AI Allegations Thread

[u1u1u1]

I may have a theory for some of these false AI flags. It may have already been talked about here, but there are too many posts in this thread to review to see if the subject has been brought up. The two stories I submitted that were sent back because of this situation, I used a different grammar/spell check program that also suggested better sentence structure.


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The issue isn't "the grammar programmes are too good", it's "the grammar programmes use AI". Your stories were partially AI generated.

 

[u1u1u1]

Anyway, this thread has been a lot of doom and gloom. After several attempts, Laurel has now very kindly accepted the third part of my trilogy, "Delete": https://literotica.com/s/delete-1

I can understand the despondency some of you have felt, but there is hope.

 

[NoTalentHack]

The issue isn't "the grammar programmes are too good", it's "the grammar programmes use AI". Your stories were partially AI generated.

By that definition, everything uses AI. Word uses AI. Google Docs uses AI. I’ve never had PWA rewrite a single thing for me except to test its capabilities. It it does highlight places where it thinks (and is often correct) that I’ve used incorrect grammar, punctuation, or spelling. It also highlights words it thinks aren’t punchy enough. I rarely take the latter advice, but I sometimes take the former.

So, does using something that’s little more than a glorified spellchecker count as “written by AI?” If so, I hope you don’t like… basically any major writer.

 

[u1u1u1]

By that definition, everything uses AI. Word uses AI. Google Docs uses AI. I’ve never had PWA rewrite a single thing for me except to test its capabilities. It it does highlight places where it thinks (and is often correct) that I’ve used incorrect grammar, punctuation, or spelling. It also highlights words it thinks aren’t punchy enough. I rarely take the latter advice, but I sometimes take the former.

So, does using something that’s little more than a glorified spellchecker count as “written by AI?” If so, I hope you don’t like… basically any major writer.

I don't, personally, give two hoots about AI. If anything I'm in favour of its use.

I don't think casual use of Grammarly or PWA for basic grammar checks breaks the site's policy.

When the programme starts suggesting different sentence structures, then there's generative AI at play, and Laurel views that as a problem.

 

[Devinter]

I may have a theory for some of these false AI flags. It may have already been talked about here, but there are too many posts in this thread to review to see if the subject has been brought up. The two stories I submitted that were sent back because of this situation, I used a different grammar/spell check program that also suggested better sentence structure.

This isn't allowed. It's considered assisted by AI, which Literotica is currently against.

It could be possible that the program mad the stories look TOO well written to be written by a human. Let's face it, even with the best writers here in Lit, you can find some grammar issue. But if they look too well written for any regular person, or even a grammar program, to write, it could make the AI detectors think it wasn't written by a human.

Has anyone else seen this as a possibility?

But even disregarding that, no; I got a story sent back that had some spelling errors, a few grammatical mistakes, overusing comma's (something I do a lot) and so on. If I had to hazard a guess, I think that newer accounts / people with fewer stories in total are being watched more carefully. And that foreigners have a greater chance of getting into trouble because some of their sentences likely sound a bit wonky to a native speaker, which might be similar to how some of these robots write. Maybe the solution is for me to stop trying so hard to improve, because it seems I am landing right in that "good but not great" zone and I can't see myself really do much better.

 

[DanDraper]

This isn't allowed. It's considered assisted by AI, which Literotica is currently against.

Are you sure about that? Because the message I got when I had those two stories sent back to me said that they don't mind the use of programs for grammar and things like that, they just don't want programs to write out entire stories. I'm sure there are a lot of professional writers out there use certain program for grammar to write their books or articles because being consistent with good grammar at that level can be very hard.


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[MediocreAuthor]

I may have a theory for some of these false AI flags. It may have already been talked about here, but there are too many posts in this thread to review to see if the subject has been brought up. The two stories I submitted that were sent back because of this situation, I used a different grammar/spell check program that also suggested better sentence structure. It could be possible that the program mad the stories look TOO well written to be written by a human. Let's face it, even with the best writers here in Lit, you can find some grammar issue. But if they look too well written for any regular person, or even a grammar program, to write, it could make the AI detectors think it wasn't written by a human.

Has anyone else seen this as a possibility?


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I think it's less a matter of "flawless grammar" and more a matter of "lack of stylistic choice."

Every author has a unique voice, which AI lacks entirely.

Like your speaking voice vs AI generated speech.
One has natural fluctuations... the other is monotone.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I think it's less a matter of "flawless grammar" and more a matter of "lack of stylistic choice."

Every author has a unique voice, which AI lacks entirely.

Like your speaking voice vs AI generated speech.
One has natural fluctuations... the other is monotone.

Part of that, though, is the default AI “voice,” which is intentionally bland. You can tell it to ape another writer, and it’ll take an able swing at it.

 

[djrip]

I may have a theory for some of these false AI flags. It may have already been talked about here, but there are too many posts in this thread to review to see if the subject has been brought up. The two stories I submitted that were sent back because of this situation, I used a different grammar/spell check program that also suggested better sentence structure. It could be possible that the program mad the stories look TOO well written to be written by a human. Let's face it, even with the best writers here in Lit, you can find some grammar issue. But if they look too well written for any regular person, or even a grammar program, to write, it could make the AI detectors think it wasn't written by a human.

Has anyone else seen this as a possibility?


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Grammar cannot be "too well written to be written by a human." At it's best, AI writes like a technically competent, fairly bland human. It is not possible to identify AI written words. It is possible to realize that something is written in a style similar to AI, but humans can write in a style similar to AI, so that does not really prove anything.

 

[DanDraper]

Grammar cannot be "too well written to be written by a human." At it's best, AI writes like a technically competent, fairly bland human. It is not possible to identify AI written words. It is possible to realize that something is written in a style similar to AI, but humans can write in a style similar to AI, so that does not really prove anything.

It was just a theory based on what happened to me. And I do see what you mean about how AI can write; when I was using that program to fix the grammar in those stories I mentioned there were times the program was just plain wrong about it's suggestions and I had to cancel those suggestions because it would've ruined the sentence or paragraph. These programs can't think how humans really talk, so it just goes by the technical way of how to do it.


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[StillStunned]

I've mentioned it before, but you really need to be careful with some of the suggestions. Several times, Word has wanted to change "cock" to "clock" in my stories.

I can just imagine the scene. "She watched wide-eyed as my clock as it swung back and forth. 'Does it keep accurate time?'"

I also want to make a joke about a grandfather clock, but I can't seem to make it work. But you know what I'm getting at.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I wouldn't go to a law frim with advertising like that. I'd go to Saul before I'd go them.

Local law firm commercial

You know, Saul, the lawyer who put the Criminal in Criminal lawyer.

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

Are you sure about that? Because the message I got when I had those two stories sent back to me said that they don't mind the use of programs for grammar and things like that, they just don't want programs to write out entire stories. I'm sure there are a lot of professional writers out there use certain program for grammar to write their books or articles because being consistent with good grammar at that level can be very hard.


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Taking any suggested change in sentence structure that many grammar checking software offers these days will land you into hot waters.
Of course that depends entirely on what you mean by 'suggested sentence structure'. For example, Grammarly can now (still in beta) recompose entire sentences based on preferences you've selected. Take this sentence for instance:

It is my preference that this sentence be written in the active voice.

Because of its penchant for active voice, Grammarly (if you're using the beta) might suggest you rewrite that as:

I prefer to write this sentence in the active voice.

If you hit accept on that suggestion, then you've probably just used "generative AI / machine learning" to compose your sentence. Clippy can't do that.

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

To be clear, the example sentence recomposition above wouldn't be detectable on its own, but if you apply that assistance to a large enough body of your work, it starts to look fishy.

 

[StillStunned]

I've been listening to some audiobooks about writing and editing fiction lately. While they have some incredibly useful tips about structure, plot and character, I think a lot of the line editing suggestions would make the prose sound very samey.

As a professional editor for more than two decades, with a remit of "turn this into proper, professional English", it makes me cringe when I hear them say to avoid all adverbs, to avoid the passive voice as much as possible, to cut as many adjectives as you can.

My worry is that anyone following these rules will quickly start to resemble AI. The trouble is that prose isn't a series of rules or best practices. It's about choosing the right words, in the right composition, to create an image in the reader's mind. Sometimes you need to be strong, sometimes you need to be subtle. You always need to find the rhythm of the words. That's what makes your text come to life.

 

[MillieDynamite]

To be clear, the example sentence recomposition above wouldn't be detectable on its own, but if you apply that assistance to a large enough body of your work, it starts to look fishy.

 

[Jackie.Hikaru]

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[DanDraper]

To be clear, the example sentence recomposition above wouldn't be detectable on its own, but if you apply that assistance to a large enough body of your work, it starts to look fishy.

it was only a few times throughout the entire story, so I guess I'm alright. But even then, when it gave a suggestion of how to rewrite it, I ignored it when it didn't make any sense for the purpose of the paragraph. I was just trying to come up with a theory of why the AI detectors go off when we clearly write a story.



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[DanDraper]

Also, I have to ask, who is actually using AI's to write entire stories? I know that was a concern in Hollywood which is why there was a strike, but still I can't imagine someone would use it to write short stories on websites such as Literotica. Does anybody know of any examples for Lit or anywhere else where people are actually using AI to wrote stories.



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[MillieDynamite]

Amazon and Smashwords have stories on them created by AI. There is no specific rule against it so long as no copyright is violated. However, they are concerned. Concerned enough that you are requested to reveal if you do use AI at Amazon. My understanding is my publisher tags that our covers were produced with AI and heavily edited by a human digital artist.

Also, I have to ask, who is actually using AI's to write entire stories? I know that was a concern in Hollywood which is why there was a strike, but still I can't imagine someone would use it to write short stories on websites such as Literotica. Does anybody know of any examples for Lit or anywhere else where people are actually using AI to wrote stories.



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[StillStunned]

A while ago someone had a series of posts - all identical - in various forums asking for someone to "make it more erotic but don't change the word count". It was clearly AI-generated.

Sadly there are always people who do this kind of stuff. It's the same as people posting other people's art or comics and at least pretending, of not actively claiming, that they made them. They get a thrill either from fooling people, or from the positive response, even if they've done nothing to deserve it.

 

[NightPorter]

Good God this thread.

I'm steering clear of AI for now, even for grammar. I suggest you all do so as well. AI is an emerging technology with virtually no legislation or legal precedent concerning it yet. Laurel is obviously heavily erring on the side of caution. Given the flurry of pending legal cases surrounding AI, she can hardly be blamed for doing so.

On a personal note: None of us are the main character. Strangers on the internet are not privy to our personal lives, our struggles in life or any other information that they aren't expressly given. They can only be judged based on their actions. Be humble and don't infer intent that isn't there. We're all just human.

 

[SyleusSnow]

Also, I have to ask, who is actually using AI's to write entire stories? I know that was a concern in Hollywood which is why there was a strike, but still I can't imagine someone would use it to write short stories on websites such as Literotica. Does anybody know of any examples for Lit or anywhere else where people are actually using AI to wrote stories.

Several commercially successful authors are embracing SudoWrite and other AI tools for plot generation, enhancement (lengthen, shorten, add sensory elements, etc) and even using AI to generate large amounts of content.

For example, check out Nerdy Novelist who has been going deep into the tools for his books: https://www.youtube.com/@TheNerdyNovelist

 

[lovecraft68]

I know this isn't really relevant to here, but AI in general

I hadn't listed anything in my e-bay store for a couple weeks, so I sat down today to list some things from a collection I picked up. I get a pop up "Let AI describe your item"

An hour later on You tube there's an ad with an actor-or maybe he's real- college kid saying "I used to have to spend hours studying and now..." its an AI tool where you dump material into it, and it pulls everything relevant to your topic for you.

The next generation will literally be unable to think or do anything for themselves.

And people call this progress.

My old man is a hardcore holy roller(after being a drunken abuser for years, praise Jesus!) and he's telling me that AI is what the bible means when it talks about man's knowledge increasing a hundred fold near the end of days and playing god.

Maybe I can get him an AI Bible application or something

 

[StillStunned]

The next generation will literally be unable to think or do anything for themselves.

Every generation has said that about the generation coming after them, but now it actually seems to have some merit.