AI Allegations Thread

[Bramblethorn]

You seem awfully familiar with the workings of ChatGPT, to claim that my 2021 stories are "stylistically evocative of gpt." I wouldn't know, as I've never used it. Are you sure you're not using it for your work? See how easy it is to make baseless accusations?

Dude. I understand you're extremely frustrated with the situation. I expect anybody would be if it happened to their stories. But you're taking insult from people who didn't intend it, over and over.

When somebody has a problem that's upsetting them, some folk will offer sympathy and some will try to solve the problem. In this case, "try to solve the problem" starts with "understand what's going on here", which means "figure out why your stories got pinged as AI-written", which means looking for things in your writing style, or in your history, that some person or some program could conceivably have taken for AI.

That is not an accusation of using AI. It's an attempt to help. I'm not sure whether you came here looking for tangible solutions or just to vent - either is legit - but you're lashing out at a bunch of helpful people who are not your enemy.

That is some of the worst shit I've ever read. And it definitely sounds like you used Chat GPT to write it.

How are you going from "I wouldn't know what GPT looks like" to "sounds like you used GPT to write this" in less than half an hour?

 

[alohadave]

I never stated that. Read better, dude.

My bad. It was @Portly_Penguin, not you.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

In a message she just sent to me, she said my 31 stories were pulled because someone reported them. This includes my story submission into the holiday contest. So people should be aware that their stories in the contest can be pulled immediately simply because someone reports it.

That makes the issue even stranger. Regardless of why they were reported, if it was just one person, that should've raised a flag against the mass reporter, knowing how trolls are on here.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I guess the suggestions from these tools go further than - “did you mean ‘you're’ when you wrote ‘your?’”

Spellcheck is one thin, suggesting different phraseology? Maybe better run it by a human.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

It is very strange. Something smells rotten. And my contest story was affected, so anyone participating in the contest can experience this as well. What if someone wants to knock the highest scoring participant out of the running? Do they simply have to report the story to get it pulled?

I have no idea about reporting - which has to have your name (or an alt’s) on it. But story leaders attract one bombs like flies. I’d like to think it’s not from jealous authors, but who knows?

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

It's awful quiet in here all of a sudden. Interesting...

Spoke too soon, hun.

Em

 

[Bramblethorn]

And also, I've been told a million times (hyperbole) in this thread that my work sounds like Chat GPT, including by the person who earlier insulted my work, saying if my stories are like my posts, they should get right by Lit's detectors. So I was being facetious. The point is, you're okay with this person insulting my writing, but when I comment on theirs, you're suddenly upset about it.

You're reading a great deal too much into things there. I don't believe I volunteered any kind of opinion on the "if your stories are like your posts" comment.

 

[Djmac1031]

So...late to this party.

What'd i miss...?

 

[MelissaBaby]

And I do sincerely hope, despite all the disagreements and different points of view expressed in this thread, that we can all agree it is NOT okay to pull stories, and especially ones entered in ongoing contests, from the site simply because readers reported them.

The word “simply” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this sentence. You appear to be assuming that Laurel pulled your stories when they were reported and did not actually examine them and find that, in her opinion, the reader complaints had merit. You, nor any of us, know whether she did or not.

 

[EmilyMiller]

And I do sincerely hope, despite all the disagreements and different points of view expressed in this thread, that we can all agree it is NOT okay to pull stories, and especially ones entered in ongoing contests, from the site simply because readers reported them.

It depends what they reported them for.

It’s not like the stories were deleted, just unpublished.

If - for example, not saying this is the case - the reports were that you had minors involved in sex, then a risk averse approach would be to unpublish them and then investigate.

Maybe someone reported you for AI use. I don’t have time to trail through all the tsunami of text here. But did Laurel say what the stories were reported for? What was the complaint made? And you have said that it was readers, plural, is that right?

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

And Lit reserves the right to publish or not. We don’t have any rights as authors in this area. We don’t pay to have our work published.

Em

 

[SamBomb]

Another update because I like to make these xD

The two parts that were taken down yesterday were reinstated and the third rejected with a note telling me to make some small adjustments to the language used - nothing major by the looks of it.

I also heard back from Laurel. This was the main bulk of her message:

I rechecked your work and do still see parts that appear to be "reworded" by generative AI. Please be aware that Pro-Writing Aid does use generative AI. Generative AI does NOT "create" a story - it mashes together words from a library of (stolen) works, and the result is bland and toneless. If everyone on Lit chose to use generative AI, every single story on the site would sound exactly the same. Readers hate generative AI text, and they (and us as well) would rather you submitted grammatically wonky work in your own voice than submit generative AI.

We believe that writing is thinking. When you're putting your thoughts to paper (or a .doc file ) - be it a grocery list or a novel - you're organizing and sharpening your thoughts. Every single person who can read can craft a story of some kind. Some of my favorite writers (on Lit or elsewhere) would be flagged by Grammarly. Grammar software is NOT a calculator. While math is fairly objective, grammar is not. Relying on a grammar corrector will not make you a better writer.

It is entirely possible I clicked one these corrections by mistake which may explain why it's been flagged, but this provides a small insight into what's happening.

This makes a lot of sense and makes sense why my story was rejected, as I went a little lazy with Grammarly.

 

[StillStunned]

And Lit reserves the right to publish or not. We don’t have any rights as authors in this area. We don’t pay to have our work published.

Em

I was going to say something along similar lines.

Laurel allows us to run around in her playground - a playground that she's built just for us. A playground where writers can publish their stories and find readers, interact with them and hone their craft. A playground where readers can find stories that suit their tastes and interact with writers. A playground where we can all goof off and pretend to be clever, or sexy, or intellectual, or whatever we like to think we are. And it's all for free.

But it's still Laurel's playground.

 

[Red_Herring4]

Your stories were pulled. You've contacted the site admin for answers. She's responded. You asked additional questions and are waiting for her response. That's where this stands. You're in direct contact with the person who can provide answers and take action to restore your stories. I understand you are frustrated, but I'd suggest you let the process run its course.

And I do sincerely hope, despite all the disagreements and different points of view expressed in this thread, that we can all agree it is NOT okay to pull stories, and especially ones entered in ongoing contests, from the site simply because readers reported them.

I disagree. If a story is reported for objectionable content, I can absolutely understand why the site admin might pull it immediately. It presents a risk to her business. The safest course might be to remove the stories until it can be determined whether the report(s) have merit. If the report(s) are deemed without merit, I expect your stories to be restored relatively quickly. Once vetted, I would also expect that any future attempts by a troll to report those stories for content to be dismissed.

Of course, this is all speculation. None of us here can provide any answers. But you are in contact with the person who can.

 

[StillStunned]

We are providing content, for free, that generates revenue for the site.

Does it? Because I've never paid for a single story I've read here in the 20 or so years I've been visiting. I assume that the revenue to cover the hosting costs comes from the cams and the shop, not from anything you and I write.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Keep up with the gaslighting. You can read what she wrote. If she had found the reporting to be of merit, I would hope she would include that information.

Your first reaction (and often only reaction) is to be unpleasant to people. People like @Bramblethorn and @Voboy and @alohadave and @MelissaBaby who are nice and friendly people. Are you not seeing a pattern here?

I’m done with trying to help. Sort out your own problems.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

I shared her correspondence here. Yeah, but contest participants should expect to be treated fairly. With the information I have, that my story was pulled because it was reported by "readers," that is not at all fair. If there is further explanation, and I asked for it in our message, it hasn't yet been provided.

Entitled much?

You said you entered for fun.

This is becoming awfully bridge-dweller like.

Bye.

Em

 

[StillStunned]

Of course I don't know the answer, but a quick Google search (again, take it with a grain of salt) reports revenue for the site at $6,000,000.

And none of it from the stories that we write.

Also, if that's really the figure, I'd expect there to be an army of Laurels running this place. That kind of money creates a greater appreciation (or at least a greater sense of value) of what's generating the cash flow.

 

[DDX84]

And I do sincerely hope, despite all the disagreements and different points of view expressed in this thread, that we can all agree it is NOT okay to pull stories, and especially ones entered in ongoing contests, from the site simply because readers reported them.

Ok.

You currently have five pieces of work listed as active on the website. As for what was deleted, I was able to find a copy of Coveted Fruit, a successful story of yours originally published on 05/07/23.

I ran a check on that story and a large section of it scored 63.2% as being likely to have been generated by AI.



Please note that no current AI detecting tool can say with 100% certainty that text was generated by AI. False positives do occur, but the chances drop when testing longer pieces of work, such as erotic fiction.

In your case, interestingly, an entire sex scene was flagged as being generated by AI (content in red is the flagged material).



My conclusion is that you authored the story yourself, but, on the balance of probabilities, you relied upon a contemporary AI generator to compose your sex scene.

Many writers on Literotica, content creators on YouTube and others are relying on these tactics. Seeing as you only had 5 published stories by 05/22/23, and had supposedly authored 30+ pieces of work since then, that would also lend credence to the theory that you've used AI to create stories on an industrial scale.

The owners and administrators of Literotica are duty-bound to ensure that submissions meet the content guidelines. In a world where we can't have 100% certainty on AI generation, the balance of probabilities becomes the crucial evidential threshold. When the scanners have taken issue with specific sections of your writing, such as the sex scene(s) alone, I'm satisfied that Literotica has acted appropriately in pulling the stories that their scanners were concerned with.

You have a case to answer.

Others can take whatever view they wish, but this is very similar to the 8letters plagiarism case. It doesn't matter what the author's intentions were, or how little of the manuscript was affected, it's cheating. Whether you steal from another author, or rely on AI to make your sex scenes better, there should be a zero tolerance approach adopted.

My story wasn't leading the contest; I just entered it for shits and giggles.

I see. Tell me more about those shits and giggles...

But messing with my contest story is serious business, and I want answers.

It's amazing how quickly those shits and giggles turned into serious business.

 

[Red_Herring4]

It's a big coincidence that the stories were pulled right at that time, when I'd just started a thread here about writers being affected by erroneous allegations of AI use.

So you don't think a writer who has several dozen works here, and then gets rejected for AI use, comes here and sees that 31 of my stories got pulled as I was discussing it, and another writer's got pulled as they were discussing it at the same time, is going to be hesitant to speak up about their AI use accusation? Fine. I definitely see it differently.

You've implied several times that your stories might have been pulled by the site admin as punishment for your voicing your frustration about AI rejections. That's a baseless accusation.

I have no idea what they were reported for,

Correct. You know your stories were reported by readers. You don't yet know why readers reported them, but you've asked for clarification. Until you receive it, we're all just speculating.

 

[SimonDoom]

Okay, I'm no longer concerned about your opinions or that of others. The far more important issue here is that someone reported my story in the current contest, and the site subsequently pulled it. That's per LAUREL.

I don't think you can assume, absent clarification from Laurel, that she automatically pulled all your stories JUST because they were reported. I assume someone reported that they thought the stories read like AI-generated stories, and she looked into it at least a little bit, and made the decision that the complaint was well founded. But we're speculating until we get an answer from her. Be patient and make polite inquiries. I have found that Laurel almost always responds courteously and promptly when she is asked a legitimate question in a courteous way.

 

[alohadave]

Ok.

I think your conclusions are more than a little off-base. You acknowledge that AI detectors are unreliable and then you use an AI detector to determine that sections of text are definitively written by AI.

You then also conclude that the speed which they posted is indicative of someone using AI, which is also specious, as some people do write that fast.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

Many writers on Literotica, content creators on YouTube and others are relying on these tactics. Seeing as you only had 5 published stories by 05/22/23, and had supposedly authored 30+ pieces of work since then, that would also lend credence to the theory that you've used AI to create stories on an industrial scale.

I disagree with the statement that posting many stories is, in any way, corroborating a case for OP using AI.

Look at @NoTalentHack. If I didn't miscount, the dude posted thirty-six stories in the past eleven months, and all of those were longer than OP's stories. The guy is basically the literary equivalent of a twelve-year-old Chinese boy in an iPhone factory. I don't think anyone would ever even dream about accusing him of using generative AI to speed up his writing.

 

[ronde]

I don't think you can assume, absent clarification from Laurel, that she automatically pulled all your stories JUST because they were reported. I assume someone reported that they thought the stories read like AI-generated stories, and she looked into it at least a little bit, and made the decision that the complaint was well founded. But we're speculating until we get an answer from her. Be patient and make polite inquiries. I have found that Laurel almost always responds courteously and promptly when she is asked a legitimate question in a courteous way.

That has been my experience as well and I have experienced her reply to a question about another author copying one of my stories from another site. I sent Laurel a PM explaining that a reader had told me he read the same story by a different author. I checked on that author and found two that were slightly changed in location and a couple other details to fit the country from which he was writing but were otherwise verbatim copies. I also sent her the information about the other site and the date they were published which predated the stories by the other author. I gave her two examples of how the wording was only slightly changed. I also told her I wasn't as concerned that he'd done it as I was that at some point in the future the same accusation would be leveled at me. She did check out both stories and deleted them from that author's account. She also said that since I was an established author, any accusation against me would be dealt with by email rather than a PM. I don't know if she contacted the other author via an email, but it really wasn't my business to ask.

I don't think you can ask for better than that considering how much work Laurel has to do to keep Literotica running. I know how much work that can be because I was an admin on the other site for almost two years. By the time you sort through a lot of stuff that doesn't meet the site guidelines and more that is nearly impossible to read because it's all one long paragraph or doesn't have any punctuation or both, and then send a rejection notice, you've burned up a few hours and you still have to publish the stories that are well written and follow the site guidelines. Laurel is doing that same thing except instead of maybe ten or twenty stories a day, she's looking at hundreds.

 

[ronde]

I disagree with the statement that posting many stories is, in any way, corroborating a case for OP using AI.

Look at @NoTalentHack. If I didn't miscount, the dude posted thirty-six stories in the past eleven months, and all of those were longer than OP's stories. The guy is basically the literary equivalent of a twelve-year-old Chinese boy in an iPhone factory. I don't think anyone would ever even dream about accusing him of using generative AI to speed up his writing.

I would agree because I'm in somewhat the same situation though I'm not Chinese and I type on a desktop instead of an iPhone. I was absent from Literotica for several years, but I didn't stop writing so I have a significant backlog to post. I'm posting 2-3 stories a week and each and every one is a figment of my own imagination.