Vacate Watch - Speaker Mike Johnson (R - LA)

[Bn2f]

From the head of the Republican Party to its bottom base - republicans don’t view democrats as a political equal. We are enemies. Even in this thread, who seems more concerned about the speakership? How could Jordan or Scalise bring any less bills to the floor? For republicans, it doesn’t matter who leads when less to no governing is the goal.

 

[butters]

for dems to work with repubs on electing a speaker, a republican speaker, they'd likely need assurances of power-sharing on committees and it'd be great to have an agreement not to shut the government down over disagreements but for the house to have to sit and work things out...do their jobs, in other words.

 

[butters]

fox news has, reportedly, been messaging members prior to the first vote to cast theirs for jordan

there've also been reports of members being threatened with 'vote jordan or get primaried'...calls have also gone out to the republican public to call their congress members and tell them to vote jordan, firing up the maga fruitcakes. I don't know how this will pan out: recalcitrant members have a choice between being targeted in primaries (and, potentially, be at threat from mag nutters) or seeing the house lost in '24 to the dems. I'd love to see them work out a deal and deny jordan, but with the Israeli-Gaza thing pressuring them and fear of magat retribution, i don't hold out a lot of hope for their spines.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...1&cvid=b1fcf70a715f49f8f5f561117f3601ab&ei=15

After the vote, Republicans called a recess to regroup and eke out a path forward. Jordan, a co-founder of the far-right House Freedom Caucus and loyal ally of former President Donald Trump, indicated before the vote that he was willing to force multiple rounds: “Whatever it takes to get a speaker today.” Rep. Jeff Van Drew, R-N.J., told the Times he expects another vote to elect a speaker on Tuesday.

The timing of a second round, however, depends on how long it takes Jordan to connect with his opposition, and its success may be less likely than before. “I personally know 5 will change their votes from yes to no on second round. That’s what they told me. This will get worse,” one House member told

so some may change yes to no, but then others may change in the other direction. Plus jordan only needs to lose 3 instead of four votes after the roll-call (If that's something that remains unchanged between 1st and 2nd vote.)

 

[Bn2f]

fox news has, reportedly, been messaging members prior to the first vote to cast theirs for jordan

there've also been reports of members being threatened with 'vote jordan or get primaried'...calls have also gone out to the republican public to call their congress members and tell them to vote jordan, firing up the maga fruitcakes. I don't know how this will pan out: recalcitrant members have a choice between being targeted in primaries (and, potentially, be at threat from mag nutters) or seeing the house lost in '24 to the dems. I'd love to see them work out a deal and deny jordan, but with the Israeli-Gaza thing pressuring them and fear of magat retribution, i don't hold out a lot of hope for their spines.

To SR’s point on the media and messaging - imagine if MSNBC or Democracy Now could blackmail and effectively sway democratic votes.

 

[Bray123]

fox news has, reportedly, been messaging members prior to the first vote to cast theirs for jordan

there've also been reports of members being threatened with 'vote jordan or get primaried'...calls have also gone out to the republican public to call their congress members and tell them to vote jordan, firing up the maga fruitcakes. I don't know how this will pan out: recalcitrant members have a choice between being targeted in primaries (and, potentially, be at threat from mag nutters) or seeing the house lost in '24 to the dems. I'd love to see them work out a deal and deny jordan, but with the Israeli-Gaza thing pressuring them and fear of magat retribution, i don't hold out a lot of hope for their spines.

Maybe those spineless members should be told, "Vote anyone but Jordan or get primaried." It can work both ways.

 

[LLCox]

If I were the dems I would vote against anyone they put up. It's what the repukes would do to make Them look incompetent. The dems have to be laughing their asses off. With the repukes in charge of the House NOTHING has happened but investigations to nowhere.

 

[ByteMe13]

fox news has, reportedly, been messaging members prior to the first vote to cast theirs for jordan

there've also been reports of members being threatened with 'vote jordan or get primaried'...calls have also gone out to the republican public to call their congress members and tell them to vote jordan, firing up the maga fruitcakes. I don't know how this will pan out: recalcitrant members have a choice between being targeted in primaries (and, potentially, be at threat from mag nutters) or seeing the house lost in '24 to the dems. I'd love to see them work out a deal and deny jordan, but with the Israeli-Gaza thing pressuring them and fear of magat retribution, i don't hold out a lot of hope for their spines.

I’m surprised the GOP hasn’t given Fox Noise a vote

 

[YDB95]

My question to Dribble really is why is the onus on over 200 democrats to stand down for the good of country rather than getting 5 republicans to do the right thing and back Jeffries?

Me too.
If I had to guess, perhaps Dribble is thinking - correctly - the Republicans either can't be trusted to do the right thing or don't even want the government to function anyway, whereas the Dems can and do. Which isn't wrong, but that doesn't make it any less absurd to blame them for not riding to the rescue of people who hate them.

 

[jaF0]

Tuff noogies GymmieJ.

Top Republicans Plan Jim Jordan Alternative​

GOP figures are calling for Speaker Pro Tem Patrick McHenry to be granted more powers so the House can get back to passing legislation.


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[ll74]

Another in support of increasing McHenry's power.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714433018897555723

 

[schism666]

 

[Dribble]

Tuff noogies GymmieJ.

Top Republicans Plan Jim Jordan Alternative​

GOP figures are calling for Speaker Pro Tem Patrick McHenry to be granted more powers so the House can get back to passing legislation.


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But that is opposed by roughly 20 Republicans...requiring help from Democrats. Democrats have added 3 stipulations for support. Two of them...the Republicans that would vote Yes would support. The first is a continuing resolution on our budget...to sometime next year. The second is aid to Israel. The third...will not be supported...nor should they support...that is allowing resolutions supported solely by a minority party to be brought to the floor for a vote. Now...if Democrats want to put in writing...they would honor a similar request...but that is a no go from the Democrat side.

The path forward...is through McCarthy. He has played this brilliantly...potentially removing his Party's far right wing from play. But what no one in Washington seems capable of answering...is if he would take the Position back? What we know...if he did...he would never work with anyone that voted him out...ever. Guess who that was.

 

[ll74]

It looks like a real possibility that McHenry will continue with expanded powers. That would be a win for Democrats if they secure these guarantees.

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/15/house-democrats-patrick-mchenry-gop-chaos

Zoom in: Kildee said there would need to be "some limitations" on what Congress could do under this arrangement — specifically not allowing Republicans to pursue party-line GOP legislation.

• "Democrats are not interested in just rescuing the Republicans from their own problems and have them go right back to business as usual as it was under McCarthy," he said

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• In exchange for empowering McHenry for 15-day increments, they wrote, he would guarantee votes on government funding bills and aid packages for Ukraine and Israel.

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[ll74]

Question - will they hold another vote for speaker or will it get replaced with a McHenry power add vote? Predictions?

Also, if a speaker vote is held again, what's your prediction?

I think Jordan is going to get 190 votes this go.

 

[RoryN]

Current rumblings are that he'll lose more votes if there's a next round.

From CNN today: Pro-Jordan lawmaker predicting the same.

I think Jordan is going to get 190 votes this go.

If it ends up being that low, House Dems should do an extended minute of laughter to rub it in. (I know I will.)

I'll say 195.

 

[RobDownSouth]

At this point, I'm going to hazard a guess and predict the Republicans hold their nose and vote for Steve Scalise to be the next speaker.

Side note: did anyone see Jake Tapper absolutely shut down Nimrata "Nikki" Haley when she attempted to blame Democrats for the lack of a House speaker?

 

[ll74]

Side note: did anyone see Jake Tapper absolutely shut down Nimrata "Nikki" Haley when she attempted to blame Democrats for the lack of a House speaker?

I've noticed that is an increasing line from right wing Twitter as well.

That happens when they cant explain their party actions.

 

[Bray123]

McHenry performed his job already, he had one task allocated and he can retire gracefully, basking in the glory.

It wasn't to appoint a new speaker; it was to evict Pelosi from her office.

 

[RoryN]

Side note: did anyone see Jake Tapper absolutely shut down Nimrata "Nikki" Haley when she attempted to blame Democrats for the lack of a House speaker?

Yes - and it triggered Republicans so badly that FOX News did an entire segment responding to it.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I've noticed that is an increasing line from right wing Twitter as well.

That happens when they cant explain their party actions.

Nimrata took a line from the Orange Shitgibbon playbook and talked right over him...she would NOT be denied her talking point. It's all the Democrats fault!

 

[RoryN]

Jordan has already collected 3 votes in the second ballot.

Watch and learn

I'm watching...and learning that the above wasn't accurate.

Because, as of now, he's lost votes on the second ballot, not gained them.

 

[ll74]

I'm watching...and learning that the above wasn't accurate.

Because, as of now, he's lost votes on the second ballot, not gained them.

Yah, looking at the timestamp on that post, the House being in recess was a bit suspect.

 

[ll74]

Jordan fails on second vote.

Third vote expected. (Today?)

 

[RoryN]

Third vote expected. (Today?)

I wonder if he'll change his mind by the end of this vote?

It's starting to look potentially brutal...