Do you own your body?

[IrezumiKiss]

What is unconstitutional

What is sad is that you don't find the very idea of an abortion pill disgusting. Notice pro choice people are people who are alive. The choice is ultimately the woman's and if she is married or in a relationship than she should discuss it with her partner. I was I guess the rare case, I wanted the baby but she didn't. At first she did and God In heaven how I loved her so much. I bought 4 self pregnancy tests after work and headed to her brother's house and all four of them were positive, I know it was probably wrong of me but I held her and declared my love and commitment to her and our child. When I drove her home I parked the car and opened her door and hugged her and kissed her face and taking her hand I led her to her front door she asked me "what are you doing?" I told her I was going to sit right beside her as we both told her mother and older sister.

I will never forget the look of absolute love and respect she gave me. The look of safety and confidence in me. By the end of the conversation her mother was crying and hugging me with smiles. Long story short someone got in her head (I learned it was an ex boyfriend) she got an abortion and moved to another state and cheated on me)

That was 16 years ago and I have not been on a date or had relations with a woman. I was gutted and it almost killed me. I took her to the clinic even though I wouldn't pay a dime for the abortion (her sister in law did) I sat in the waiting room. I had flowers waiting for her when I brought her back to her brother's house and I laid next to her just holding her and stroking my fingers through her beautiful hair. No words were said, I took the advice from some murdering institution named PLAN PARENTHOOD

Before I get cursed at go and read Margaret Sangers manafestio, she said and I quote "I started plan parenthood to KILL BLACK PEOPLE" . Go read it it will make your eyes open up, I sat reading it three years ago at Penns Landing and a couple came up to me and asked if I was alright, it was than that I noticed I had tears running down my face.

I am a broken man till this day, just saying all men are not the same

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au revoir enfant

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701668449733251138

 

[adrina]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-abortions-medical-emergencies-challenge-bans

Women challenge abortion bans in three states after emergency care denied​

The Center for Reproductive Rights has taken legal action on behalf of women denied care in Idaho, Oklahoma and Tennessee

Women who say they were denied abortions in medical emergencies have taken legal action in Idaho, Oklahoma and Tennessee, in the latest attempt to challenge abortion bans that, abortion patients and doctors say, prevent people from getting care even when their health is in danger.

The lawsuits in Idaho and Tennessee, along with a federal complaint against a hospital in Oklahoma, were filed on Tuesday by the Center for Reproductive Rights, which filed a similar lawsuit on behalf of women in Texas earlier this year. Tuesday’s filings were first reported by the Washington Post.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1702128167115452732

 

[RandyRebecca]

Absolute madness.

And that madness is all done so that we don't talk about billionaire capitalists exploiting us financially. It suits the Democrats and Republicans to have a big culture debate about something else, i.e. abortion, birth control, guns, trans issues etc. It's billionaires saying "Don't look at us! Look over there!"

 

[adrina]

Absolute madness.

And that madness is all done so that we don't talk about billionaire capitalists exploiting us financially. It suits the Democrats and Republicans to have a big culture debate about something else, i.e. abortion, birth control, guns, trans issues etc. It's billionaires saying "Don't look at us! Look over there!"

Or. Ya know. People could fight for themselves and get involved in politics. Be informed. Vote. Run.

The reality is that when we have 1 in 6 people who always vote and 2 in 6 people who never vote, then there isn't anyone keeping a real check on the powers that be. So we end up with a government that can be - and is - exploited by big money.

 

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[v_indigo]

Or. Ya know. People could fight for themselves and get involved in politics. Be informed. Vote. Run.

The reality is that when we have 1 in 6 people who always vote and 2 in 6 people who never vote, then there isn't anyone keeping a real check on the powers that be. So we end up with a government that can be - and is - exploited by big money.

Gerrymandering aside, I think too many people discount the power of state elections. This shit is happening there, not at the federal level. Too many people see it as the same thing.
Of course, you can’t just put gerrymandering aside.

The fact is that too many people think their vote doesn’t count. And a whole lot of them are right, because those with power are happy to take all of yours away.

 

[Rotadom]

 

[adrina]

Gerrymandering aside, I think too many people discount the power of state elections. This shit is happening there, not at the federal level. Too many people see it as the same thing.
Of course, you can’t just put gerrymandering aside.

The fact is that too many people think their vote doesn’t count. And a whole lot of them are right, because those with power are happy to take all of yours away.

If voting didn't matter, they wouldn't be trying to restrict it so heavily.

And, honestly, how the hell would we know that voting doesn't matter? It's not like we've tried it.

Pick any 10 Americans who are eligible to vote:

• 1 always votes (every election, every time, every level - and sadly, given special elections, it's more like 1 in 15.)
• 4.0 never votes (not local, not state, not federal, not primary, not general - not at all)
• .5 vote once every 4 years (presidential generals only)
• 4.5 vote every 2 and 4 years (midterm and presidential generals only)

So essentially, most Americans don't vote or only vote every 2 to 4 years. Most Americans participate in only electoral college elections while completely ignoring special, primary and local elections. If you went to any county website in the US and checked out their turnout for specials, it is usually less than 2%. Yay, go team voters.

As a county of mostly disinterested or lazy citizens, when have we actually voted?

 

[Dribble]

Demographic evidence from both Parties show the same thing...but there will always be uninformed people blaming those that don't vote.

Why Dribble...what do you mean? Those that do vote...already represent quite accurately the views of those don't vote. Adding 10....20....30% more voters does little to nothing to the outcome. THIS IS WHY NEITHER PARTY invests greatly in increasing voter turnout. Far better to invest money to convince the few independent voters that their candidate best represents them.

If you want to CHANGE opinions...you must have a policy that does that.

But hey...far easier to point a finger at others blaming them.

 

[adrina]

Yup sure thing. Barely half of the folks vote, but not voting isn't a problem. Okey dokey.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Gerrymandering aside, I think too many people discount the power of state elections. This shit is happening there, not at the federal level. Too many people see it as the same thing.
Of course, you can’t just put gerrymandering aside.

The fact is that too many people think their vote doesn’t count. And a whole lot of them are right, because those with power are happy to take all of yours away.

I agree. State governments exercise a tremendous amount of power over our lives. Commerce, land use, education, public utilities, insurance, infrastructure and many other important facets of how we live are primarily determined at the state level. The importance of local elections should not be discounted either. Many state and federal legislators start their careers on school boards, city councils, county supervisors, and DAs. I’ve learned to give extra scrutiny to young candidates with no significant work experience seeking those elected positions. I don’t have a problem with them choosing politics as a career, but if they’re using an office primarily as a launch pad for higher offices down the road, it’s important for me to try and assess what kind of politician that person is likely to become.

 

[Dribble]

Yup sure thing. Barely half of the folks vote, but not voting isn't a problem. Okey dokey.

Take a statistics course

 

[adrina]

Take a statistics course

You too. Well you're at it take a civics course.

 

[Dribble]

We only have 50 years of detailed political demographic information....but it is wrong...lol

What my fellow Democrats fail to recognize...what we see...DOES represent the population as a whole. Increased voter turnout will not change the results...because the turnout we have already represents the view of society. Stop focusing on WHAT PEOPLE SAY. People lie. Focus on what people do. If abortion was the issue people want to make it...it already would be reflected in the voter results.

Increasing voter turnout DOES NOT increase only one side. It increases both sides. This is why Parties invest as they do

So how does a Party increase voter turnout for their side but not the other? Policy. Not empty words. Action.

 

[Dribble]

You too. Well you're at it take a civics course.

I have. And I have a greater understanding of "civics" than you ever will have. And here is the important part...I am working towards solutions within our political system.

Policy...is key. Not empty words.

 

[Dribble]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/19/politics/new-hampshire-primary-all-over-the-map/index.html

 

[adrina]

Sure thing. Voting doesn't matter. That's why the GOP and the conservatives spend millions upon millions of dollars trying to suppress the vote. And further why they are even looking at raising the voting age.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Dribble]

Sure thing. Voting doesn't matter. That's why the GOP and the conservatives spend millions upon millions of dollars trying to suppress the vote. And further why they are even looking at raising the voting age.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didn't say that did I? But you are blind. Big difference between suppressing voters already in the system...and adding new voters that don't vote. It is ok Adrina. You live in a shit state and you are bitter.

Adrina believes...if we add 20% more voters...they will all side on her side. The reality...is you add 10% on one side and another 10% on the other...and nothing changes.

The ONLY path forward that allows for change...is to have a policy that the non-voters value. But what do they see? An Administration that promises things and never comes through and never fights for what they value. But keep fighting the battle that you will never win

 

[adrina]

I didn't say that did I? But you are blind. Big difference between suppressing voters already in the system...and adding new voters that don't vote. It is ok Adrina. You live in a shit state and you are bitter.

Adrina believes...if we add 20% more voters...they will all side on her side. The reality...is you add 10% on one side and another 10% on the other...and nothing changes.

The ONLY path forward that allows for change...is to have a policy that the non-voters value. But what do they see? An Administration that promises things and never comes through and never fights for what they value. But keep fighting the battle that you will never win

Bitter.... says the dork who mindlessly follows people around sniping.

Asshat that's not what I have ever said. Untuck your head.

Also, Mr statistics, tell me how 10-15% average primary turnout is 80% of the voters. Also explain how barely 2/3rds showing up in the presidential general as an all time turnout is merely only 20% additional to make up the balance.

Look up demographics juvenile fuckwit. See which one's vote the least.

Dribble dickwad believes that barely half of the citizens (even if Mr statistics and civics can't math to save his life - apparently half = 80%) is adequate to keep elected officials in line. Cuz a country with a government of, by and for the people will function great when barely half bother to vote. And less than 1 in 10 do so militantly.

Hint: government won't care about the people until the people make them.

You sound like an idiot.

 

[Lazaran]

I didn't say that did I? But you are blind. Big difference between suppressing voters already in the system...and adding new voters that don't vote. It is ok Adrina. You live in a shit state and you are bitter.

Adrina believes...if we add 20% more voters...they will all side on her side. The reality...is you add 10% on one side and another 10% on the other...and nothing changes.

The ONLY path forward that allows for change...is to have a policy that the non-voters value. But what do they see? An Administration that promises things and never comes through and never fights for what they value. But keep fighting the battle that you will never win

Democrat’s policies are perfectly on point.

Republicans are the ones blocking positive societal change from government.

Even when it comes to the border and the economy, Democrats actually have appropriate policies and spending to improve things.

Democrats currently supporting THE GOOD FIGHT in Ukraine is also on point.

Democrats supporting unions is also on point. Republicans are the ones who decimated unions over the last 50-60 years, leading to outrageously gross disparities between workers and CEOs.

Democrats WERE involved with moving some heavy industries to other countries, and mining less in the US, but, on balance, those aren’t really such bad things. America benefited from cheaper products, while avoiding the significant environmental impacts from those industries.

I can’t think of a single major issue that Democrats have been totally on the wrong side of in the last 50 years, and their positions involving certain contentious social issues have evolved in a positive direction , supporting MLK’s belief that “the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice”.

And all that ^ doesn’t even account for the Democrats not being in control of things for much of the past 50 years. - Especially when it comes to the SCOTUS.

All those progressive Obama voters and Bernie Bros really should have VOTED for Hillary and Democrats in 2016.

If that ^ had happened, many of the most contentious issues of today wouldn’t even be being argued: Roe would still be in place, access to voting / voting rights would be protected, immigration reform would be addressed, and the rise of bigots and white nationalism would have been blunted.

Also: There would have been no J6, and maybe even no Trump inspired - police brutality - George Floyd murder and subsequent riots.

Bottom line:

VOTE.

And VOTE Democrat.

 

[ll74]

Off topic (kinda)
Just a friendly reminder with the November general election approaching - recheck your registration. With so many states removing people from voter rolls, it's important to verify that you're still there.

Go now and check. Especially Ohio...

 

[Dribble]

Bitter.... says the dork who mindlessly follows people around sniping.

Asshat that's not what I have ever said. Untuck your head.

Also, Mr statistics, tell me how 10-15% average primary turnout is 80% of the voters. Also explain how barely 2/3rds showing up in the presidential general as an all time turnout is merely only 20% additional to make up the balance.

Look up demographics juvenile fuckwit. See which one's vote the least.

Dribble dickwad believes that barely half of the citizens (even if Mr statistics and civics can't math to save his life - apparently half = 80%) is adequate to keep elected officials in line. Cuz a country with a government of, by and for the people will function great when barely half bother to vote. And less than 1 in 10 do so militantly.

Hint: government won't care about the people until the people make them.

You sound like an idiot.

It has to do with sampling of a larger population. Once the sample gets over the critical value...adding more samples to the dataset do not make it more precise or accurate. The question...if you want to debate this...is the voting group representative of the population as a whole? Demographic data from over 50 years of collection say it is. However, if you have evidence this is not the case...walk on down to your Party's nearest campaign office and show it to them. They will embrace you fully.


Ask any Republican why they vote as they do...even in spite of the removal of women's rights...they will tell you they don't support that. Ask them why they vote to kill kids in schools with guns...they will tell you they don't support that. Ask them why they support a President that lies and is a criminal....again...they will claim they disagree with Trump. So in spite of all the negatives...no matter what...they will still vote Republican. Why? BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO SUPPORT THESE THINGS. Fifty percent of those that don't vote...would vote Republican if forced. This is what numbers say. Again...if you got data better than what we have...please show it.

There is only one way to convince those that don't vote to vote. That is to give them what they ask for. You want the youth vote....why has this Administration sold out on environmental issues each and every time? They see the empty words.

Ask any high school kid...what they think of our future. You won't like it. They see it as it is. No sugar coating. No Kool-aid. And you want their vote? And refuse to listen to them?

You want more voters supporting your party? Give them a say. No say....no votes

 

[Dribble]

Democrat’s policies are perfectly on point.

Republicans are the ones blocking positive societal change from government.

Even when it comes to the border and the economy, Democrats actually have appropriate policies and spending to improve things.

Democrats currently supporting THE GOOD FIGHT in Ukraine is also on point.

Democrats supporting unions is also on point. Republicans are the ones who decimated unions over the last 50-60 years, leading to outrageously gross disparities between workers and CEOs.

Democrats WERE involved with moving some heavy industries to other countries, and mining less in the US, but, on balance, those aren’t really such bad things. America benefited from cheaper products, while avoiding the significant environmental impacts from those industries.

I can’t think of a single major issue that Democrats have been totally on the wrong side of in the last 50 years, and their positions involving certain contentious social issues have evolved in a positive direction , supporting MLK’s belief that “the arc of the moral universe bends towards justice”.

And all that ^ doesn’t even account for the Democrats not being in control of things for much of the past 50 years. - Especially when it comes to the SCOTUS.

All those progressive Obama voters and Bernie Bros really should have VOTED for Hillary and Democrats in 2016.

If that ^ had happened, many of the most contentious issues of today wouldn’t even be being argued: Roe would still be in place, access to voting / voting rights would be protected, immigration reform would be addressed, and the rise of bigots and white nationalism would have been blunted.

Also: There would have been no J6, and maybe even no Trump inspired - police brutality - George Floyd murder and subsequent riots.

Bottom line:

VOTE.

And VOTE Democrat.

The Democratic Party...has no policy. They say they support this...and support that...and they have no plan on how to do this. Other than "vote for us". That is the real problem. They are reactive to what the Republicans do. They are not proactive to this is the problem...let's fix it...and here is how.

What is the number one issue roughly 70% of Americans say we need to address? I don't know about what kind of campaign you run...but confronting that would be my number one goal. Why hasn't this Administration come out and say...I hear you...this is our plan. Remember 20 years ago....candidates dropped actual plans on the desk. Where are these plans?