the next three years.

Trump imploded, ran outside, and ranted it was Joe Biden's attempt to keep him from running for office. Oh, and he plans to appeal the lunatic judge's decision. Loser noted everyone knew it was a perfect loan deal - the Banks even got their money with interest. Nobody lost on the deal, he stated.

Nice try, Donnie. Maybe you might not have stirred up such a stink if you gave a little more out in the hush money that precipitated this.

Time to break that piggy bank! Let's see: 5m + 83.3 m + 355 million + lawyers fees + legal fees + those two newly appointed overseer fees + the appeal = a Russian-sized oil tanker load of coinage needed in NY harbor. Wonder if anyone has a spreadsheet with all the costs in those other cases?

 

[MajorRewrite]

Time to break that piggy bank! Let's see: 5m + 83.3 m + 355 million + lawyers fees + legal fees + those two newly appointed overseer fees + the appeal = a Russian-sized oil tanker load of coinage needed in NY harbor.

But you’ve forgotten one key factor: Trump doesn’t pay what he owes. Never has. In this case, he’ll stall and eventually declare bankruptcy to try to avoid paying anything. Considering his bad health, it’s probable he dies before paying a dime.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

But you’ve forgotten one key factor: Trump doesn’t pay what he owes. Never has. In this case, he’ll stall and eventually declare bankruptcy to try to avoid paying anything. Considering his bad health, it’s probable he dies before paying a dime.

This time he owes it to the State. Trump's normal approach is to litigate, lose, appeal, lose then fail to pay. Which leads to another round of going to court, where Trump litigates, loses, fails to pay. By this time, the person suing Trump has ran out of money, patience and settles.

The State will not run out of time, money nor patience .

I've also read if he wants to appeal he will need to front up some cash towards the settlement, possible the full amount. Though I am not sure how that fits into the US legal civil system.

 

[dmallord]

But you’ve forgotten one key factor: Trump doesn’t pay what he owes. Never has. In this case, he’ll stall and eventually declare bankruptcy to try to avoid paying anything. Considering his bad health, it’s probable he dies before paying a dime.

This time he owes it to the State. Trump's normal approach is to litigate, lose, appeal, lose then fail to pay. Which leads to another round of going to court, where Trump litigates, loses, fails to pay. By this time, the person suing Trump has ran out of money, patience and settles.

The State will not run out of time, money nor patience .

I've also read if he wants to appeal he will need to front up some cash towards the settlement, possible the full amount. Though I am not sure how that fits into the US legal civil system.

Trump's past legal entanglements and bankruptcies may have had a means of escaping some of his debtors or for them to have run out of their funds fighting his appeals, as you noted. Notable among them are Trump Taj Mahal (1991), Trump's Atlantic City casino filed for bankruptcy, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts (2004), Trump's casino holding company filed for bankruptcy, and Trump Entertainment Resorts (2009). Another Atlantic City casino owned by Trump faced bankruptcy.

As you noted his bankruptcies have often left creditors and suppliers with unpaid debts, raising questions about his financial integrity and business practices. Despite these setbacks, Trump has maintained his wealth and continued engaging in high-profile business ventures.

In the civil cases, Trump must post bonds to file an appeal. Newscasters mentioned specifically the Carroll sex case and the NY civil fraud cases for over-valuing his properties to obtain more favorable loans for his investments, 'the perfect loan' where the bank got its money back with interest and no one was hurt financially.

The appeal money requirements are/will be collected upfront before Trump can appeal. The money comes from his accounts, money from loans, and/or money he ironically gets contributed via one of his political pack funds that specifies a percentage of the amount collected can be used for those court cases instead of funding campaign actions. That fund, the news notes, is now a paltry amount after paying a considerable amount of his defense fees.

To appeal, Trump was/will be required to post the full amount awarded plus an extra percentage of that amount. For example, I believe the first $5m award to appeal Carroll's case, he paid the five million plus 10% to appeal. He paid that amount from his pocket instead of going to a bondsman to get a loan. [A bondsman charges him, guessing here, an upfront 20% for the loan.] That amount is in a NY State account pending his first appeal. When he slandered her the second time, against the court gag order, she sued and was awarded $83.3m. Trump borrowed that money from a bondsman to appeal. He lost the appeal. That cash is also sitting in the NY State account as he moves for another higher court appeal. [He has, up to this point, not slandered her again.]

If the appeal process ends with Trump losing, all the money in the NY State accounts will go to Ms. Carroll. Trump cannot default on that amount in a bankruptcy type of situation. That money is parked and held until awarded, or he wins a final appeal.

Trump's latest and highest damages awarded is to NY State - $355m. Like the other cases, he has to put up the full amount plus a percentage to appeal. Where are the resources for that money is a question on the minds of many who doubt he has the liquidity for that cash deposit. Per the court findings, he is now prohibited from borrowing money in New York for his businesses. The amount of cash required, in total , for upfront posting is nearly a half billion dollars.

What loan source would be willing to loan him the cash? According to his financials, sources say they are heavily leveraged [lots of loans against them], so they have little value as collateral. These are not the only cases pending against Trump that may have him in line donating blood at the local blood bank. He owes numerous attorneys for past performance, e.g., Rudy G.; who has his own slander battles.

What's that old saying - birds of a feather flock together?

Trump's handling of bankruptcies and unpaid debts has shaped public perception of his business acumen and ethics. While some admire his resilience and ability to rebound from financial setbacks, others criticize his reliance on bankruptcy laws to protect personal wealth at the expense of creditors. His MAGA political support and his ethics and demeanor are the best-fit solution for our Nation – built on freedom and justice for all. [Tongue-in-cheek irony here.]

I hope everyone will weigh Trump’s attributes and vote for the good of our Nation.

 

[dmallord]

Finally a reasonable and fair take on here! There is so much hate from the left that it borders on comical. And the right can’t get out of their own way. I’m a conservative woman and am beyond disappointed in the majority of Republicans these days.

Hopefully, you chances of selecting a 'best' choice option will become clearer as the November voting approaches. You could always, if your party's candidate is too loathsome, switch to another party for one election cycle as a 'least best choice.' It might save the country from a dictatorship leader. Just saying.