Wat's Guns-N-Stuff Thread

[Wat_Tyler]

Are you insinuating that we have blue deer in our northeastern Forrest?

I suspect that you may have inferred all that I insinuated and a wee bit more.

 

[Chobham]

"Blue Deer" Interesting concept there.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

As opposed to blue tick hounds, I suppose . . . .

 

[Chobham]

Maybe they were bred specifically for blue tick hounds to hunt? Gotta be 'all inclusive' these days.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Sounds kinda exclusive/non-PC to me.

 

[Chobham]

Segregation in the name of inclusion is all the rage these days. Maybe, one day, the proponents of those policies will figure out the contradictions.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

If someone wants to kill themselves and no gun is available they will use whatever method is available. Like standing on the tracks as a train is coming. Walking out in front of a semi. Jumping from a height sufficient to kill them. Poison. Auto exhaust in a closed garage. Hanging. Cutting their wrists. Drug overdose.

That maybe, but the chance of surviving their attempt is much better than with a gun. Facts prove it. Maybe check it out. Also why do so many people in the USA want to commit suicide? The USA's suicide rate is #1 in the G7 countries......why is that?

 

[TrailerHitch]

That maybe, but the chance of surviving their attempt is much better than with a gun. Facts prove it. Maybe check it out. Also why do so many people in the USA want to commit suicide? The USA's suicide rate is #1 in the G7 countries......why is that?

You are honestly telling me your chances of surviving being hit by a train, or by a semi at highway speeds are better than shooting yourself. Ever seen someone hit by either of those? I have, and often there is barely enough left to identify them as a human being. Survival rates for either one is not good at all. As a firefighter/EMT I never saw a hanging victim that was savable. Never had a poisoning victim, plenty of OD's that didn't make it. Auto exhaust is only savable if someone gets to you before the exhaust does. In my experience my people that slash their wrists are calling for help more than attempting to kill themselves.

The real determining factor in successful suicides is how seriously the person wants to die. Until you've actually seen a person put a strap around their neck and a a coat hook on the wall and sit down and strangle themselves to death you will never understand how seriously someone wants to die. So please don't lecture me on suicide and the ways to do it. In all my years in fire and ems I saw only 3 gunshot suicides, the other ways far outnumbered gun shots.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

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[Wat_Tyler]

You are honestly telling me your chances of surviving being hit by a train, or by a semi at highway speeds are better than shooting yourself. Ever seen someone hit by either of those? I have, and often there is barely enough left to identify them as a human being. Survival rates for either one is not good at all. As a firefighter/EMT I never saw a hanging victim that was savable. Never had a poisoning victim, plenty of OD's that didn't make it. Auto exhaust is only savable if someone gets to you before the exhaust does. In my experience my people that slash their wrists are calling for help more than attempting to kill themselves.

The real determining factor in successful suicides is how seriously the person wants to die. Until you've actually seen a person put a strap around their neck and a a coat hook on the wall and sit down and strangle themselves to death you will never understand how seriously someone wants to die. So please don't lecture me on suicide and the ways to do it. In all my years in fire and ems I saw only 3 gunshot suicides, the other ways far outnumbered gun shots.

My brother is an insurance fraud investigator. He worked a case years ago where a guy rear-ended a stopped semi at 81 MPH. The old dial speedo needles would break on impact, and that made deducing the speed at impact a no-brainer. The dead guys had brains - in his ears. Needless to say, it was ruled a suicide. Sad thing is, about a month before he had bought his bride a hefty 6-digit life insurance policy. She got a check for $30 - the return of the premium.

 

[Chobham]

My brother is an insurance fraud investigator. He worked a case years ago where a guy rear-ended a stopped semi at 81 MPH. The old dial speedo needles would break on impact, and that made deducing the speed at impact a no-brainer. The dead guys had brains - in his ears. Needless to say, it was ruled a suicide. Sad thing is, about a month before he had bought his bride a hefty 6-digit life insurance policy. She got a check for $30 - the return of the premium.

The solution is obvious, pass a law making committing suicide with a firearm first degree murder, actually any suicide or attempted suicide.

There is an entire body of law devoted to that subject with courts opinions wandering all over the map.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

The solution is obvious, pass a law making committing suicide with a firearm first degree murder, actually any suicide or attempted suicide.

There is an entire body of law devoted to that subject with courts opinions wandering all over the map.

All the more incentive not to miss.

 

[Chobham]

Yup. It's all falls under the same principle that the ins. co. didn't have to pay up.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Yup. It's all falls under the same principle that the ins. co. didn't have to pay up.

They seem to be in the business of collecting premiums, and of not paying claims.


I saw where a guy once theorized that it's blood between the bricks of the big insurance company walls, and not mortar.

 

[Chobham]

Believe it or not most ins. co's. don't make money off the premiums. They make their money off the investments they make with the premium monies. There are exceptions, like 'whole life' policies.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Believe it or not most ins. co's. don't make money off the premiums. They make their money off the investments they make with the premium monies. There are exceptions, like 'whole life' policies.

If one had a third down 30 years ago, there was a small local life insurance company Back East that had the cheapest mortgages around.

 

[Chobham]

Once upon a time.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Yeah, they sold out to the corporate behemoth years ago.


I wager they made them an offer they don't refuse . . . .

 

[Chobham]

Yeah, they sold out to the corporate behemoth years ago.


I wager they made them an offer they don't refuse . . . .

Usually the case.

 

[JohnnySavage]

I don't have a problem with someone offing themselves - by gun or auto. It's their life, if they choose to end it, that's their business.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I don't have a problem with someone offing themselves - by gun or auto. It's their life, if they choose to end it, that's their business.

No, neither do I. 100% their call. In fact, let's assume that they're sick in some way. Some kind of mental illness. If you think about it for very long, cheating them out of the quick(er) death that can be brought on with a bullet in the head, it might be cruel to sick people to ban firearms to prevent this.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Some good news breaking today

Judge orders New York to dole out nearly half a million in legal fees to NRA after Supreme Court victory​

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-or...-million-legal-fees-nra-supreme-court-victory

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You are honestly telling me your chances of surviving being hit by a train, or by a semi at highway speeds are better than shooting yourself. Ever seen someone hit by either of those? I have, and often there is barely enough left to identify them as a human being. Survival rates for either one is not good at all. As a firefighter/EMT I never saw a hanging victim that was savable. Never had a poisoning victim, plenty of OD's that didn't make it. Auto exhaust is only savable if someone gets to you before the exhaust does.

Don't shoot the messenger Hitch......argue against Harvard....I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/means-matter/case-fatality/

In my experience my people that slash their wrists are calling for help more than attempting to kill themselves.

I agree, I also think the same about those who OD intentionally and try drowning etc.

The real determining factor in successful suicides is how seriously the person wants to die.

Agreed, and those are the ones who grab a gun first.

Until you've actually seen a person put a strap around their neck and a a coat hook on the wall and sit down and strangle themselves to death you will never understand how seriously someone wants to die.

Never seen a person hanging themselves ( IRL) but have been there to see the after view. Not a pleasant sight to see a pretty## young woman found after being that way for a couple hours....

So please don't lecture me on suicide and the ways to do it. In all my years in fire and ems I saw only 3 gunshot suicides, the other ways far outnumbered gun shots.

Well glad you're on the lower view, but then again you're rural right? No big city action......

 

[Rightguide]

SECOND AMENDMENT

Judge orders New York to dole out nearly half a million in legal fees to NRA after Supreme Court victory​

NRA says the $447K award is 'a symbol that justice is definitively on our side'​

By Brianna Herlihy Fox News
Published October 2, 2023 4:00am

FIRST ON FOX - A New York judge ordered the state to pay nearly half a million dollars in legal feels to the National Rifle Association (NRA) after the gun rights group won a major case at the Supreme Court.

In a case decided last summer, the Supreme Court ruled that a New York public carry licensing law was unconstitutional and that the ability to carry a pistol in public was a constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment.

The NRA was a party in that case, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, and last week a New York judge ordered the state to pay $447,700.82 in legal fees.

"The NRA regards the $447K award in the NYSRPA V. Bruen case as a pivotal victory, a symbol that justice is definitively on our side," Michael Jean, NRA’s director of the Office of Litigation Counsel, told Fox News Digital in a statement.

More here: https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-or...-million-legal-fees-nra-supreme-court-victory

Times are hard for NYC first flooded and now mugged by the court for it's attack on the Constitution.

 

[TrailerHitch]

Well glad you're on the lower view, but then again you're rural right? No big city action......

Actually I was a firefighter/EMT in a large metro area with a daytime population over 150,000.

As well as being a volunteer firefighter/EMT in a rural area.

Still other methods far outweighed gun shot suicides.