For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Fuzzy1975]

No, no Lazaran I'm right here..... you and your kind have sold your souls to the son of perdition, Zelensky has brought in a spirit cooker...... sweetie you have absolutely no fucking clue as to what your fucking with, you don't have the capacity to comprehend the horror that's on the other side of the vail awaiting you......

Did you double up on your dose of Lorazapam this am?

 

[Buffalogurl]

Did you double up on your dose of Lorazapam this am?

Good morning fuzzy, it's another fine fall morning. Ya might take yourself and your coffee out on the front porch and enjoy this fine fall morning
Ps, you do realize your one of my favorite folk that post here ?....

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Good morning fuzzy, it's another fine fall morning. Ya might take yourself and your coffee out on the front porch and enjoy this fine fall morning
Ps, you do realize your one of my favorite folk that post here ?....

You failed (again) to answer the question. So I will assume the answer was yes.

 

[TJX]

Oh yes I very much about know about nuclear weapons. There are several classifications. I'll only deal with depleted uranium..... it does emit either alpha, or beta radiation ...iirc... admittedly very low levels but it's still classified as a radiological material... and it's highly toxic, poisonous as hell. causing horrible birth defects in babies. Notably in Iraq where was used extensively (the photos of these horribly disfigured children bare witness to)
So yes it is very much a nuclear weapon.. and more importantly president Putin and the Russian government classifies depleted uranium as a nuclear weapon...... hope I explained well enough...... enjoy your evening

So there you have it. Russia says it so it must be so. You know what other "nuclear weapons" emit radiation? X-rays, cell phones, radar, tanning beds, microwave ovens to name a few. I can't get over your statement, "and more importantly president Putin and the Russian government". Why are you so supportive of them?

 

[VinnyVeritas]

We are helping Ukraine defend itself against a brutal invasion by an outlaw country

Like we defended Georgia and Crimea?

THIS is the line in the sand?

Or, if we can be honest here, are we, in reality, attempting to forestall China's planned takeover of its runaway province?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Like we defended Georgia and Crimea?

THIS is the line in the sand?

Or, if we can be honest here, are we, in reality, attempting to forestall China's planned takeover of its runaway province?

That too.

 

[RandyRebecca]

That too.

Even though the US agrees with the One China policy since the 1970s? LOL. Which is it? Does Biden and his administration support the One China policy (meaning that Taiwan is a part of China) or don't they? It can't be both.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Even though the US agrees with the One China policy since the 1970s? LOL. Which is it? Does Biden and his administration support the One China policy (meaning that Taiwan is a part of China) or don't they? It can't be both.

That was a foolish policy from the beginning and it should be ended.

 

[RandyRebecca]

That ^ is "Becky" giving a full throated, detailed condemnation of the evil, corrupt, murderous Putin regime and Russia.



"Becky"



Slavs Ukraini!!!

This is Lazaran showing not only his moronic behavior, but his support for neonazis in Ukraine and how he seems curiously quiet about the Canadian parliament applauding an actual Nazi from the Waffen-SS as an "Ukrainian hero".

Do you think Russia were America's enemies in WW2 too? A lot of ignorants do.

 

[Rightguide]

That was a foolish policy from the beginning and it should be ended.

The issue with Taiwan is and always has been freedom v Communism.

 

[Rightguide]

This is Lazaran showing not only his moronic behavior, but his support for neonazis in Ukraine and how he seems curiously quiet about the Canadian parliament applauding an actual Nazi from the Waffen-SS as an "Ukrainian hero".

Goes to show the World where Trudeau and his ilk are.

 

[RandyRebecca]

The issue with Taiwan is and always has been freedom v Communism.

"Freedom". What is that? Also, you may as well explain what your definition of communism is as well. I'm amazed at the number of anti-communists who can't even explain what communism actually is.

Nixon and Kissinger agreed to rapprochement with the People's Republic of China in the 1970s for two reasons. First, because they were preparing "public opinion" for a retreat from Vietnam to appease both sides of the political divide in the US, and second because they wanted to drive a bigger diplomatic wedge between China and the Soviet Union (widening the Sino-Soviet split) while agreeing to Detente with both.

Ford carried on this policy, as did Carter initially. However, after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, on top of the Iranian hostage crisis, Carter not only ended Detente and introduced all sorts of boycotts of the Soviets, but even brought back the draft in the US!

 

[RandyRebecca]

Goes to show the World where Trudeau and his ilk are.

Absolutely. Bourgeois liberal hypocrisy is the worst sort of hypocrisy, acting like nice human beings who make out that they are on the left at home while actually supporting the far right in many ways.

 

[Rightguide]

"Freedom". What is that? Also, you may as well explain what your definition of communism is as well. I'm amazed at the number of anti-communists who can't even explain what communism actually is.

Freedom in their case loosely defined as a democracy with a free enterprise economic system and abundant civil liberties, as opposed to a command-order economic system and top-down totalitarian system of government and no real civil liberties.

 

[Lazaran]

"Becky" and "Right" guide make strange bedfellows.



That ^ said:

The Canadian Speaker and others apparently weren’t "woke" enough about the history of that "Ukrainian hero". Although, to be fair, the history of the Ukrainian Galicia unit is a bit complicated, due to it being under the command of the Germans, and due to its Ukrainian members joining with the goal of achieving Ukrainian independence.

Today, neither the scope nor the realities of the far right movement in Ukraine are at all what "Becky" claims.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukraine

From that ^ site/cite:

During Ukraine's post-Soviet history, the far-right has remained on the political periphery and been largely excluded from national politics since independence in 1991.[1][2] Unlike most Eastern European countries which saw far-right groups become permanent fixtures in their countries' politics during the decline and the Dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the national electoral support for far-right parties in Ukraine only rarely exceeded 3% of the popular vote.[3] Far-right parties usually enjoyed just a few wins in single-mandate districts, and no far right candidate for president has ever secured more than 5 percent of the popular vote in an election.[3] Only once in the 1994–2014 period was a radical right-wing party elected to the parliament as an independent organization within the proportional part of the voting: Svoboda in 2012.[3]Since then far-right parties have failed to gain enough votes to attain political representation, even at the height of nationalist sentiment during and after Russia's annexation of Crimea and the Russo-Ukrainian War.[3]

The far-right was heavily represented among the pro-Russian separatistswith several past or current leaders of the republics of Donetsk and Luhansk linked to various neo-Nazi, white supremacist and ultra-nationalistgroups. The importance of the far-right on both sides of the conflict declined over time. In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election, the coalition of Svoboda and the other extreme-right political parties in Ukraine―National Corps, the Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, and the Right Sector―won only 2.15% of the vote combined and failed to pass the 5% threshold. As a result, no party was able to win a proportional seat.[4][5] One party – the Svoboda party – was able to secure a single constituency seat.[6]

Hope that ^ helps.



"Becky"

 

[Rightguide]

From the NYTs who is finally seeing the truth:

“After 18 months of war, a breakthrough looks more difficult than ever,” the New York Times wrote, noting that “the front line has barely shifted” in Ukraine.

Ukraine’s counteroffensive “has struggled to push forward across the wide-open fields in the south”, the NYT writes. “It is facing extensive minefields and hundreds of miles of fortifications — trenches, anti-tank ditches and concrete obstacles — that Russia built last winter to slow Ukrainian vehicles and force them into positions where they could be more easily targeted. When both sides’ gains are added up, Russia now controls nearly 200 square miles more territory in Ukraine compared with the start of the year.”
“Less territory changed hands in August than in any other month of the war, according to a New York Times analysis of data from the Institute for the Study of War. While Ukraine made small gains in the south, Russia took slightly more land overall, mostly in the northeast,” the NYT wrote.

Countrary to hysterical Western claims that Vladimir Putin seeks to conquer all of Ukraine, attack Europe or even “restore the Soviet Union”, Russia has so far been content to conquer and hold the ethnically Russian areas of Ukraine. Russian troops have dug in with extensive defensive works dubbed the ‘Maginot Line’ – a reference to the French defensive line built facing Germany post-WW I.

“The Russian military appears to be comfortable holding the territory it already controls,” according to Marina Miron at King’s College London the NYT reports. “It’s not losing anything by not moving forward,” she said.

BBC Newsnight host Kirsty Wark noted that “the summer counter-offensive in Ukraine is drawing to a close without making the breakthroughs so many had hoped for.”

Reporting from the Bakhmut front for two weeks in August with Ukraine’s 24th Mechanised Brigade, BBC’s Mark Urban noted that “the expectations of what the Ukrainian military could achieve were perhaps higher in the Pentagon than among the veterans of the 24th Brigade.”

So the truth about the failed Ukrainian effort is finally getting out. Of course, informed people with good sources have known this for some months.

 

[jomar]

^^^ Lot of horseshit there. What hysterical western claims? Putins plans to take Kyiv and install a puppet government in the first few days failed miserably. And the reason they appear comfortable holding territory is only because they can’t advance.

 

[Lazaran]

^^^ Lot of horseshit there. What hysterical western claims? Putins plans to take Kyiv and install a puppet government in the first few days failed miserably. And the reason they appear comfortable holding territory is only because they can’t advance.

The ATACMS, the F-16s, and the full complement of M1 Abrams tanks can’t get to Ukraine soon enough. Now that the Ukrainians have fully stabilized the lines of conflict and made some inroads against Russian defensive lines, I feel a lot more comfortable about those ALMOST top of the line weapons being delivered.

More advanced drones to augment those top of the line weapons should be prioritized as well.





If the Ukrainians can use those top of the line weapons to take out the Crimean bridge , the Sevastopol Naval base, and Russian supply depots and routes far behind their defensive lines, then Russia will have to consider whether the cost of continuing their unprovoked and unjustified war of aggression is worth it.

And Ukraine has been increasingly bringing the war to Russian soil by attacking Russia’s power grid in its westernmost cities.

Russia currently has sooooo much more to lose than Ukraine by continuing this war. And Ukraine is beginning to attack Russia like it has nothing to lose - because it really doesn’t. Ukrainians are basically saying: “Freedom or death” at this point. Nukes don’t even scare them.



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[RandyRebecca]

"Becky" and "Right" guide make strange bedfellows.



That ^ said:

The Canadian Speaker and others apparently weren’t "woke" enough about the history of that "Ukrainian hero". Although, to be fair, the history of the Ukrainian Galicia unit is a bit complicated, due to it being under the command of the Germans, and due to its Ukrainian members joining with the goal of achieving Ukrainian independence.

Today, neither the scope nor the realities of the far right movement in Ukraine are at all what "Becky" claims.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukraine

From that ^ site/cite:

During Ukraine's post-Soviet history, the far-right has remained on the political periphery and been largely excluded from national politics since independence in 1991.[1][2] Unlike most Eastern European countries which saw far-right groups become permanent fixtures in their countries' politics during the decline and the Dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, the national electoral support for far-right parties in Ukraine only rarely exceeded 3% of the popular vote.[3] Far-right parties usually enjoyed just a few wins in single-mandate districts, and no far right candidate for president has ever secured more than 5 percent of the popular vote in an election.[3] Only once in the 1994–2014 period was a radical right-wing party elected to the parliament as an independent organization within the proportional part of the voting: Svoboda in 2012.[3]Since then far-right parties have failed to gain enough votes to attain political representation, even at the height of nationalist sentiment during and after Russia's annexation of Crimea and the Russo-Ukrainian War.[3]

The far-right was heavily represented among the pro-Russian separatistswith several past or current leaders of the republics of Donetsk and Luhansk linked to various neo-Nazi, white supremacist and ultra-nationalistgroups. The importance of the far-right on both sides of the conflict declined over time. In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election, the coalition of Svoboda and the other extreme-right political parties in Ukraine―National Corps, the Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, and the Right Sector―won only 2.15% of the vote combined and failed to pass the 5% threshold. As a result, no party was able to win a proportional seat.[4][5] One party – the Svoboda party – was able to secure a single constituency seat.[6]

Hope that ^ helps.



"Becky"

Those Canadian jerks of MPs knew everything, Trudeau included. They applauded a Waffen-SS Nazi from WW2 who fought for Hitler, and see him as a "hero of Ukraine". They did this after Rota mentioned that Hunka fought against Russia in WW2 (our ALLIES). Who was fighting Russia in WW2? Nazi scum, and the Canadian MPs applauded. Trudeau didn't apologize to Russia, but to Zelensky, and Zelensky was also applauding Hunka because he knew what Hunka is and was. They are all SICK, as is anyone who supports them. Death to fascism!

As for the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and their fighters, resisting Ukrainian fascism was front and center of the split from Ukraine, although admittedly the forces involved are across the political spectrum, from Russian nationalists (even fascists) to separatists to Communists and Soviet Union supporters. On the Ukrainian side is neonazi battalions in the national guard since the Euromaidan coup in 2014, and glorification and support of neonazis and actual Nazis by US Democrats and their lackeys. The US Democrats paint themselves as the reasonable and sane ones on the side of ordinary people, like Canadian politicians in general. They are full of shit.

 

[Lazaran]

Those Canadian jerks of MPs knew everything, Trudeau included. They applauded a Waffen-SS Nazi from WW2 who fought for Hitler, and see him as a "hero of Ukraine". They did this after Rota mentioned that Hunka fought against Russia in WW2 (our ALLIES). Who was fighting Russia in WW2? Nazi scum, and the Canadian MPs applauded. Trudeau didn't apologize to Russia, but to Zelensky, and Zelensky was also applauding Hunka because he knew what Hunka is and was. They are all SICK, as is anyone who supports them. Death to fascism!

As for the Donetsk and Lugansk Republics and their fighters, resisting Ukrainian fascism was front and center of the split from Ukraine, although admittedly the forces involved are across the political spectrum, from Russian nationalists (even fascists) to separatists to Communists and Soviet Union supporters. On the Ukrainian side is neonazi battalions in the national guard since the Euromaidan coup in 2014, and glorification and support of neonazis and actual Nazis by US Democrats and their lackeys. The US Democrats paint themselves as the reasonable and sane ones on the side of ordinary people, like Canadian politicians in general. They are full of shit.

^
I broke "Becky".

I don’t feel good about it, but…

Ah, who am I kidding.

Fuck "Becky".



"Becky"



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[RandyRebecca]

^^^ Lot of horseshit there. What hysterical western claims? Putins plans to take Kyiv and install a puppet government in the first few days failed miserably. And the reason they appear comfortable holding territory is only because they can’t advance.

While it's true that the Russians failed to take Kiev early in the war, the Russians currently hold all of the Black Sea coastal areas east of the Dnieper river. That is the most important factor in the war, not taking the whole of Ukraine. Time is also on the Russians' side. They can dig their heels in and pick off the Ukrainian forces until something snaps in either Ukraine or in NATO, with a US presidential election coming up soon and as opposition to the war among people in western countries rises.

At this point, the best case scenario for Russia would be to go west of the Dnieper river, take Odessa, landlock Ukraine and control land running from Russia proper all the way down the Black Sea coast to Transnistria/Moldova, and leave the Euromaidan regime in Kiev to be the EU's mess. This would be much more preferable for the Russians than invading and occupying hostile anti-Russian areas in western Ukraine. Why choose the latter and have what Napoleon Bonaparte termed an "ulcer"?

And what's victory for Ukraine? Returning to the 2013 borders, or at the bare minimum to the Minsk Accords that the Euromaidan regime and NATO ahowed such contempt for before the Russian invasion when they were killing people in the Donbass. What are the chances of Ukraine achieving their definition of "winning"? Ask the warmongers in the Pentagon and CIA.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Those Canadian jerks of MPs knew everything, Trudeau included.

The "jerks" all 305 them knew what, when? Laughable.

But coming from the person who claims the Ukrainians are also Nazi's, not unexpected.

I'd ask you for a citation proving what you think, but I know that's not possible, and I really don't give a shit what you think, you're a fucking conspiracy nut, and that's me giving my nice opinion. I posted yesterday what I actually think of you.

BTW you ducked and ran for cover from my comparing you to Albright fast, didn't you. *chuckles*

 

[Fuzzy1975]

^
I broke "Becky".

Sorry Laz, becky was already broken....

I don’t feel good about it, but…

Ah, who am I kidding.

Fuck "Becky".

No way my dick would go near anything that crazy!!!!

"Becky"



Slava Ukraini!!!

 

[RandyRebecca]

The "jerks" all 305 them knew what, when? Laughable.

But coming from the person who claims the Ukrainians are also Nazi's, not unexpected.

I'd ask you for a citation proving what you think, but I know that's not possible, and I really don't give a shit what you think, you're a fucking conspiracy nut, and that's me giving my nice opinion. I posted yesterday what I actually think of you.

BTW you ducked and ran for cover from my comparing you to Albright fast, didn't you. *chuckles*

Why bother? You'd just attack any source I'd cite. You've picked your side, i.e. neonazi filth. That's as low as it gets, alongside scabs.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Why bother? You'd just attack any source I'd cite.

Actually I'd be interested in seeing a source. I truly doubt you can find one, not even from some far out rightwing blog...

You've picked your side, i.e. neonazi filth.

LOL thanks for the complement

That's as low as it gets, alongside scabs.

Another complement, again, you're the one who is saying exactly what Albright did, the means justify the ends, while thousands of children have been killed or watched their parents be killed and then kidnapped from their country and sent to Russia. Yes you're that piece of shit Becky....feel free to call me what you will. I am not the one who is cheering that on, and saying hey, just let Putin do what the fuck he wants with Ukraine!

https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-soldiers-kill-ukraine-children-documentary-war/#:~:text=KYIV — Russia's army has killed,February 2022, Ukrainian prosecutors say.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...dnapping-abducting-ukrainian-children/674535/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas

https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/russian-war-crimes-ukraine