The Psychology of White Supremacy

[dkovic77]

You may be trying to sound smart when you aren’t but I am just typing the way I would talk to someone in public every day.

And do they laugh at your face when you speak? Or are they polite and wait for you walk around the corner?

Better yet, do they try to get you into a support group in the church basement. Lots of programs out there for lost folks like you.

 

[RandyRebecca]

It’s rare to be able to put a white supremacist under the microscope and inspect his preoccupations and grievances.

The impression I’m getting is of a man in his mid-30s whose life has gone off track and he can’t figure out why.

The answer can’t be himself, so it must be some shadowy other like the Jews. Or the blacks. Or the Jews and the blacks.

But this also exposes how the Democrats don't solve his problems, and in some ways make them worse. This then increases his hatred for the Democrats, as he buys more and more into culture wars as his life gets worse.

Only by displacing the ego wound he can regain his sense of being the hero of his personal narrative. He’s no longer a pathetic loser, he’s a tragic victim, unfairly ground down because of his white skin.

But in reality, it's about class rather than race. The enemy isn't non-whites, it's the super rich capitalists.

For disaffected young men like him, Nazism is a seductive siren song. The original Nazis were ego vampires feeding off the wounds of a generation of German men who couldn’t get over losing the Great War.

But again, the left has to come up with the answers to solving society's problems. If the left fails, then it feeds right-wing reaction. And what we see is the so-called "left" almost everywhere supporting the globalist corporations and imperialist wars. Hillary Clinton was up to her eyeballs in imperialist wars and supporting corporations, and called people "deplorables", acted surprised when she lost, and then blamed it on "Russia" with no introspection of her actions or what she had done wrong.

Even now, those Democrats and Republicans blaming Donald Trump will never look inwards at themselves and how they act and behave. Millions of Americans know this, and identify with Trump's rage at the "swamp". Trump would sell out all of Capitol Hill and the big business class if it would help the Trump brand and his own power. Why isn't the left articulating anti-establishment feeling and is instead looking like the representative of the establishment?

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. I guess I’m just hoping for a conversation about how radicalization like this can be nipped in the bud.

Catering to Nazis only emboldens them, but there must be some way to deprogram them

Only socialism and class struggle can defeat fascism. WW2 showed that. It was the Red Army that smashed the Nazi war machine in Eastern Europe, to quote the conservative Churchill "tore the guts out of the German war machine". Most of the capitalist class (Churchill was in a minority, and FDR even more so) would have been looking for a compromise with fascism like the Vichy regime in France, who could remember revolutionary events like 1871, 1848, 1830, the Napoleonic era of 1799-1814 + 1815, and most of all the French Revolution of 1789-1794. The French ruling class in 1940 could remember such events, and so most of them came to a compromise with the Nazis, with only a minority like Charles de Gaulle going the French Resistance route.

Only socialism and class struggle can defeat Trumpism, for that matter. A Bernie Sanders like figure going up against Donald Trump would be a start.

 

[stxjimmy]

Black supremacist sites in the 90s.

I was digging deeper into what black people thought about slave owners in the present day and I came across a site calling white slaveowners “devils” so I checked it out because I thought the post looked like satire…and it wasn’t.

Is that www.whiteslaveownersdevils.com?

 

[RandyRebecca]

Slaveowners weren’t usually bad people but slavery itself was horrible.

As a young still Christian boy at the time I couldn’t believe someone would call another person a “devil”, I thought it was a name that black people only called slaveowners for some reason but then they started calling white people in the modern day devils and started gloating about declining birth rates and I started to realize how racist black people could be.

Even the best slave owners treated their slaves like a good owner treats a pet dog. They could be kind, but it's still awful. The worst slave owners were absolutely brutal on an industrial scale.

How many people know that homophobia in African and Caribbean countries has a link to how slave owners used to rape slaves? The anal sex act became synonymous with a slave owner punishing a slave. Admittedly, there are other dimensions too, like evangelical churches tightening their grip elsewhere because they are rapidly losing power in western countries.

 

[ll74]

Even the best slave owners treated their slaves like a good owner treats a pet dog. They could be kind, but it's still awful. The worst slave owners were absolutely brutal on an industrial scale.

How many people know that homophobia in African and Caribbean countries has a link to how slave owners used to rape slaves? The anal sex act became synonymous with a slave owner punishing a slave. Admittedly, there are other dimensions too, like evangelical churches tightening their grip elsewhere because they are rapidly losing power in western countries.

He literally romanticizes slavery and slave owners as a default.

 

[bijedi]

Slaveowners weren’t usually bad people but slavery itself was horrible.

By definition if you own another person as your personal property, you are a bad person.

This is like saying mass murderers aren't bad people, but the act of killing people is horrible.

 

[RandyRebecca]

He literally romanticizes slavery and slave owners as a default.

Largely because, to him, any hope that he ever had was destroyed, and he has given in to despair. Fascism is counter-revolutionary despair. Despair is the death of hope. The most extreme cases want to see the world burn.

 

[ll74]

This is like saying mass murderers aren't bad people, but the act of killing people is horrible.

This is a perfect comparison.

 

[RobDownSouth]

He literally romanticizes slavery and slave owners as a default.

I'm waiting for him to go "Full Desantis" and start referring to slavery as "extended comprehensive job training programs".

 

[ll74]

Largely because, to him, any hope that he ever had was destroyed, and he has given in to despair. Fascism is counter-revolutionary despair. Despair is the death of hope. The most extreme cases want to see the world burn.

I empathize with people who have tough situations to work through. I don't empathize that they change their worldview to be racist assholes as a result. It's not difficult to understand that forced kidnapping and labor along with physical beatings.are all shit things that people do.

This same guy will tell you that human trafficking and specifically child trafficking is wrong and that people who do it are the devil. But the majority slaves were non white....they don't count.

He's a racist piece of shit who needs to be told his perspective is ass backwards frequently. Holding his hand won't change his mind.

Also, this isn't his first forum trip......he doesn't get better over time.

 

[ll74]

I'm waiting for him to go "Full Desantis" and start referring to slavery as "extended comprehensive job training programs".

That happened earlier in this thread, for the most part.

 

[bijedi]

But again, the left has to come up with the answers to solving society's problems. If the left fails, then it feeds right-wing reaction. And what we see is the so-called "left" almost everywhere supporting the globalist corporations and imperialist wars. Hillary Clinton was up to her eyeballs in imperialist wars and supporting corporations, and called people "deplorables", acted surprised when she lost, and then blamed it on "Russia" with no introspection of her actions or what she had done wrong.

I don't know about you, but I ready plenty of interviews with Hillary where she acknowledged many of the errors she and her campaign made (included calling out the deplorables, even if she was correct). She may not have acknowledged all of the mistakes you thought she made, but it wasn't just all blamed on "Russia".

Of course she also put some of the blame on Russia's illegal interference. And she is not wrong to do so, it has been pretty conclusively proven that they did actively work against her campaign and it did have an effect. It is not the only, or even the primary, reason for her defeat but to brush it aside as inconsequential is wrong.

Even now, those Democrats and Republicans blaming Donald Trump will never look inwards at themselves and how they act and behave. Millions of Americans know this, and identify with Trump's rage at the "swamp". Trump would sell out all of Capitol Hill and the big business class if it would help the Trump brand and his own power. Why isn't the left articulating anti-establishment feeling and is instead looking like the representative of the establishment?

There are plenty on the left that are articulating on the left that are articulating many anti-establishment feelings. But in a representative democracy, being a small but loud faction isn't going to be able to effect significant change. Lasting change requires building coalitions and working towards goals over time. Look at how the right was able to overturn Roe v. Wade. And that isn't already turning into pyrrhic victory for them. The real problem facing the left is that they aren't willing to work for the change they want. They want immediate results from a system that is designed to frustrate attempts at drastic change. And when they don't get the results right now, they take their ball and go home and we wind up taking two steps back after one step forward. They are too willing to let perfect being the enemy good.

Only socialism and class struggle can defeat fascism. WW2 showed that. It was the Red Army that smashed the Nazi war machine in Eastern Europe, to quote the conservative Churchill "tore the guts out of the German war machine". Most of the capitalist class (Churchill was in a minority, and FDR even more so) would have been looking for a compromise with fascism like the Vichy regime in France, who could remember revolutionary events like 1871, 1848, 1830, the Napoleonic era of 1799-1814 + 1815, and most of all the French Revolution of 1789-1794. The French ruling class in 1940 could remember such events, and so most of them came to a compromise with the Nazis, with only a minority like Charles de Gaulle going the French Resistance route.

Only socialism and class struggle can defeat Trumpism, for that matter. A Bernie Sanders like figure going up against Donald Trump would be a start.

And there it is. If we can't have perfect, we don't want good.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

It is amazing how leftists continue to believe they are so superior while showcasing their absolute inferiority constantly for the world to see.

You make a thread about my supposed “radicalization” in an attempt to try to learn how it happens and what I “really” think but when I give you everything you want to know you decide to read someone else’s bullshit writing instead.

This is why I say that leftists can’t be psychologists, because you obviously don’t want to learn about anything.

Such an angry trumptard. lol

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You leftists are fucking pathetic, a complete disgrace to humanity.

This very sentence is the distilled essence of your persona and your purpose here.

https://media.tenor.com/W43MYbzZBwoAAAAM/let-me-explain-steve-kornacki.gif

You are a right-wing personality cipher that was called up from the bench to fill in the hole that someone else vacated in order to perform against any and all progressive/left/Democrat viewpoints in this forum. You aren't the first and you won't be the last. Once you've exhausted your schtick, you will disappear like any other obsolete program and another cipher will take your place with the exact same grievances, gripes and grumblings, using a different "voice."

Your first post in this thread is prima facie evidence of this fact. Instead of discussing the topic, you attacked the thread starter and began hyperventilating in your subsequent posts because her thread threatened your purpose here. It is also evidence because you have no other origin point within this entire website outside of this specific forum. Concordantly, all future posts you make in this forum will follow, with some variations, the design purpose of the above quote.

These words I speak are not meant to insult your persona. Rather, it is a stated acknowledgement of what you are. You are recognized. What is unknown is the duration of your existence here, a length which has varied amongst all those who came before you. But it is inevitable that you will follow them down the same drainpipe. When that happens, whether it is a week from now or several months later, please send Bud Spencer my regards. I liked that schmuck, he was a virtual geyser of hilarity.

I am just typing the way I would talk to someone in public every day.

No, you would never talk to someone like this in public on any day. Not with the words, "You leftists are fucking pathetic, a complete disgrace to humanity."

to a proclaimed Leftist in their face? Directly? In front of them surrounded by other people who are presumably other Leftists?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/bI4ge1o6mcuBmGvstK/200w.gif?cid=6c09b95251b94vi1cuk36i0eupeuyrrm7pzkcwya2jufak12&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

You (and other likewise right-wing schmucks) are here in this very (progressive and liberal) online space because you can't talk to someone else in public this way. If you could do so, you wouldn't have a purpose to be here in the first place.

 

[icanhelp1]

This very sentence is the distilled essence of your persona and your purpose here.

https://media.tenor.com/W43MYbzZBwoAAAAM/let-me-explain-steve-kornacki.gif

You are a right-wing personality cipher that was called up from the bench to fill in the hole that someone else vacated in order to perform against any and all progressive/left/Democrat viewpoints in this forum. You aren't the first and you won't be the last. Once you've exhausted your schtick, you will disappear like any other obsolete program and another cipher will take your place with the exact same grievances, gripes and grumblings, using a different "voice."

Your first post in this thread is prima facie evidence of this fact. Instead of discussing the topic, you attacked the thread starter and began hyperventilating in your subsequent posts because her thread threatened your purpose here. It is also evidence because you have no other origin point within this entire website outside of this specific forum. Concordantly, all future posts you make in this forum will follow, with some variations, the design purpose of the above quote.

These words I speak are not meant to insult your persona. Rather, it is a stated acknowledgement of what you are. You are recognized. What is unknown is the duration of your existence here, a length which has varied amongst all those who came before you. But it is inevitable that you will follow them down the same drainpipe. When that happens, whether it is a week from now or several months later, please send Bud Spencer my regards. I liked that schmuck, he was a virtual geyser of hilarity.


No, you would never talk to someone like this in public on any day. Not with the words, "You leftists are fucking pathetic, a complete disgrace to humanity."

to a proclaimed Leftist in their face? Directly? In front of them surrounded by other people who are presumably other Leftists?

https://media0.giphy.com/media/bI4ge1o6mcuBmGvstK/200w.gif?cid=6c09b95251b94vi1cuk36i0eupeuyrrm7pzkcwya2jufak12&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

You (and other likewise right-wing schmucks) are here in this very (progressive and liberal) online space because you can't talk to someone else in public this way. If you could do so, you wouldn't have a purpose to be here in the first place.

A taste of leftist propaganda

 

[RoryN]

Kudos, BrightShinyGirl. You've triggered the right Deplorables so far with this thread.

 

[RoryN]

You don’t go from watching Barney and Friends and thinking the world is a wonderful place where everyone loves everyone to reading extremely racist comments about people who look like you without being changed pretty significantly. That was the catalyst that started my pro white journey.

1. So, you went from Barney to white supremacy? That...sort of makes sense.

2. "Pro-white journey" is one of the dumbest phrases I've seen posted on the PB this year. Impressive.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Slaveowners weren’t usually bad people but slavery itself was horrible.

As a young still Christian boy at the time I couldn’t believe someone would call another person a “devil”, I thought it was a name that black people only called slaveowners for some reason but then they started calling white people in the modern day devils and started gloating about declining birth rates and I started to realize how racist black people could be.

No, slave owners were universally bad people. This not a debatable point. Evil doesn't become good because everybody is doing it and good does not become evil because nobody is doing it. Abolitionists were a thing, not just in the states but in the "West". Lots of our Constitution is to varying degrees about holding slavery in place. Many things didn't have a single reason for being part of the goal but.

If you were a young Christian under 7 as you claim who couldn't believe someone would call another person a devil. Something you thought only black people called slaveowners. They were gloating about declining birthrates? You must have been around THE MOST HIGHLY EDUCATED BLACK PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. I didn't have the internet when I was 7 and if you lived in a world there is no way in hell you were aware of that terminology, first time I've heard devil as a white specific slur but I'll take your word for it. Nobody knew about birth rates certainly not in America, Canada and the European (including Russia which is mostly in Asia. . .) nobody had access to that information. For someone who claims your smarter than anybody else here you sure are fucking stupid.

This is why I say that leftists can’t be psychologists, because you obviously don’t want to learn about anything.

Here's the two fold problem. Psychology isn't just about book smarts its about emotional intelligence. My book smarts or at least knowing where to look for data I need is damn good and will usually give me what I need. You lack that almost entirely.

Even my own family knows that if we're being polite "somewhere on the autistic spectrum" of not quite getting what you're on about. On a less polite day I'm a bit sociopathic and I genuinely can't understand other people's feelings, I just do what I would argue are sheer mathematic equations and people are easy for me to read. I didn't look into your eyes and know I could trust you. I watched you talk to Bob and Bob can't lie.

Regardless your argument that Leftist can't be psychologists is based entirely on the fact that you are not an information based person. Your story doesn't hold very long.

When I am telling you that it started after reading a black supremacist site at 7 years old then you should probably understand what that actually means. You don’t go from watching Barney and Friends and thinking the world is a wonderful place where everyone loves everyone to reading extremely racist comments about people who look like you without being changed pretty significantly. That was the catalyst that started my pro white journey.

See your time line doesn't line up. Someone today at the BEST would have called your mother a 'White Dev Devil' View attachment 2265614

Nobody actually does that bullshit however. If your story holds even a grain of truth your mother is terrible. She would have been SO much better off leaving alone in a room an issue of Penthouse, an old t-shirt and some baby oil and told your obviously absentee father that someone needed to have a serious talk with you because if not you were gonna be a menace as an adult.

The thing is my core wants to believe you're just a troll. Because twenty years or so I used to think people online were just fucking trolls. That nobody was this evil. People online would say things they would say or support in real life. Over the last 16 year of so I've seen the TEA Party that magically showed up right when it looked like Obama was gonna win and the Birthers were just behind that. Spent a decade following Trump claiming Obama couldn't be President. . .then get the sons of bitches off the field. Anybody else able to see the through line?

That's you, except trump uses better lies than you do. Cus you keep claiming whites will be a minority with zero representation soon. You also claim that mixed children have problems. Which is false. But the ONLY way you won't be a "majority" is if you do the exact same thing the slave owners did. A single drop of black blood makes you black. You probably aren't white. You should do a 23 and Me. Seeing how we know when Vikings came to the states I hope like hell that nobody finds out you have Neandertal and Native American and maybe even a moor over a thousand years ago on one side of your blood line is anything but inbred.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

A taste of leftist propaganda

A taste (one of many) of rightist fucktardery

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695810783156785542

 

[Bray123]

When I am telling you that it started after reading a black supremacist site at 7 years old then you should probably understand what that actually means. You don’t go from watching Barney and Friends and thinking the world is a wonderful place where everyone loves everyone to reading extremely racist comments about people who look like you without being changed pretty significantly. That was the catalyst that started my pro white journey.

You say that as if being on the wrong side of a racist society is an unpleasant thing. It's much better being on the 'correct' side.

 

[Bray123]

You are on the side of the black supremacists. You are very much on the wrong side.

I'm on the side of equality. That's the point.

You are a racist piece of shit.

 

[Bray123]

Nope, you are just a useful idiot for those who wish to destroy everything good.

Racist piece of shit said what?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Years later after deciding that the internet wasn’t completely worthless after all I decided that I could use it to talk to completely random people and help to overcome some of my social difficulties as a kid, so I decided to talk to people on their blogs and I decided to mostly talk to older black people because some of the only people I could talk to were older people who were usually white and I wanted to change that up a bit. For the most part talking to older black people was like talking to older white people but I was raised in a conservative Republican household so eventually their political views irritated me and I just had to debate them and that didn’t work out that well because they thought I was debating more than just policies because I was still socially awkward online. Later I got the idea that if I talked to multiple black people at the same time then maybe one of them would understand what I was trying to say and the conversations would last longer that way so I decided to go to a now defunct forum called Topix afam(African American) where I spent a few years honing my online social skills and making it a lot easier on myself to talk to people in public. A few years later and I was accepted by most people on the forum as a member except by the black supremacist original members that basically started the first threads on the site and eventually I started seeing threads entitled: “Ask a Stormfront member anything”. I had no clue what a white nationalist was or what Stormfront was but they were mostly not very kind to even some of my favorite people on the forum so I decided that these people were ruining the forum and I was determined to kick them off; that is until I realized that I wasn’t receiving any gratitude for doing this and the black supremacists were still posting their lunatic anti-white conspiracy threads with pretty widespread support so I decided to stop going easy on the black supremacists and the forum quickly turned on me after that. After being hated by most of the afam forum when the more friendly posters left I decided to go to YouTube and on YouTube I eventually saw a video of an Oprah show where she had Jared Taylor on and in the comment section of the video I saw a comment that said “Jared Taylor is the greatest white nationalist ever”, so I asked this person what a white nationalist was and what they said didn’t seem to conflict with what my beliefs were so eventually I started calling myself a white nationalist and following people who also called themselves this while fighting with proto Antifa people in the DMs(back when YouTube had actual accounts). Eventually I remembered those Stormfront guys also called themselves white nationalists so now that I called myself a white nationalist as well I naturally figured I should go over there and join even more of them and that is what I did. When I got to Stormfront I quickly learned there were 2 kinds of people there, those who were like me who wanted to do something to help fix white people’s problems and those who just wanted to live in the past and talk shit about other races without helping anything. At first I was most fascinated by the women’s section because it really seemed like they were building families to grow a true community online and they would work together without much conflict as a team while the men mostly argued about everything. But eventually Stormfront got an opposing views section and I decided I should mostly stay there to argue with people who weren’t pro white because I didn’t want to start something with people I mostly agreed with. A few years later threads started popping up all over talking about “the mantra” and it seemed interesting so I followed the white rabbit radio YouTube channel with Horus and after watching a few videos I realized that this was something I fully understood and fully agreed with so that was when I became a full blown white nationalist and I have been more or less that person for 12 years now.

Now we’re getting somewhere! Let me try to summarize. You were raised in a racist household, and when you went online as a child, you went to black forums and trolled them. When the adults pushed back, you decided they were “black supremacists”. After the members of the black forum got fed up with your racist trolling, you learned about white nationalism from YouTube comments, and decided it fit your views. That led you to Stormfront where you found a community of kindred spirits. You’d developed a taste for arguing online so mostly spent your time on Stormfront debating people who were opposed to your white nationalist views. You were further radicalized by watching white supremacist YouTube videos. Now this is a narrative I believe! Thank you for being so open and honest.

 

[Dribble]

Nazism is not the problem. Fascism is the problem. Focusing on one symptom does not cure the disease

 

[VinnyVeritas]

It’s rare to be able to put a white supremacist under the microscope and inspect his preoccupations and grievances.

The impression I’m getting is of a man in his mid-30s whose life has gone off track and he can’t figure out why.

The answer can’t be himself, so it must be some shadowy other like the Jews. Or the blacks. Or the Jews and the blacks.

Only by displacing the ego wound he can regain his sense of being the hero of his personal narrative. He’s no longer a pathetic loser, he’s a tragic victim, unfairly ground down because of his white skin.

For disaffected young men like him, Nazism is a seductive siren song. The original Nazis were ego vampires feeding off the wounds of a generation of German men who couldn’t get over losing the Great War.

I’m not sure where I’m going with this. I guess I’m just hoping for a conversation about how radicalization like this can be nipped in the bud.

Catering to Nazis only emboldens them, but there must be some way to deprogram them

Human nature is a bell curve and cannot be abrogated.

What happens in the tips at either end of that curve should be ignored.

White supremacy is a mythical boogeyman that is used by non-achievers to abrogate their life's disappointments.

Similarly, white "suprematist" trash blames "the rich" for all of their problems.

Everyone feels better with finger pointed.
Three fingers point back.
Life lesson #837.