Americans Favor Complete Eradication Of Hamas

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Americans back ‘complete eradication’ of Hamas, 3 to 1​

Americans have a message for Israel’s plan to eradicate Hamas: Just do it.
by Paul Bedard, Washington Secrets Columnist
October 13, 2023 10:23 AM

Despite vocal pockets of opposition in liberal universities and the media, voters back Israel’s side in the war with Hamas in the Gaza Strip and blame Palestinians for the horrific crisis by about 5 to 1.

Rasmussen Reports tested the views of American voters on the conflict and found wide support for the Jewish state in its reaction to last weekend’s surprise assault by the terrorist group inside Israel.

In its latest survey shared with Secrets on Friday, voters backed Tel Aviv’s call for the “complete eradication of Hamas in Gaza” by a 3 to 1 margin, 66% to 19%. That included majorities of every group tested by Rasmussen.

By an even larger margin, likely voters tested by Rasmussen blamed the Palestinians for the war, 53% to 10%. Another 24% blame both sides. And that included all groups in the survey blaming the Palestinians.

More here: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ans-back-complete-eradication-of-hamas-3-to-1

The fact is Hamas does not respect the laws of war and as a terrorists force should not benefit from them either. We have to remember the people of Gaza voted for Hamas. Every member of Hamas and their supporters need to be killed and probably will be. The Gaza strip will become the biggest graveyard in Israel.

And israel does. Israel helped create Hamas!! It’s a long planned war. I stand with the innocent victims of all these madmen on both sides. We’ve killed hundreds of thousands over the past twenty years in the Middle East. Let’s not forget our criminal wars in Asia. Geez. Fat Americans support the destruction of women and children in between lattes and slurpees? What’s new? Retard nation. Sad.

 

[rainsol]

Your poor grammar aside, do you really believe that because Israel expanded its boundaries beyond the United Nations agreed limits so that they encompass nearly the entire territory of Palestine by the principles of 'We stole it fair and square so it's ours now', it makes it legal?

Listen up bozo, those barbarians invaded Israel and killed civilians....to bad for Gaza but they voted those killers in and gave them a place to hide, worse the idiot in the white house has given them millions which end up in the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah...figure it out if you have half a brain. Or better yet go block a free way in front of a speeding semi.

Firstly, it was those barbarians who invented writing and mathematics before the Western Europeans.

Secondly, Israel was established by the United Nations after WW2 because nobody else would have the Jews, certainly not America. How many times have you seen 'Soros-backed' used as an insult? It's a racist insult.

Thirdly, the state of Israel was given certain boundaries as a Jewish homeland. They have steadily expanded from those boundaries (either by invasion, secret moving of the boundary fence in the night or by just openly evicting people from their land and squatting in the property) until the Palestinians are now squeezed into an area of some 140 square miles. Israel have stated that they now intend to halve that area (which includes the appropriation of Gaza City). That's 2.6 million people into an area without a center of population, industry or agriculture. Whilst 10 million people occupy the rest.

I'm glad to hear you don't support the principal of 'stand your ground', which is what those folks have been trying to do.

You must be in a coma. How is it that you would have Israel respond to the barbaris murders of its citizens from the Gaza?

Expanding, you mean like the Golan Heights where the arabs lobs rockets down on farmers? Get serious, you hate jews and their homeland...

 

[Bray123]

Listen up bozo, those barbarians invaded Israel and killed civilians....to bad for Gaza but they voted those killers in and gave them a place to hide, worse the idiot in the white house has given them millions which end up in the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah...figure it out if you have half a brain. Or better yet go block a free way in front of a speeding semi.

You must be in a coma. How is it that you would have Israel respond to the barbaris murders of its citizens from the Gaza?

Expanding, you mean like the Golan Heights where the arabs lobs rockets down on farmers? Get serious, you hate jews and their homeland...

You don't support 'stand your ground', got it.

 

[Rightguide]

Listen up bozo, those barbarians invaded Israel and killed civilians....to bad for Gaza but they voted those killers in and gave them a place to hide, worse the idiot in the white house has given them millions which end up in the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah...figure it out if you have half a brain. Or better yet go block a free way in front of a speeding semi.

You must be in a coma. How is it that you would have Israel respond to the barbaris murders of its citizens from the Gaza?

Expanding, you mean like the Golan Heights where the arabs lobs rockets down on farmers? Get serious, you hate jews and their homeland...

He exists in an education-free zone.

 

[Shaglus_Ziegler]

Listen up bozo, those barbarians invaded Israel and killed civilians....to bad for Gaza but they voted those killers in and gave them a place to hide, worse the idiot in the white house has given them millions which end up in the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah...figure it out if you have half a brain. Or better yet go block a free way in front of a speeding semi.

You must be in a coma. How is it that you would have Israel respond to the barbaris murders of its citizens from the Gaza?

Expanding, you mean like the Golan Heights where the arabs lobs rockets down on farmers? Get serious, you hate jews and their homeland...

 

[ll74]

The problem I see is that many idiots want complete eradication of Palestinians or Israelis. And those people seem to have hold of the steering wheel

 

[Sean Renaud]

The problem I see is that many idiots want complete eradication of Palestinians or Israelis. And those people seem to have hold of the steering wheel

Either or both groups can have any fucking red state of their choosing. I will willing to risk HAMAS of Colorado or the Zionist state of South Dakota. if this shit can stop.

 

[ll74]

Either or both groups can have any fucking red state of their choosing. I will willing to risk HAMAS of Colorado or the Zionist state of South Dakota. if this shit can stop.

Interesting take. (Not in a mean way.....interesting to me)

 

[rgraham666]

Either or both groups can have any fucking red state of their choosing. I will willing to risk HAMAS of Colorado or the Zionist state of South Dakota. if this shit can stop.

It won't. Not ever.

Too many people on all sides do not want peace. They want victory.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Interesting take. (Not in a mean way.....interesting to me)

I know I took a few vital years off from when you joined assuming (as I do) that you're not an alt but I'll openly admit the following. I generally trust my gut reaction. Will happily double check on things that could be true either way. Like I followed the first few lawsuits from Trump but once we were in double digits I completely stopped double checking a thing for the same reason I don't look to confirm Alex Jones or Glenn Beck. I will shamefully admit that for reason I don't fully understand Alex Jones and Joe Rogan share a space in my head. So do Chris Rock and Chris Tucker and Keira Knightly and Natalie Portland. There is a roughly 60/40 chance that I meant the one I said.

I'm far, far more pragmatic than I am moral. Morals do shape my choices when all else is roughly equal I'm gonna take the easy way.

I strongly disagree with your ultimate opinion that wars are won on will power. IT really is about getting the high score most of the time. We didn't break the Natives. We went full biological warfare and destroyed their food sources. I know we like to pretend the 2nd Amendment keeps a the government from taking over. I would say "YOU!" but we've both been on the internet for decade(s) you've clearly got enough nonperishibles, live off the grid and could hunt for food easily enough. I live in So Cal My Earthquake kits have earthquake kids and I should probably be dumping some of it cus rice from the 90s is probably bad no matter how much it was sealed. That said cut my power, water, gas and do the same to Vons and. . .yeah this shit is gonna suck very, very quickly and I don't know how well prepped the rest of my city let alone county is.

My babysitter growing up was Jewish. One of my best friends and my little brother's best friends are Jewish. I have no love for religion PERIOD but nothing about Jews or Muslims makes me pissed like what Christians do. Cus you know when you control the government I need to be a lot more worried about you than a minority.

The Jews will not replace us is disgusting.

On a very slight aside because the more and more I start digging into history the harder is it is for me to stick to the script.

What would you say is the difference between "From the River to the Sea" and "From Sea to Shining Sea."? cus they sound the same, sound like they have/had very similar effects just on a much grander scale for the US. I'll skip the civics s other than to point out that Ghandi and MLK proved that protesting the right way doesn't mean the Powers that Be won't off you given a chance. And gods the more we learn about what they attempted to do to MLK how is this not history?

Please make it makes sense how a country who claims the 2nd is about government over reach think relatively minor tax increases is more serious than everything between 1860 and 1960 (and still much persists) praises the Founders and hates the Panthers. Free lunches, minimizing police brutality and yes confrontations with the cops but you've been here, juet here so I'm treeting you like you were born in 2013, is that's happening acceptable to you?

 

[ll74]

I strongly disagree with your ultimate opinion that wars are won on will power. IT really is about getting the high score most of the time. We didn't break the Natives. We went full biological warfare and destroyed their food sources. I know we like to pretend the 2nd Amendment keeps a the government from taking over. I would say "YOU!" but we've both been on the internet for decade(s) you've clearly got enough nonperishibles, live off the grid and could hunt for food easily enough. I live in So Cal My Earthquake kits have earthquake kids and I should probably be dumping some of it cus rice from the 90s is probably bad no matter how much it was sealed. That said cut my power, water, gas and do the same to Vons and. . .yeah this shit is gonna suck very, very quickly and I don't know how well prepped the rest of my city let alone county is.

I need to read your whole post to unpack, but the first pass, this hit me.

Politics wins wars most of the time. Will power develops politics. People without fortitude lose interest and support collapses. Leaders with a long enough vision can.keep political pressure on governments and people to achieve their long term goals.

I am long term.

 

[rainsol]

The problem I see is that many idiots want complete eradication of Palestinians or Israelis. And those people seem to have hold of the steering wheel

I see what you did there but no one has called for complete eradication of palestinians, just Hamas and only god knows who they are are on the other hand Iran and its proxies (Hamas and Hezbollah) have called for destruction of Israel.

 

[ll74]

I see what you did there but no one has called for complete eradication of palestinians, just Hamas and only god knows who they are are on the other hand Iran and its proxies (Hamas and Hezbollah) have called for destruction of Israel.

In my thread there has been at least one comment made calling for the complete levelling of Gaza. Yes, there are people calling for it

 

[Noor]

How is the Israeli army going to identify who is Hamas and who is simply Palestinian?

Keep in mind that over half of the population of Gaza is under eighteen.

They know who they are looking for. They keep good records and supposedly use face recognition.

 

[Noor]

In my thread there has been at least one comment made calling for the complete levelling of Gaza. Yes, there are people calling for it

If either side blows up the whole tunnel system, it will level
Much of Gaza.

 

[JohnEngelman]

The people of Gaza haven't voted since 2006.

A New Poll of Palestinians: Supporting Terror and Rejecting Peace​

Lt.-Col. (res.) Maurice Hirsch, November 22, 2023

The results of new market research conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD)1 among Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip and Judea and Samaria (West Bank) give a penetrating insight into the mindset of the Palestinians. For over three decades, the international community has supported both the Palestinians and the Palestinian Authority; the results of the survey show that Palestinians overwhelmingly support terrorism, reject peace, and are fundamentally ungrateful towards the countries that have supported and funded them...

When taken as a whole, the results indicate that an overwhelming percentage of Palestinians support the October 7 massacre (75%), reject coexistence with Israel (85.9%), are committed to the restoration of “historical Palestine” as a final resolution (71.1%), and support the creation of a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” (74.7%) as the end of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Interestingly, there is more support for the 10/7 massacre from the Palestinians resident in Judea and Samaria (83.1%) than those residing in the Gaza Strip (63.6%).

https://jcpa.org/a-new-poll-of-palestinians-supporting-terror-and-rejecting-peace/

 

[ll74]

A New Poll of Palestinians: Supporting Terror and Rejecting Peace​

Lt.-Col. (res.) Maurice Hirsch, November 22, 2023

The results of new market research conducted by the Arab World for Research and Development (AWRAD)1 among Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip and Judea and Samaria (West Bank) give a penetrating insight into the mindset of the Palestinians. For over three decades, the international community has supported both the Palestinians and the Palestinian Authority; the results of the survey show that Palestinians overwhelmingly support terrorism, reject peace, and are fundamentally ungrateful towards the countries that have supported and funded them...

When taken as a whole, the results indicate that an overwhelming percentage of Palestinians support the October 7 massacre (75%), reject coexistence with Israel (85.9%), are committed to the restoration of “historical Palestine” as a final resolution (71.1%), and support the creation of a Palestinian state “from the river to the sea” (74.7%) as the end of the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Interestingly, there is more support for the 10/7 massacre from the Palestinians resident in Judea and Samaria (83.1%) than those residing in the Gaza Strip (63.6%).

https://jcpa.org/a-new-poll-of-palestinians-supporting-terror-and-rejecting-peace/

I posted a poll from October 6. This is how war shapes opinion.

First is an excerpt, second is the actual poll (paywalled). She was interviewed on Ezra Klein (last link)

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org...gainst-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah

Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.”

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas

https://pca.st/episode/13694c81-95c7-4047-9ab3-f3c8014a616e

 

[RandyRebecca]

They can't eradicate Palestinian resistance to Israel, that's obvious. Israel's actions since October 7 have created the next generation of Palestinian resistance fighters, no matter what happens to Hamas. It's also created stronger anti-Israel sentiment across the world, including in the US.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Question for you Hamas/Palestine supporters:

The U.S. was attacked by terrorists in 2001, resulting in the deaths of thousands of people. Do you think that the U.S.'s response by attacking terrorist strongholds in Afghanistan created stronger anti-American sentiment around the world? And did you support those actions?

I am trying to be impartial and neutral here to the Israel/Palestine issue, but let's remember one thing: Hamas slaughtered innocent women and children. Not soldiers or military personnel on a battlefield. If you were around for and remember the feelings on September 8th (22 years ago now) why would you not sympathize with the Israelis response? Doesn't a country have a right to defend itself against (let's be clear here) pure unbridled evil?

So as the thread implies, I suspect that those Americans who do remember September 2001 (and probably a majority of them do) would likewise support the complete eradication of Hamas. Whether that is a feasable or even attainable goal, is the real question.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Question for you Hamas/Palestine supporters:

The U.S. was attacked by terrorists in 2001, resulting in the deaths of thousands of people. Do you think that the U.S.'s response by attacking terrorist strongholds in Afghanistan created stronger anti-American sentiment around the world? And did you support those actions?

I am trying to be impartial and neutral here to the Israel/Palestine issue, but let's remember one thing: Hamas slaughtered innocent women and children. Not soldiers or military personnel on a battlefield. If you were around for and remember the feelings on September 8th (22 years ago now) why would you not sympathize with the Israelis response? Doesn't a country have a right to defend itself against (let's be clear here) pure unbridled evil?

So as the thread implies, I suspect that those Americans who do remember September 2001 (and probably a majority of them do) would likewise support the complete eradication of Hamas. Whether that is a feasable or even attainable goal, is the real question.

Lets start with the fact that there really is no fair comparison between the two events especially not unless you believe some of the whackier conspiracy theories. 9/11 at least from the POV of the average American was unprovoked. I don't think anybody even a child in Israel thinks this was unprovoked. They are probably taught something similar to what we teach our kids about "we didn't start this fight but we're going to end it" combined with "nobody knows how this started" which is a half lie.

That said fuck yeah we created new terrorists. They probably won't be as big a deal because we didn't hem them in for the entire lives and practice shooting fish in barrels. We definitely did. My opinion on 9/11 at the time is utterly irrelevant and that question would be better asked of people who were both older and not in Marine Recruit Training Center San Diego at the fucking time. My memories of 9/11 go back before 9/11 to my recruiter telling me when you start training they are gonna tell you a story about how we're going to war, its just to motivate you. Don't freak out.

Do you know what an 18 year old who woke up 9/10 sending out aol emails to friends and family and getting in a final game of Starcraft, spent the night in a motel and 9/11 people are telling you planes attacked the Twin Towers and the Pentagon? Why not tell me Godzilla got lost on the way to Tokyo. Its equally believable.

Either way the opinion of an 18 year old in the middle of a violent indoctrination program on global politics is completely null. That kid was stupid as shit. In hindsight we definitely fucked up and more or less "ignoring" Al Qaeda most likely nets us the same results with a lower bill.

So the argument here hinges on the fact that a bunch of people, people who generally thought their lives were safe, made an emotional response twenty plus years ago couldn't have learned.

Israelis live with, well not this shit but basically the occasional rocket is just that, the occasional rocket. The body counts are always very, very low and then they get to have fun "defending themselves". Not to put too fine a point on how people who feel safe react to slights there are Americans, and I don't mean punks on Lit or even pundits on Fox. I mean people with active or former elected officials that think attacking Mexico because we can't figure out how to get our kids Oxy legally so they are seeking alternative sources. Course like in Israel if you stop trying to justify this as "oh they are doing 'x'" and accept that race/creed IS the reason it makes a lot more sense.

While they are almost attempting to be subtle some of these same officials have said things similar to "Finish it" "make a parking lot" sort of things. Yes, I'm aware of the vile things HAMAS has said. How much of that they honestly believe, who the fuck knows. At the end of the day there is a world of difference even the most vile gangster talking shit about overtaking the government, and said government threatening to level an inner city. Fuck this equivalence nonsense we've rehearsed.



Oh no they went after civilians. Did we all skip history class cus bombing the ever loving shit out of civilians is how you win wars. You don't discriminate like that, often times you cannot. Either way there is no impartial this far in.

It took a little while for the fever to break depending on the person but these boards were around for 9/11. Even when I started being active there were lots and lots of truthers, lots of us who knew the Global War on Terror was immoral on a good day especially in Iraq.

 

[rainsol]

In my thread there has been at least one comment made calling for the complete levelling of Gaza. Yes, there are people calling for it

SO WHAT? There are the same amount of Arabs calling for the destruction of Israel,,,or more

 

[ll74]

SO WHAT? There are the same amount of Arabs calling for the destruction of Israel,,,or more

Neither are acceptable.

 

[Scotsbiman]

They have told civilians who want to leave to leave and they have provided a safe route out. there is a 24-hour deadline. The route terminates at the Egyptian border and will be closed on the deadline.

Safe route? The same safe route they bombed?
That one yeah?

 

[Noor]

Safe route? The same safe route they bombed?
That one yeah?

You mean the route that Hamas bombed?

 

[RobDownSouth]

You mean the route that Hamas bombed?

Hamas didn't bomb any border crossing.

That was your IDF combatants.

"Collective punishment" and all that.

You know, the sort of stuff we used to hang Nazis for.