Vacate Watch - Speaker Mike Johnson (R - LA)

[ll74]

He is seen very differently to a Romney or McCain by the MAGA supporters, I assure you.

He's a registered Republican. I don't give a fuck how people see him

For what purpose? To ensure inflation instead of deflation when the war in Ukraine starts? Deflation would have meant falling commodity prices alongside sluggish economic growth. By pumping trillions of dollars of taxpayers money into "infrastructure", inflation comes instead, meaning rising commodity prices to "discipline" ordinary Americans and ordinary people internationally, making them pay the price so that the richest get richer still.

Each bill has directly led to more American prosperity and jobs.

And also, what do the small cities, suburbs and towns get out of it all? It all goes to the big cities. Not all of these towns are rural either. Many are deindustrialized, places where factories once made things and those jobs later left town and were shipped abroad. The big city rich, especially in the media, then have the audacity to say that the big cities fund the small cities, towns and rural areas, after taking away their livelihoods and using their taxes on foreign wars and big city services while leaving the smaller areas to rot away. This is an international phenomenon too.

Independence on energy
Strong and modern roadways.
Jobs jobs and more jobs for Americans.

And "green policies" under capitalism mean making ordinary people pay for it all, not the richest. That is why anti-green platforms get support.

They have been working on a rework of tax brackets to increase the tax burden of the well to dos.

You keep working on that third party though.

 

[RandyRebecca]

He's a registered Republican. I don't give a fuck how people see him

So were Abraham Lincoln, Hannibal Hamlin, Thaddeus Stevens and Ulysses S. Grant registered Republicans. Things change.

Each bill has directly led to more American prosperity and jobs.

Where?

Independence on energy

Is that why Biden was asking Saudi Arabia to increase oil production in order to lower oil prices and hurt the Russians, and got rebuffed?

Jobs jobs and more jobs for Americans.

Where are these jobs though, and what wages and conditions? And are any of them coming to the deindustrialized and rural areas?

You keep working on that third party though.

When enough large numbers of people realize what the Democrats really are (i.e. about enriching the richest at our expense), they will.

 

[ll74]

So were Abraham Lincoln, Hannibal Hamlin, Thaddeus Stevens and Ulysses S. Grant registered Republicans. Things change.

Trump is a Republican.

Is that why Biden was asking Saudi Arabia to increase oil production in order to lower oil prices and hurt the Russians, and got rebuffed?

No.

Where are these jobs though, and what wages and conditions? And are any of them coming to the deindustrialized and rural areas?

Already out there and more coming with the additional manufacturing plants being built.

When people realize what the Democrats really are (i.e. about enriching the richest at our expense), they will.

Good luck on your third party.

I don't see you putting in any work to make it happen, but more power to ya.

 

[RandyRebecca]

I don't see you putting in any work to make it happen, but more power to ya.

My loyalty is to policies, not a party machine.

 

[ll74]

My loyalty is to policies, not a party machine.

I don't give a shit about your loyalties

If you can spend time and put in the work to get your policies done, then good for you.

(Spoiler- you won't. You don't have the patience or fortitude)

 

[RoryN]

Trump is a Republican.

Yup. Full stop.

 

[RandyRebecca]

They have been working on a rework of tax brackets to increase the tax burden of the well to dos.

Sure they have.

Capitalism only offers two choices when it comes to climate change:

1. Green policies where middle class, working class and under class people bare the brunt of the costs, and the super rich continue to get richer
2. No green policies, while the planet slowly sinks and burns, and the fossil fuel bosses continue to get richer.

Both are disastrous, but the first option (the Democrats' option) makes ordinary people pay a higher financial price!

 

[ll74]

Sure they have.

Capitalism only offers two choices when it comes to climate change:

1. Green policies where middle class, working class and under class people bare the brunt of the costs, and the super rich continue to get richer
2. No green policies, while the planet slowly sinks and burns, and the fossil fuel bosses continue to get richer.

Both are disastrous, but the first option (the Democrats' option) makes ordinary people pay a higher financial price!

Yes, you continue to spew the same talking points.

Work for a third party or don't. I know you won't.

Now please stfu unless you have something to offer on the thread topic.

 

[butters]

Seven lawmakers have launched campaigns for the gavel ahead of a Sunday deadline, as House Republicans scramble — yet again — to select their new speaker, nearly three weeks after Rep. Kevin McCarthy was ousted from the top post. And five of the announced candidates have committed in writing to a plot to ensure the next speaker-designate can rally 217 votes on the floor.

To pick up more commitments, Flood is organizing a bloc of Republicans to withhold support from candidates unless they press their backers to sign the pledge.

Support for the strategy built rapidly Saturday, with signatures from speakership candidates Reps. Austin Scott (Ga.), Mike Johnson (La.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jack Bergman (Mich.) and Kevin Hern (Okla.), chair of the Republican Study Committee.

Reps. Byron Donalds (Fla.) and Majority Whip Tom Emmer (Minn.) are the only announced candidates who have not yet indicated support for the pledge.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=09d5a17e5ad74afdbfc4bed5b679a4fb&ei=23

names from the link in the first paragraph for those unwilling to click the link

• Rep. Kevin Hern (Okla.) is the chair of the Republican Study Committee.
• Rep. Austin Scott (Ga.) challenged Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) last week, but eventually backed Jordan. He’s a serious voice on agriculture policy and the Farm Bill.
• Rep. Jack Bergman (Mich.)* is a retired Marine Corps lieutenant general.
• Rep. Pete Sessions (Texas)* was once Rules Committee chair and a key ally of former speakers John Boehner and Paul Ryan.
• Rep. Tom Emmer (Minn.) is the majority whip and previously ran the House Republican campaign arm.
• Rep. Mike Johnson (La.) is vice chair of the House GOP Conference and former head of the Republican Study Committee.
• Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.)* is a member of the House Freedom Caucus.

CONSIDERING

• Rep. Jodey Arrington (Texas) is chair of the Budget Committee.
• Rep. Roger Williams (Texas)* is chair of the Small Business Committee and is the coach and manager of the House Republican baseball team.
• Rep. Dan Meuser (Pa.) is a member of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, along with the Republican Main Street Caucus.

the list isn't exhaustive, with more potentially to throw their hats into the ring. It feels kind of a sneaky way for jordan to get his name back in there ONCE others have all signed to support the chosen candidate.
if i recall, Emmer's one of the three names democrats were floating to support, but he'll not get rep backing if he refuses to sign the pledge to back whoever's chosen, so.........

 

[ll74]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=09d5a17e5ad74afdbfc4bed5b679a4fb&ei=23

names from the link in the first paragraph for those unwilling to click the link

• Rep. Kevin Hern (Okla.) is the chair of the Republican Study Committee.
• Rep. Austin Scott (Ga.) challenged Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) last week, but eventually backed Jordan. He’s a serious voice on agriculture policy and the Farm Bill.
• Rep. Jack Bergman (Mich.)* is a retired Marine Corps lieutenant general.
• Rep. Pete Sessions (Texas)* was once Rules Committee chair and a key ally of former speakers John Boehner and Paul Ryan.
• Rep. Tom Emmer (Minn.) is the majority whip and previously ran the House Republican campaign arm.
• Rep. Mike Johnson (La.) is vice chair of the House GOP Conference and former head of the Republican Study Committee.
• Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.)* is a member of the House Freedom Caucus.

CONSIDERING

• Rep. Jodey Arrington (Texas) is chair of the Budget Committee.
• Rep. Roger Williams (Texas)* is chair of the Small Business Committee and is the coach and manager of the House Republican baseball team.
• Rep. Dan Meuser (Pa.) is a member of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, along with the Republican Main Street Caucus.

the list isn't exhaustive, with more potentially to throw their hats into the ring. It feels kind of a sneaky way for jordan to get his name back in there ONCE others have all signed to support the chosen candidate.
if i recall, Emmer's one of the three names democrats were floating to support, but he'll not get rep backing if he refuses to sign the pledge to back whoever's chosen, so.........

Donald's and Emmer are showing up a lot on right wing Twitter....so I think they might be the two front runners.

Thank you for the info

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I haven’t tried keeping up with the hour by hour intrigue but just read that Jordan tried to lure blue state Republicans with a plan to double the SALT deduction. Lol.

 

[zipman]

Welcome to the cesspool of Lit's politics. That's also how I found it when I wandered in, looking for compelling thought. Nah, just the typical hate-isms of 'My party is better than yours.' and 'Oh yeah, mine at least wears underpants.' kind of responses. [Those Melanie, Melania, and Michelle rants, for example.]

Regarding the house speaker, that selection process still needs to be solved. Who would have thought two diverse and erudite groups of intelligent men and women would be unable to reach an amicable resolution in our shared time of crisis? [Yep, just a bit of editing humor this morning; I couldn't resist.]

We arrived at this parallax situation because the majority party gets to write and rewrite the procedural rules over the objections of the other party or parties. Somehow, the representatives who used to address each other as 'distinguished gentleperson from [insert state here], and the rebuttals were done similarly, now address each other with 'Fuck you,' and 'I'll kick your ass, asshole, just come to my office for that.' They don't stop at insults. Their team now calls the wives and threatens them with abuse and death. The party in power refuses to offer solutions to get out of the quagmire Americans expect of them as leaders. It adheres to the definition of insanity: Behave the same way and expect different outcomes.

There seems to be no adult in the house [no pun intended]. How do you fix what the Constitutional framers never conceptualized as a possibility of our inability to govern? I am surprised that legal scholars have yet to step up and offer erudite solutions to this mess. The process needs to be fixed. Isn't there some intervention, a rabbit-out-the-hat move, that the other two branches can invoke in such a scenario? If it doesn't exist, one branch should invoke a temporary claim to have one and put the house in order with a temporary leader empowered with emergency authority. The Pro-tem Speaker role supposedly did that when it was created; however, even that individual's rules are riddled with inept powers in a crisis. His hands are tied behind his back: the ability to call Congress into session, but only to recognize the legitimacy of a new speaker's rise to power and some watered-down control. The Republicans wrote that set of rules.

Envision this: a Republican body stands at the bottom of a rapidly filling well. The only way out is up. Like rats, they climb over one another's crushed bodies to reach the top. Alas, they cannot reach the rim and pull themselves out. Meanwhile, the President, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the American public surround the rim, watching the spectacle. All chant, "You can do it. You can do it! Jump higher!" Meanwhile, some quiet Democrat is lowering a rope - but the Republicans left standing at the bottom as it fills with water refuse to take the offered rope because a lowly Democrat holds the other end of its tenuous lifeline. They seem bent on death before salvation and rationality prevail.

Will Rogers probably foresaw this event when he said, "Congress meets tomorrow morning. Let us all pray: Oh Lord, give us strength to bear that which is about to be inflicted upon us. Be merciful with them, oh Lord, for they know not what they’re doing. Amen.”

And now, back to our regular entertainment segments. Thanks for tuning in to my take on Will Rogers' viewpoint.

You came to a porn board for compelling thought?

Got it.

 

[sandybrooke]

You came to a porn board for compelling thought?

Got it.

yeah, silly me

 

[icanhelp1]

Yes, there are other avenues for that to take place. It takes some brave intestinal fortitude from our leadership.

Sorry for double post, had to work around an error code!


Just to step back and put context to the Melania issue. The name Melanie is the more popular name which prompted an autocorrect. That spelling mistake triggered many. That went viral and once that happens forget about any continuance of civility. I'm sure you could care less but hey it is what it is. I do find your narratives are crafted with civility in mind and are eloquently presented and that's a good thing. Posting on what you correctly described as a *political cesspool* is quite challenging considering that the progressive left outnumber the conservative right I estimate to be a ratio of 8 to 2.

The avenue you speak of is at the ballot box and not some external remedy or quick fix that would trample on the constitutional mandate of separations of powers or dilute the voice of our electorate. The constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written and side stepping it for short term resolutions we do at out peril.

The Constitution doesn't have any provisions to fix the current paralysis of the House of Representatives, as previously noted.

There are provisions within the constitution and those provisions are obvious, but the paralysis in the house is not from lack of provisions but the lack of courage to vote on principal and not party loyalty or to resort to some version of tyranny by majority. Let me remind you that if a bill to fund the Ukraine and Israeli war effort, which is considered by most if not all, a critical need, a need so paramount that is puts the very existence of friendly nations in peril then I question why if this aid is deemed so critical did not one democrats put party loyalty in the rear view mirror and vote with conscience. Democrats had a vote in the speaker election process, and yes republicans are in disarray, but dems are not without blame. The house republicans will hold the majority till 2025, why democrats, for the good of the nation, wouldn't cross party lines to remedy the situation, they are not without some of the blame. Every democrat voted against the republican nominee every time, they filed in lockstep in an attempt to rub republican noses in their obvious national delema. People think that voting in lock step, subservient to party loyalty is a strength, it's not. If there's paralysis in the house chamber it's a house problem brought on by past political warfare tactics which, to recall recent history, really took hold during Harry Reid's tenure as senate majority leader choosing to use the nuclear option to confirm lower court appointments. This led to retaliation by republicans which resulted with Merrik Garland, nominated by Obama, to not be granted an up and down vote for Supreme court Justice. That small change in senate rules brought on an onslaught of mini wars between parties from changing the court from left leaning to right leaning, reversing R vs W, out of control spending and a whole host of impediments to good governance.

Two possible paths can compel action:

Path One, the US Senate can call for an emergency joint session of both houses and, under those guidelines, evoke actions that would fund the government and hammer out the funding for the war efforts without having a Speaker of the House. It would eventually be subject to appeal to the Supreme Court, but with pressure from concerned citizens, it is 'doable.' There are a few past precedence situations, e.g., September 11, 2001, was such a case over the Twin Towers attack on our country. Congress jointly passed that funding, and it went into action immediately.

I disagree with your suggestion of external pathways. Of course the left is already seething at the bit to draw and quarter me, but I digress. There is, in my opinion, no role for external remedies by other branches of government. No branch of government should ever be subservient to other branches of government, it dilutes checks and balances and conflicts with separation of powers deemed a critical mandate added to our constitution by our forefathers. Just imagine the white house being republican, the senate being republican, a right leaning court while house democrats hold a slight majority. Would intervention by republican majorities overrule the house be prudent measures. That takes all three branches to vote for such a drastic change not just two. That's lunacy and opens a path for tyranny by party majority. If problems exist within the house then let the house bring about remedies. I'm certain that if our own demise was imminent and a declaration of war was needed I believe our lower chamber would fall in line in unison and in a heartbeat declare war, why, because it's a decision that is important enough to unify the house.

Path Two, under the Emergency Powers Act, the US President has the ability to protect America's best interests by Presidental declaration of funding the war efforts, declaring America is in danger. That, too, would be subject to review, eventually. But he could temporarily override Congressional inaction due to an extraordinary state of paralysis in Congress. The clear and present danger environment and the public's will would come into play. And those Supreme Court robed people.

IMHO no way, let the house settle its own problems, that's how our republic was crafted, and brilliantly I might add.

Anyone higher than a Speaker Pro-tempore want to stick out their necks - step up for the well-being of our Country first before politics?

The well being of our country rest with a house of representatives that learns to work with each other. The house of representatives is the people's house.

 

[coati]

Boy, IcantHelp seems a bit long-winded in his defensiveness.

 

[SmokingFap]

It's a god-damned shame that there aren't any intelligent, rational, slightly-selfless, somewhat-moral Republicans in the House anymore. While I have always been a fairly liberal Democrat, I've always understood and appreciated the need for an adversarial multi-party system. And there have been Republicans that I have respected even though I disagreed with some or most of their political views and agendas. Granted they were mostly in the Senate, like Bob Dole or John McCain. Folks I was convinced had the best interests of our country at heart, even if I disagreed on those best interests. But Trump has destroyed the Republican party. And now the House Republicans are digging through a mountain of shit trying to find a pearl.

 

[dkovic77]

Sorry for double post, had to work around an error code!


Just to step back and put context to the Melania issue. The name Melanie is the more popular name which prompted an autocorrect. That spelling mistake triggered many. That went viral and once that happens forget about any continuance of civility. I'm sure you could care less but hey it is what it is. I do find your narratives are crafted with civility in mind and are eloquently presented and that's a good thing. Posting on what you correctly described as a *political cesspool* is quite challenging considering that the progressive left outnumber the conservative right I estimate to be a ratio of 8 to 2.

The avenue you speak of is at the ballot box and not some external remedy or quick fix that would trample on the constitutional mandate of separations of powers or dilute the voice of our electorate. The constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written and side stepping it for short term resolutions we do at out peril.

There are provisions within the constitution and those provisions are obvious, but the paralysis in the house is not from lack of provisions but the lack of courage to vote on principal and not party loyalty or to resort to some version of tyranny by majority. Let me remind you that if a bill to fund the Ukraine and Israeli war effort, which is considered by most if not all, a critical need, a need so paramount that is puts the very existence of friendly nations in peril then I question why if this aid is deemed so critical did not one democrats put party loyalty in the rear view mirror and vote with conscience. Democrats had a vote in the speaker election process, and yes republicans are in disarray, but dems are not without blame. The house republicans will hold the majority till 2025, why democrats, for the good of the nation, wouldn't cross party lines to remedy the situation, they are not without some of the blame. Every democrat voted against the republican nominee every time, they filed in lockstep in an attempt to rub republican noses in their obvious national delema. People think that voting in lock step, subservient to party loyalty is a strength, it's not. If there's paralysis in the house chamber it's a house problem brought on by past political warfare tactics which, to recall recent history, really took hold during Harry Reid's tenure as senate majority leader choosing to use the nuclear option to confirm lower court appointments. This led to retaliation by republicans which resulted with Merrik Garland, nominated by Obama, to not be granted an up and down vote for Supreme court Justice. That small change in senate rules brought on an onslaught of mini wars between parties from changing the court from left leaning to right leaning, reversing R vs W, out of control spending and a whole host of impediments to good governance.

I disagree with your suggestion of external pathways. Of course the left is already seething at the bit to draw and quarter me, but I digress. There is, in my opinion, no role for external remedies by other branches of government. No branch of government should ever be subservient to other branches of government, it dilutes checks and balances and conflicts with separation of powers deemed a critical mandate added to our constitution by our forefathers. Just imagine the white house being republican, the senate being republican, a right leaning court while house democrats hold a slight majority. Would intervention by republican majorities overrule the house be prudent measures. That takes all three branches to vote for such a drastic change not just two. That's lunacy and opens a path for tyranny by party majority. If problems exist within the house then let the house bring about remedies. I'm certain that if our own demise was imminent and a declaration of war was needed I believe our lower chamber would fall in line in unison and in a heartbeat declare war, why, because it's a decision that is important enough to unify the house.

IMHO no way, let the house settle its own problems, that's how our republic was crafted, and brilliantly I might add.

The well being of our country rest with a house of representatives that learns to work with each other. The house of representatives is the people's house.

Wow….let’s take on one part…Garland didn’t get a vote because the T’s in the senate wanted to own the libs. The reason they gave was the impending election, more than 6 months away. And then when they had less than 2 months (and knew they would lose in 2020) they made it happen for another lock step win.

You are an idiot, Melanie my ass!

The Dems will vote with a handful of republicans to bring in a real leader, which is not your Gymmie. He doesn’t lead anything but a destructive force, not my words but a former Republican speaker.

 

[jaF0]

House Republicans' speaker fight is 'probably one of the most embarrassing things I've seen': McCaul​

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/ip3/abcnews.go.com.icoABC News|1 hour ago
"We can't govern" without a leader, the committee chairman said. House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Michael McCaul on Sunday bemoaned the nearly three weeks -- and counting -- that the chamber has gone without a speaker amid conservative infighting ...

 

[jomar]

Boy, IcantHelp seems a bit long-winded in his defensiveness.

And wants to blame democrats for not voting for a radical right trump lover for speaker, who would further divide things. For him, it’s the dems responsibility to clean up the repub mess on aisle three

 

[Lazaran]

Boy, IcantHelp seems a bit long-winded in his defensiveness.

Right wing gaslighting requires a LOT of "wind" (verbal flatulence).

*nods*

 

[RoryN]

Boy, IcantHelp seems a bit long-winded in his defensiveness.

Kinda sad since very few - if any - people bother to read his stuff.

That's what happens when you're an uneducated Deplorable gas bag, though.

 

[icanhelp1]

And wants to blame democrats for not voting for a radical right trump lover for speaker, who would further divide things. For him, it’s the dems responsibility to clean up the repub mess on aisle three

First off the disingenuous comment from coati is typical. I wasn't being defensive, I was simply stating that the house should fix its own problems.

You're being intellectually dishonest. Dems are screaming that pubs are responsible for not funding 2 wars. The lack of a speaker is holding up the works. No one is asking dems to clean up the mess in aisle three. True that pubs are in disarray. One problem in voting in a new speaker are the hard core republicans that are against anymore funding for Ukraine. They're against another huge 100 billion dollar spending package. That will not change anytime soon. Dems know that those hard core pubs will not budge. If dems wants to see funding go to Israel then all I said is that they have a vote. You can't deny dems wrap themselves around party loyalty, but today it's not such a good idea. People need to start working with each other.

 

[Rightguide]

Time to draft Newt.

 

[Chernosoth]

If anyone has "stop hitting yourself" jokes, they fit here. Or any thread about either party.

 

[dkovic77]

First off the disingenuous comment from coati is typical. I wasn't being defensive, I was simply stating that the house should fix its own problems.

You're being intellectually dishonest. Dems are screaming that pubs are responsible for not funding 2 wars. The lack of a speaker is holding up the works. No one is asking dems to clean up the mess in aisle three. True that pubs are in disarray. One problem in voting in a new speaker are the hard core republicans that are against anymore funding for Ukraine. They're against another huge 100 billion dollar spending package. That will not change anytime soon. Dems know that those hard core pubs will not budge. If dems wants to see funding go to Israel then all I said is that they have a vote. You can't deny dems wrap themselves around party loyalty, but today it's not such a good idea. People need to start working with each other.

Ohhhh look at you, getting your ass handed to you and now you want people to start working together. Where is all that winning we were promised? I’m sure most pubs would like just one win.. any win. Think they could agree on a lunch order without arguing?

Sure looks like most are ready to collaborate to silence the bat shit super right crazies, so good job Venmo… you got everyone together.