And we have liftoff

[jaF0]

What'd you link to that got starred out?

 

[Dunes_et_Soleil]

NASA and the IG revealed today that the SLS program is not affordable. We told them the same thing almost 10 years ago, but the people in charge refused to listen, as usual.

And after spending, from memory, 23 billion dollars on parts they already had. You can only imagine what this kind of spending could have achieved if it had been spent on e.g. fusion research or reshoring manufacturing.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

And after spending, from memory, 23 billion dollars on parts they already had. You can only imagine what this kind of spending could have achieved if it had been spent on e.g. fusion research or reshoring manufacturing.

Sending humans into space is a pointless stunt. Spend that money on more and better unmanned probes.

 

[RoryN]

What'd you link to that got starred out?

S p a c e.com

 

[LLCox]

I'll go with Elon. At least what he is doing is not a Black OP. Humans are in the Wright Bros. phase of space trvel.

 

[RoryN]

Elon is now under investigation by the Department of Justice...which, to earlier points made here, will likely have little to no bearing on SpaceX's Starship:

https://www.wsj.com/tech/justice-de...musk-perks-at-tesla-going-back-years-3493e321

(I'm fine with him being investigated FWIW.)

 

[Dribble]

More examples of shortcuts. One must understand this is not a peer reviewed article and is technically hearsay...but there was what appears to be official documentation provided. Still...concerning enough that one overseeing their human trials should look deeper. But they won't

https://futurism.com/neoscope/terrible-things-monkeys-neuralink-implants

I do not understand how anyone can view Musk for anything but what he is...a grifter? But so many do. Just like many view Trump a savior.

 

[Dribble]

https://gizmodo.com/nasa-mars-sample-return-budget-scheduling-unrealistic-1850865173

We can't pay our bills. We can't feed our kids. But let's keep investing money into a program with "zero chance" of success in the timeframe allowed. And for what? Rocks. Man humans have rocks in their head.

 

[RoryN]

Sorry, Starship haters: 2nd flight went much better.

 

[Lazaran]

Sorry, Starship haters: 2nd flight went much better.

Not really one of the "Starship haters", but I do believe the "commercialization of space" (especially the proposed colonization of the moon and Mars) for tourism is currently a case of our reach exceeding our grasp. - The recent “Titan” disaster is a cautionary tale of the perils of an extreme adventure tourism endeavor that wasn’t ready for prime time.

"Playing" at normal altitudes above ground, in the atmosphere, or at shallow depths is fairly reasonable.

"Playing" in the unforgiving environments of space, the deep ocean, extreme elevations, or deep underground is folly imho.

*nods*

 

[jaF0]

^^ I have no problem with the ultra rich exterminating themselves.

 

[HisArpy]

Sending humans into space is a pointless stunt. Spend that money on more and better unmanned probes.

I just love people who are so short sighted like this.

Eventually, this ball of dirt is going to become uninhabitable. Either the sun will go nova and engulf it, an asteroid will slam into it, or galactic space pirates from another species will launch a planet buster missile at it, or something.

At that point, if this is the only place humans reside, we're ancient history.

To combat that potential, we need to get off this giant spinning marble and establish ourselves elsewhere.

If the only things we send into space are robots and drones, that never happens. If the only tech we invest in is about sending robots and drones into space, we don't have any ability to send people out there if we need to evac the planet.

Which means that despite all of our exploring, we go nowhere in reality.

Which sort of fits with the VR reality of those who espouse the idea of only sending robots and drones into space.

 

[Dribble]

Sorry, Starship haters: 2nd flight went much better.

Really? Tell me what they learned. Tell me how Federal money in this project benefits Americans. You couldn't answer either after the first...surely you can now.

This is not about anything but ego. And a boom is a boom no matter how you look at it.

Tax payer dollars need to be better spent. It is that simple. I could care less if a stupid man was using only his money.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I just love people who are so short sighted like this.

Eventually, this ball of dirt is going to become uninhabitable. Either the sun will go nova and engulf it, an asteroid will slam into it, or galactic space pirates from another species will launch a planet buster missile at it, or something.

At that point, if this is the only place humans reside, we're ancient history.

To combat that potential, we need to get off this giant spinning marble and establish ourselves elsewhere.

If the only things we send into space are robots and drones, that never happens. If the only tech we invest in is about sending robots and drones into space, we don't have any ability to send people out there if we need to evac the planet.

Which means that despite all of our exploring, we go nowhere in reality.

Which sort of fits with the VR reality of those who espouse the idea of only sending robots and drones into space.

There is no other inhabitable planet in our solar system. The laws of physics prohibit human travel to other stars. Evacuating earth is a common theme in science fiction, but it’s impossible.

 

[HisArpy]

There is no other inhabitable planet in our solar system. The laws of physics prohibit human travel to other stars. Evacuating earth is a common theme in science fiction, but it’s impossible.

Well, it is unless we find a way to do it. Which requires that we investigate how by sending people into space and seeing what the results are.

I also like how you say it's impossible because it means that either you're a quitter or you're stupid. By your own words.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Building a self-sufficient base in Antarctica would teach us much more about long-term human survival in space than launching more rockets with people in them.

We need to be hard-nosed about the practical problems that have to be solved to colonize space, not give in to the romantic fantasy.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Eventually, this ball of dirt is going to become uninhabitable.

Your correct, in 4.5 Billion years or so, our sun will expand into a Red Giant for a brief while before collapsing to a White Dwarf, which will eventually fade away.

Either the sun will go nova and engulf it, an asteroid will slam into it, or galactic space pirates from another species will launch a planet buster missile at it, or something.

You're missing the biggest threat to our existence right now, which is MMCC. Oh wait, you addressed is "or something", my apology.

 

[Lazaran]

Building a self-sufficient base in Antarctica would teach us much more about long-term human survival in space than launching more rockets with people in them.

We need to be hard-nosed about the practical problems that have to be solved to colonize space, not give in to the romantic fantasy.

Sans a miniaturized fusion reactor, and something akin to "warp drive" paired with some yet to be imagined navigation system, human colonization of space is a bong dream. - If humans could be trusted enough to lean into AI without abusing it for nefarious purposes, the aforementioned technology might someday be a reality.

I don’t trust humans to not abuse AI to our ultimate detriment.

*nods*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

, human colonization of space is a bong dream. -

Unless we can figure out how to distort spacetime, much like gravity does.

 

[Lazaran]

Unless we can figure out how to distort spacetime, much like gravity does.

Gonna have to exploit some chink in the laws of physics, regardless.

To make it practical / practicable is everything.

*nods*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Gonna have to exploit some chink in the laws of physics, regardless.

To make it practical / practicable is everything.

*nods*

Distorting spacetime is possible, if we could figure out how to artificially create a force that acts like mass does. Gravity Lensing is a thing, Wormholes are theoretically possible, both distort spacetime, so that tends one to think it we might be able to figure it out.That is the only way we will ever travel to the "stars". (warp drive is kind of a device to do exactly that, bend spacetime).

 

[RoryN]

Really? Tell me what they learned. Tell me how Federal money in this project benefits Americans. You couldn't answer either after the first...surely you can now.

Yes, I did answer it. But I'll do so again:

*The first big Federal money going towards the Starship program is for the armed forces. Starship is designed to be able to get troops and military deployments supplies in hours, as opposed to days.
*See below for example 2:

Tax payer dollars need to be better spent. It is that simple.

Good - then here's example 2: would you rather pay $50 in taxes to support the space program, or $2? If it's the latter, then Starship will be the answer.

"We shouldn't pay any" is not an acceptable answer, as taxpayers are forced to do so. Therefore, which would you prefer?

And a boom is a boom no matter how you look at it.

...which means you don't understand their testing method. And that's fine - except you're professing to be a subject-matter expert in your responses.

 

[Bray123]

If Hollywood producers can show a craft defying the laws of physics, why can't the scientists do it in real life? It just proves that scientists are dumb!

 

[jaF0]

How many millions of tons of crap and fuel does it take to get four people into space and some numbskulls think we can move billions of people?

 

[stxjimmy]

I just love people who are so short sighted like this.

Eventually, this ball of dirt is going to become uninhabitable. Either the sun will go nova and engulf it, an asteroid will slam into it, or galactic space pirates from another species will launch a planet buster missile at it, or something.

At that point, if this is the only place humans reside, we're ancient history.

To combat that potential, we need to get off this giant spinning marble and establish ourselves elsewhere.

If the only things we send into space are robots and drones, that never happens. If the only tech we invest in is about sending robots and drones into space, we don't have any ability to send people out there if we need to evac the planet.

Which means that despite all of our exploring, we go nowhere in reality.

Which sort of fits with the VR reality of those who espouse the idea of only sending robots and drones into space.

It would be so much easier to look after this planet and not have to evacuate.