Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[HisArpy]

Yeah, that's what I've looked at. I'm kinda guessing that if one already has a 300WM, that one can comfortably live the rest of one's life not sweating a 300 PRC. Besides, if I get a magnum action, I want a big fucking magnum cartridge to fit it.

One could comfortably live the rest one's life with only a .270Win.

Many, but not all, cartridges in the same caliber are nothing more than someone saying "I done did that" or someone looking to alter performance numbers in one area for no real gain overall. Most of the magnums fit into this category.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

There is something in me that rebels against being sold new calibers... even if they can be proven to be marginally superior to existing ones. It makes me think of the way music dealers sold people the same material over and over again as the delivery formats changed.

The reason 12ga, 9mm, .45ACP, 5.56 NATO, 7.62 NATO and yes, 7.62x39 are so ubiquitous is that they have been proven to do the job. The US Army is supposed to be going to a new rifle and round, but I won't be going with them because I don't believe the new one will kill someone any deader than the current one.

I guess I will eventually upgrade when they invent a good, reliable, reasonably priced, Star Wars style laser gun. Until then, I'm goin' with what I got.

I added 10mm a couple of years ago, and I like it. I added 6.5CM this month and I'm still accumulating the balance of the accouterments. I don't think there's anything else on the horizon any time soon.

One could comfortably live the rest one's life with only a .270Win.

Many, but not all, cartridges in the same caliber are nothing more than someone saying "I done did that" or someone looking to alter performance numbers in one area for no real gain overall. Most of the magnums fit into this category.

I have seen the same said about the .30-'06. It's little brother could have the same said of it, too, with the possible exception of the very heavy projectiles.


I do think that I'd like a 10mm in a good 1911 platform.

 

[Bn2f]

Two men indicted for allegedly killing protected eagles and selling them on the black market​

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/14/us/montana-black-market-birds-indictment-trnd/index.html

 

[Lazaran]

Two men indicted for allegedly killing protected eagles and selling them on the black market​

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/14/us/montana-black-market-birds-indictment-trnd/index.html

You probably shouldn’t post this story in this thread.

The sick fuck who started this thread and their ammosexual ilk will likely derive some bizarre sexual satisfaction from the shooting of eagles.

The fact that they’re also traitors to America doesn’t help…

*nods*

 

[Rightguide]

One could comfortably live the rest one's life with only a .270Win.

Many, but not all, cartridges in the same caliber are nothing more than someone saying "I done did that" or someone looking to alter performance numbers in one area for no real gain overall. Most of the magnums fit into this category.

In the lower 48 it's hard to beat the performance of the .270 Win or the 7mm Rem Mag. If I had to choose one rifle for hunting any large game animal here or in Montana it would be the 7mm Rem mag with either the 160 grain or 175 grain bullets.

 

[Bray123]

https://preview.redd.it/kumxmjnugp391.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=4473f3ebb6614b5ba153ec64535d3f2f79e55298

MAGATs have as many triggers as they have guns. Have a happy winter festival.

(still from above; the guy self-identifies as a 'firearms instructor'.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

As we have determined, Wat don't trump, and he don't play bridge, either.


Pity that reading really isn't Fundamental after all . . . .

 

[Kioti3510]

You probably shouldn’t post this story in this thread.

The sick fuck who started this thread and their ammosexual ilk will likely derive some bizarre sexual satisfaction from the shooting of eagles.

The fact that they’re also traitors to America doesn’t help…

*nods*

Shooting Eagles is a Federal crime and I hope they pay dearly monetarily and that they rot in prison for this inexcusable crime.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Yeah, well, they just toss that drivel out there like clues are had and that all words are facts. Apparently, Mommy was too lenient in too many cases.


Been doing a bit of reading on 7mm Rem Mags vs. .300 Win Mags. I don't see much of a case to buy another rifle/cartridge to split these hairs.

 

[Chobham]

I went with the 300 for one reason, it's easier on barrels.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I went with the 300 for one reason, it's easier on barrels.

I going with it for a similar reason: I already have one.


If I ever get that chamber resized, then I'll have two.

 

[Chobham]

I've got a 280 AI sitting on the shelf. It's within 100fps of the 7Mag. without the barrel issues and brass is a lot easier to come by. At one time the 7mms were the goto because of the bullet selection, that's just not true anymore.

 

[Bn2f]

Yes, it’s getting worse: New data shows mass shootings are more frequent

https://ktvz.com/stacker-news/2023/...-data-shows-mass-shootings-are-more-frequent/

 

[Wat_Tyler]

And it all seems to be about trying to outdo the .30-'06.


In other news:


(Federal/CCI/Speer/Remington), and Ammo Inc have sent out letters about a 'substantial' price increase in January 2024. We also got a letter from Winchester yesterday that says out cost on 9mm is going up about $20 per 1000 starting Jan 1st 2024. We will have to pass that increase on when it happens, at least sooner or later. Until then, I will stockpile what 9mm and other good deals that I can buy at the lower price to try to keep ahead of this, but it will catch up to us in time and lead to an increased price. The point made by the factories seems to be that nitrocellulose used to make gunpowder will be short in supply in 2024, because supply normally used to make gunpowder for handgun and rifle ammo has been diverted in large quantities to make propellants and explosives for large caliber military artillery shells used in conflict zones around the world. We do not have hard numbers yet for what that price increase will be for most products, but estimate it will be 5% to 10% across the board, some items more or less. We also hear from the factory that it will most likely lead to shortages in large rifle calibers like 30-06, 6.5 Creedmoor, 300 Win Mag, 7mm Mag, PRC calibers, 338 Lapua, 50 BMG, etc, etc due to the large amount of powder needed to load those larger rounds and the factory using that powder to load more rounds of smaller calibers instead. Overall, I do not see this price increase unfolding very rapidly, there is probably 2 to 4 weeks, maybe 6, before the public really sees the change start to happen on pricing, and even longer on supply shortages for large calibers, but it will happen. We will know more once 2024 program pricing comes out later this month where pricing is going, but I expect 9mm Luger ammo to be effected more quickly due to naturally high demand and more dramatically due to how low the price got in 'special deals' made by the factory over the past year.

 

[Bn2f]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
So you’re telling me there’s a real chance that a dictating capitalist market could actually force gun owners into saying “pew pew pew.”

 

[Chobham]

And it all seems to be about trying to outdo the .30-'06.


In other news:


(Federal/CCI/Speer/Remington), and Ammo Inc have sent out letters about a 'substantial' price increase in January 2024. We also got a letter from Winchester yesterday that says out cost on 9mm is going up about $20 per 1000 starting Jan 1st 2024. We will have to pass that increase on when it happens, at least sooner or later. Until then, I will stockpile what 9mm and other good deals that I can buy at the lower price to try to keep ahead of this, but it will catch up to us in time and lead to an increased price. The point made by the factories seems to be that nitrocellulose used to make gunpowder will be short in supply in 2024, because supply normally used to make gunpowder for handgun and rifle ammo has been diverted in large quantities to make propellants and explosives for large caliber military artillery shells used in conflict zones around the world. We do not have hard numbers yet for what that price increase will be for most products, but estimate it will be 5% to 10% across the board, some items more or less. We also hear from the factory that it will most likely lead to shortages in large rifle calibers like 30-06, 6.5 Creedmoor, 300 Win Mag, 7mm Mag, PRC calibers, 338 Lapua, 50 BMG, etc, etc due to the large amount of powder needed to load those larger rounds and the factory using that powder to load more rounds of smaller calibers instead. Overall, I do not see this price increase unfolding very rapidly, there is probably 2 to 4 weeks, maybe 6, before the public really sees the change start to happen on pricing, and even longer on supply shortages for large calibers, but it will happen. We will know more once 2024 program pricing comes out later this month where pricing is going, but I expect 9mm Luger ammo to be effected more quickly due to naturally high demand and more dramatically due to how low the price got in 'special deals' made by the factory over the past year.

I read that a couple of days ago. I'm pretty well set for now with the exception of large pistol primers. I'll take care of that over the coming week.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I read that a couple of days ago. I'm pretty well set for now with the exception of large pistol primers. I'll take care of that over the coming week.

With the pile of brass I have and my expanded working area Out West, perchance I'll take another look at reloading.


Maybe . . . .

 

[Chobham]

You'd save money, especially on the more common stuff. It costs me approx. 31 cents each for .223 to reload and the best deal out there for decent ammo is 60 cents each. Similar savings for pistol.

Large rifle not so much. What you get there is precision and accuracy. Evey rifle is different and likes one load better than another. As little as a tenth of a grain difference in powder weight can make an entire MOA difference in group size. Same with seating depth.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I had a decent target load for my good .308, and this was a mess of years ago. I also discovered a really good factory match load that it liked a lot. I'm guessing that I'm back at square 1 for sussing that stuff out. Then again, that rifle didn't object to M80 ball, either.

 

[Chobham]

Most of the factory match loads will work quite well. These days it all comes down to price and availability. One of the local SWAT teams shot nothing but Federal Gold Medal in 308 (Speer Matchking bullets). They haven't been shooting that premium stuff since 2020, they can't get it either and they get to get inline in front of us commoners.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

This last batch of match 7.62 is Winchester.175 grain. Matchking bullets. I'm sure that between the rifle and the ammo that the weak link will be the shooter.


As usual . . . .

 

[Chobham]

The ammo difference starts creeping in at 200+ yards. You dial in the load from a bench rest. That'll tell you how well the rifle shoots. When you come off the bench rest that'll tell you how well you shoot.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Under 200 yards is what all of that NATO surplus ammo I bought for Y2K (yeah, right!!!) is for. Eighteen cents per round, no less.


I don't get to shoot much past 200 yards very often. Not often enough, actually.

 

[JohnnySavage]

National Guard Marksmanship Training Center Hosts Annual Sniper Marksmanship Competitions

 

[Bn2f]

National Guard Marksmanship Training Center Hosts Annual Sniper Marksmanship Competitions

Ahhhhh, yes!
The jerk off in a cotton sock competition for those flag draped knob knockers with a hard on to shoot at the NG in case of that, ya know, tyranny thing, but who are also too chicken shit to actually join the military because of disabling hang nails, aggravating that nagging bone spur, and a forever fear of no longer breathing the air of hard earned, sweet Ah’Murican freedoms the NG helps to insure.