Serious question to Trump voters

[ll74]

It makes you wonder why slavery started in the first place if it was so obviously wrong….

Because people are pieces of shit.

It’s almost like it wasn’t obvious and once it started it was a lot harder to get rid of than you can imagine.

Kidnapping and forcing people to do labor has always been obviously shitty.

Again with leftists not understanding context.

You want there to be something that is ok about slavery. There is nothing ok about slavery. Kidnapping and exploiting people has always been a horrible thing to do.

And people were horrible for allowing it to happen.

 

[bijedi]

John Brown knew that slavery was evil in the 1840s. Not everyone alive back then accepted the lie that slavery was proper and normal.

Enslavers have always know that slavery is immoral and evil. That is why they have always resorted to denying the humanity of those they were enslaving. From ancient Egyptians to Old Testament Israelites to Romans to American Plantations, the refrain is always the same. Those that are enslaved are not quite as human as those doing the enslaving. Every time. They know, they just need the slimmest of justifications so they can ignore it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

It makes you wonder why slavery started in the first place if it was so obviously wrong….\

Slavery has it's history far before the South. It is tens of thousands of years old. It wasn't right then, and it isn't right today.

It’s almost like it wasn’t obvious and once it started it was a lot harder to get rid of than you can imagine.

Taking adavantage of people and situations is easy, which is why slavery exists, even today.

Again with leftists not understanding context.

"leftist", as soon as a person uses that word, you know they are just full of shit.

 

[RobDownSouth]

That is completely wrong. Abolition was it’s own thing, it did not come with calls for integration.

That's obvious, given how long the doctrine of "Separate But Equal" was de facto policy in the southern United States.

 

[ll74]

Understanding the logic behind the creation of slavery and its persistence through human existence is not the same thing as looking for something good about it or trying to justify why it was viable.

The logic is that a person wants to exploit workers for more money.

That's it. They want someone else to do their work for free and they get the money.

You're the one trying to justify it being ok.

"They did it because society...."

Fuck off

 

[ll74]

But yah, the north slave owners were better than the south slave owners because they gave their slaves an extra bathroom break

 

[RobDownSouth]

That was the policy of the entire country, that is what a nation-state is.

America was to be a pan European state with freedom of religion, not the world’s colony like it is today.

The founders would never agree to integration regardless of whether they were an abolitionist or not.

I've got a fairly good grasp of history, but for the life of me I can't seem to recall "Jim Crow" laws enacted outside of the South. Can you enlighten me, perhaps?

 

[ll74]

Which slave masters did so well prefer, north or south?

 

[Pad_Foot]

ok.. I'm done reading his drivel.

He is about to justify "Replacement Theory"

 

[jomar]

Y'all know that's BotTurd, right?

Audrey, PlantBoi, BoBo, Cornpone whatever name you know it by.

QueanKing? Does have a scent, but more measured. Time will tell. If the histrionics and words mean things emerges we’ll know for sure.

 

[DeluxAuto]

QuenKing reminds of the KoreanQueen.

 

[ll74]

Oh no, not replacement theory.

Not a 100% verifiable fact that the left is completely responsible for across the entire western world.

Shocker

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Oh no, not replacement theory.

Not a 100% verifiable fact that the left is completely responsible for across the entire western world.

I’ve lost track of what you’re talking about. What is the left completely responsible for across the entire western world?

 

[ll74]

What is a shocker is that the same idiots who say that say black people are oppressed in this country because a literal handful of black people are killed by the police in millions of traffic stops think it is somehow unacceptable to use demographic data and social trends from America, Canada, all over Europe, Australia, South Africa etc to prove that the “humanitarian” left are a bunch of psychopaths who treat white people like shit and have inarguably completely destroyed dozens of European and European derived cultures.

Remember when I talked about England destroying Ireland? Well, leftists have done more damage to Ireland than England ever did. The Irish will soon hate leftist cult members far than they hate the British.

Sounds like you have a lot of grievancePorn

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The complete destruction of European derived cultures and populations.

Can you give me an example? Because it seems to me European culture is still dominant in the U.S. and Europe.

 

[Sean Renaud]

European culture is so dominant that we don't even pretend there are people here who aren't European by origin. The population will eventually be assimilated but that's something we're talking about at least a hundred years out.

 

[YDB95]

If leftists were actually intelligent they wouldn’t demonize the South while also demonizing the North for not being a strong enough contrast to the South and trying to pull bullshit like saying the 3/5ths compromise was a horrible thing denying the humanity of slaves on the North’s part.

If your point is that most Northerners of the 18th century were racists by today's standards too, that's true. But for a guy who loves to accuse his opponents of missing context, you're amazingly good at that yourself.

They wouldn’t be destroying statues of northerners who didn’t believe in integration(which was a batshit crazy idea at the time even to abolitionists) or removing statues of black slaves thanking Lincoln for freeing them or destroying statues of confederate soldiers who never saw a slave in their life that merely fought in the war as a warrior and a local hero etc.

I'm sure you've got examples of all of the above. (I don't see the problem in the last case; they may not have owned slaves, but they were still fighting for other people's right to do so.)

When you say that the North was far from perfect you are proving my point about not understanding context. And saying that it should have been zero is stupid as hell and would make black people today hate the North more than they already do for the 3/5th compromise. Black people today literally think that the North considered them as 3/5ths of a human(because they have no context), imagine if they said zero what they would think if the South actually agreed to that.

How do you know what Black people today think? Oh wait, because Thomas Sowell told you. Riiiiiight.
In any event, the three fifths compromise had nothing whatsoever to do with what anyone thought of whether or not slaves were human. The issue at hand was, should slaves count as citizens for the purpose of determining a state's population given that they would never be allowed to vote? Higher population meant more representatives in Congress, so of course the slaveholding states wanted them all to count. In other words, the South wanted to have its cake and eat it too, whereas the North rightly wanted only those who could vote to count towards Congressional representation. Neither side was advocating for slaves to actually get a vote, so Black Americans have good reason not to be too fond of any of the founding fathers. But given the choice between using their presence to enable more representation for the folks who thought they should be property or not, I think the choice is pretty clear. There's some context for you.

Outside of England the North at that time had the most anti slavery views in the world and it wasn’t even a close 2nd, expecting the North to be even more “progressive” for that time period is asinine. Hell, even the South was fairly progressive compared to the world at large and that is why you shouldn’t demonize them all that much either.

The key word being "at that time". By the time the Civil War rolled around, well, there's a reason why slavery was known as the "peculiar institution" in the South. (It IS true that every major European power except Russia supported the South because they wanted their cheap cotton - something I never miss a chance to remind my European friends of when they get on their high horse about how racist Americans are - but to say they actually supported slavery just is not true.)

Slaves are people before slavery so therefore they are still people during slavery, that is more or less how the North viewed the situation. The South low key also viewed slaves as people but they knew that the North did consider them people worthy of representation regardless so that is why they said the slaves should count.

No. The South wanted slaves to count because it would have given them more representation in Congress, nothing more or less.

As for black people thinking that the North and the South both didn’t consider them people, they are just wrong. They are filled with a sense of vengeance or victimhood or hate. The reality is that black slaves in America at that time were considered people more than the Irish were considered people by the English.

Even if that were true, it's irrelevant to the issue of how Black Americans were viewed by their fellow Americans. For that matter, I'm not even sure it really matters whether or not Southerners viewed them as human beings when they also viewed them as property with no rights of their own.

America was to be a pan European state with freedom of religion, not the world’s colony like it is today.

Exactly how are we lacking in freedom of religion today?

The founders would never agree to integration regardless of whether they were an abolitionist or not.

I have never heard a more eloquent argument against originalism. Rightguide, are you reading?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Where the hell are you getting that the US currently has any visible European influence whatsoever? Cultureless self hating white people who are barely the majority=//= dominant European culture.

Can you honestly tell me that LA is a European looking city? Even when it was built it was nothing like Europe. You have to go pretty far back for any of our cities to look European and certainly not on the west coast.

As for Europe itself, just take a look around any major city in any European country and tell me that the host culture is thriving there or surviving in any way. They are trying to “decolonize” Europe right now, aka get rid of its actual identity.

By that absurd standard there is no such animal as a European looking city. Venice doesn't look like London, Paris, Munich Russia yadda yadda yadda.

I don't see many if any self hating whites. In fact they are so in love with themselves that they actively do harm to minorities. Decolonize means get rid of its identity. What identity can all Europeans claim aside from being majority white?

 

[YDB95]

What identity can all Europeans claim aside from being majority white?

After living in Europe myself for a couple of years and in a group house in DC with mostly Europeans for a while before that, I can answer that: they don't even try. The era of slaughtering each other once a generation may be over, but they still don't like each other any too much.

 

[Sean Renaud]

After living in Europe myself for a couple of years and in a group house in DC with mostly Europeans for a while before that, I can answer that: they don't even try. The era of slaughtering each other once a generation may be over, but they still don't like each other any too much.

That's always the image I've had. Their buildings are different, cuisine, music everything.

 

[Lazaran]

The Irish still hate the English, so it's not surprising that many Americans whose ancestors were imprisoned in forced labor camps in the south might hold a grudge.

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And it was quite a bit more than just the forced labor.

Rape, family separation, torture, murder, and basic dehumanization would be at the top of my list for why “slavery is bad”.

*nods*

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Where the hell are you getting that the US currently has any visible European influence whatsoever? Cultureless self hating white people who are barely the majority=//= dominant European culture.

Can you honestly tell me that LA is a European looking city? Even when it was built it was nothing like Europe. You have to go pretty far back for any of our cities to look European and certainly not on the west coast.

As for Europe itself, just take a look around any major city in any European country and tell me that the host culture is thriving there or surviving in any way. They are trying to “decolonize” Europe right now, aka get rid of its actual identity.

Now I'm more baffled than ever. What makes a city "European-looking"? Do you just mean lots of white people?

L.A. certainly has a lot of ethnicities other than northern European. I live in a predominantly Persian area near a Japanese area. There are lots of other Asians, lots of Jews, lots of blacks, lots of Hispanics from an assortment of Central American countries. It's great! The melting pot at its best!

Everyone speaks English though. If you want old European culture, you can watch a performance of Wagner at the opera, or view roman antiquities at the Getty.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Where the hell in LA do you live where everybody speaks English. I'm out here in Fontana and MOST people speak English. If I go out to Ontario most people speak English but for many of them that's their second language and their English is trash.

 

[ll74]

My point is that your idea of what the North was or stood for is a fantasy. The North would despise the left and most of the right in this country today every bit as much as the South would and they are the real embodiment of America, not you.

The north won the war. May want to update your records.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Where the hell in LA do you live where everybody speaks English. I'm out here in Fontana and MOST people speak English. If I go out to Ontario most people speak English but for many of them that's their second language and their English is trash.

I'm on the west side, which by L.A. standards is pretty anglo. When I say everybody speaks English, I don't mean as their primary language. I mean I've never had to dust off my rusty Spanish to talk to anyone.