Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Chobham]

Hey Joe. Gm.
Maybe you can answer this. Is it a lie to say the rights and privileges we cherish today were built off the land and labor native Americans and black slaves?

Yeah, that would pretty much be a lie. Slavery, which only lasted 70 years of this nations 250 year history, was dark enough as it was without inflating it beyond the reality. And the American Indian was never enslaved for the purposes of labor.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Saturday is the start of rifle season for Deer. The 40 year old Marlin 30-30 has new glass on top for the season. Because I'm old. I also got a new heater for the blind. Because I'm old.

I missed muzzleloader season this year.

 

[Bn2f]

Yeah, that would pretty much be a lie. Slavery, which only lasted 70 years of this nations 250 year history, was dark enough as it was without inflating it beyond the reality. And the American Indian was never enslaved for the purposes of labor.

I didn’t ask you, a racist, to give the lying response of a racist.

 

[Bn2f]

Joe? You there? You gonna let this doof whitesplain Native American history?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

This false equivalency has been exposed as such so many times it's not funny.

Come back when you can formulate an actual argument that shows why members of the general public should have access to weapons that are designed to other people in the fast way possible.

I'll gloss over your poor editing and grammar.

I just read your bio and you seem to have an anger issue. I don't think you make or keep very many friends. Where I live everyone has a gun rack with guns in their pickups. It's called hunting and yes, consuming the meat of the hunt. It's called protecting our livestock from predators and yes even protecting our homes and families as some of us have had to do.

So, you can't back up your false equivalency and turn to the usual goalpost moves of deflection and insults. While you maybe "new" here, nothing you have posted about firearms is.

 

[coati]

Where I live everyone has a gun rack with guns in their pickups. It's called hunting and yes, consuming the meat of the hunt. It's called protecting our livestock from predators and yes even protecting our homes and families as some of us have had to do.

Yeah, well I live in that same zone, and many of us get sick and tired of armed and boorish ranchers running their damned cattle over everyone else's land and killing off all the natural predators so the land gets overgrazed and eroded.

Fuck off with your gun racks and sense of entitlement. Government subsidized welfare ranchers are a scourge on the rural landscape.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Slavery, which only lasted 70 years

https://media.tenor.com/S35S_tgautoAAAAd/pmatte-bullshit.gif

 

[HisArpy]

Yeah, well I live in that same zone, and many of us get sick and tired of armed and boorish ranchers running their damned cattle over everyone else's land and killing off all the natural predators so the land gets overgrazed and eroded.

Fuck off with your gun racks and sense of entitlement. Government subsidized welfare ranchers are a scourge on the rural landscape.

So now you're against cow owners?

We need cow control!!!

 

[coati]

So now you're against cow owners?

We need cow control!!!

You have no clue, city boy. Stick to chasing ambulances or seeking disability benefits for suburban clients. That way you can keep adding to your gun collection and swapping stories with other gun-nuts.

Many so-called rugged individualist modern cowboys who allegedly revere private property rights are running their cattle on the private property of others, destroying wetlands, and bad-mouthing the federal government, all while sucking on the teat of federal USDA programs to get free irrigation systems, price supports, and other perks.

 

[HisArpy]

You have no clue, city boy. Stick to chasing ambulances or seeking disability benefits for suburban clients. That way you can keep adding to your gun collection and swapping stories with other gun-nuts.

Many so-called rugged individualist modern cowboys who allegedly revere private property rights are running their cattle on the private property of others, destroying wetlands, and bad-mouthing the federal government, all while sucking on the teat of federal USDA programs to get free irrigation systems, price supports, and other perks.

Lol, the stupid lives strong in you.

Guns play an important role in helping us (mankind) maintain a balance in the ecosystem. By selective depredation and harvesting, all species have a better quality of life because the ecosystem resources aren't overused.

Keystone species theory as explained by tidepools

The government controls grazing on public lands and limits the number of animals by private ranchers. If the numbers are too high, that's something you need to take up with the government rather than blaming us "city boys" for it.

So, if you have someone else's cows in your petunias, you need to be talking to your local and national representatives rather than having yet another meltdown here about it.


BTW, I hope you enjoy your Thanksgiving dinner this year. You know, the one provided to you by those "individualist cowboys... who suck on the teat of federal USDA programs" whom you rail against.

 

[LLCox]

THE problem is that statistics can be used to support almost anything.

That is true but for every statistic there is a fact. It's the alternate facts that are the problem.

 

[LLCox]

Hey Joe. Gm.
Maybe you can answer this. Is it a lie to say the rights and privileges we cherish today were built off the land and labor native Americans and black slaves?

Hey Dude, how's it going. I'd say the, "economy" that was built from usurping the land from the Indians and partially from the labor of slavery (for a while) made this country America. The rights and privileges were decided by some pretty smart men at the beginning. Every country has it's skeletons. Even the Germans have moved on.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726983781415039143

this should give you gun guys some good boners, don't say I didn't give ya nuthin'.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1726983781415039143

this should give you gun guys some good boners, don't say I didn't give ya nuthin'.

lol she can barely hit a stationary target from 25', wtf would she do against one moving and shooting back???

 

[Bn2f]

Hey Dude, how's it going. I'd say the, "economy" that was built from usurping the land from the Indians and partially from the labor of slavery (for a while) made this country America. The rights and privileges were decided by some pretty smart men at the beginning. Every country has it's skeletons. Even the Germans have moved on.

For context, this began between TH and I in post 2272.

I had the typo of not placing ‘of’ between labor and native, but I believe that it’s still understood that my position was land OF natives and then labor OF blacks. Blacks had no land and First Nations weren’t systematically enslaved as were Africans. Both suffered. I’ve no issue with this post except that there’s never been a reckoning in America on slavery as Germany had with the Holocaust. We could quibble on the differences between the word economy and privileges but, imo, America is a capitalist nation and my position, from my original post 2272, is that our forefathers built this great economic empire aided immensely off the stolen land of natives that then was worked on for free by Africans. They then wrote a marvelous constitution enshrining the rights to freedom of man, while hypocritically, subjugating the majority (women included) that made up colonial America. The gun, for full circle, was the powerfully controlling tool that tipped the many times overwhelming population of Natives and blacks to that of white settlers and slave owners.

 

[Bn2f]

There.
That’s my stated version of American history.
I’m still waiting on Chobs and Trailer to educate me otherwise.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

There.
That’s my stated version of American history.
I’m still waiting on Chobs and Trailer to educate me otherwise.

Don't hold your breath...

 

[Chobham]

For context, this began between TH and I in post 2272.

I had the typo of not placing ‘of’ between labor and native, but I believe that it’s still understood that my position was land OF natives and then labor OF blacks. Blacks had no land and First Nations weren’t systematically enslaved as were Africans. Both suffered. I’ve no issue with this post except that there’s never been a reckoning in America on slavery as Germany had with the Holocaust. We could quibble on the differences between the word economy and privileges but, imo, America is a capitalist nation and my position, from my original post 2272, is that our forefathers built this great economic empire aided immensely off the stolen land of natives that then was worked on for free by Africans. They then wrote a marvelous constitution enshrining the rights to freedom of man, while hypocritically, subjugating the majority (women included) that made up colonial America. The gun, for full circle, was the powerfully controlling tool that tipped the many times overwhelming population of Natives and blacks to that of white settlers and slave owners.

Finally got guns into the mix huh?

The Indians always had guns. The French gave the Indians guns to fight the British and the Spanish, and later the British gave the Indians guns to fight the US. The Indians lost because except for a few rare occasions they lacked organization and discipline. The history of the Indian interactions with the Europeans is quite complicated with more than enough blame to go around on all sides of the issue.

As far as the Blacks go virtually ALL of the early 'gun control' laws were designed to specifically keep firearms out the the blacks and other minorities in general. Those laws allowed the governments at all levels to work their will on those populations. And now we see a bunch of numb-nuts that want to disarm the entire population. Why? So the governments can work their will on the entire population. Make no mistake, the governments purpose isn't to keep you safe, it's to keep themselves safe from you.

 

[Bn2f]

Finally got guns into the mix huh?

The Indians always had guns. The French gave the Indians guns to fight the British and the Spanish, and later the British gave the Indians guns to fight the US. The Indians lost because except for a few rare occasions they lacked organization and discipline. The history of the Indian interactions with the Europeans is quite complicated with more than enough blame to go around on all sides of the issue.

As far as the Blacks go virtually ALL of the early 'gun control' laws were designed to specifically keep firearms out the the blacks and other minorities in general. Those laws allowed the governments at all levels to work their will on those populations. And now we see a bunch of numb-nuts that want to disarm the entire population. Why? So the governments can work their will on the entire population. Make no mistake, the governments purpose isn't to keep you safe, it's to keep themselves safe from you.

A simplistic mess of contradicting thoughts trying hard to pass itself as intelligent. It took you over 3 days to come up with a reply and you still embarrassed yourself while managing to stay true to your racism and bigotry.
For that, I say, well done.
Return yourself to the back of the class, put back on your Dunce cap, and wait to see what victim mentality response TrailerHitch can manage to say on his turn.

 

[TrailerHitch]

There.
That’s my stated version of American history.
I’m still waiting on Chobs and Trailer to educate me otherwise.

I have no dog in your current fight with chobham. Further, I won't even pretend to care about your current battle. So please do me the courtesy of leaving me out of your current silliness.

 

[coati]

Return yourself to the back of the class, put back on your Dunce cap, and wait to see what victim mentality response TrailerHitch can manage to say on his turn.

I tell ya, it ain't easy. Ya buy'em books and buy 'em books, and all they want to do is pee on 'em.

Well, at least he turned in his homework.

 

[Bn2f]

I have no dog in your current fight with chobham. Further, I won't even pretend to care about your current battle. So please do me the courtesy of leaving me out of your current silliness.

My dearest Hitch. Never let it be said that I am not a charitable person. Despite me previously noting that this started with a back and forth between you and I, you are excused from this. I love you and look forward to our next discussion on whatever fallacious stance you plan on defending in the future.

 

[CuttingEdge]

Being an American Indian, I kind of disagree.

While the musket certainly played a role in our former way of life (we were not defeated, we are still here, still contributing to society, just in a different, morphed way), I believe the axe was a much more prominent reason for the shift. It felled forests, and caused the shift from hunter-gathering to agriculturally based life. From building ships, houses, farmsteads and industry, it changed EVERYTHING, and the musket was only used as a means to allow the use of the axe to be used. I am not alone on this assessment as Robert Pike, in his 1965 book on New England Forests states this very thing, and I agree fully with him upon reflection of it.

What really felled my forefathers was disease. Giving us blankets teeming with Smallpox did not help, but everything from alcoholism to scarlet fever knocked us down. Not that it really matters, change was inevitable, and I am not seduced into thinking I would be better off today wearing deer skin and living in longhouses. No thanks...

But while the musket had its role, but I think the swing of the axe is what tamed the North American continent the most. And to some degree, disease

 

[Chobham]

A simplistic mess of contradicting thoughts trying hard to pass itself as intelligent. It took you over 3 days to come up with a reply and you still embarrassed yourself while managing to stay true to your racism and bigotry.
For that, I say, well done.
Return yourself to the back of the class, put back on your Dunce cap, and wait to see what victim mentality response TrailerHitch can manage to say on his turn.

I replied to the relevant post within hours.

Obviously you've never read any serious academic history on any of the subjects you are running your mouth about.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I see that you lot have had your . . . well, whatever. Firearms have triggers.


In other news:


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Federal court overturns Maryland law requiring handgun qualification licenses​

The damned things continue to be legal, too . . . .


My December bit, bought on a sweet Black Friday sale, could be in today.