Do you own your body?

[Dribble]

Lesson 1 in politics.

If we add 10 million Democratic and 0 Republican voters to the California political process...what changes? Nothing. Presidents are elected by the Electoral College. Senators are already Democrats. There are not enough Democratic voters in regions represented by Republicans in the House to defeat them.

Let's look at a State that is closely contended. Georgia. The Abrams Effect. What if we add 10 million Democratic and 0 Republican voter to this political climate. What changes? Maybe you end up with a Democratic Governor...but that's it. Nothing else changes. Why is this?

Now, let's apply this to a Republican held State. Ohio. Can it flip? No. Why not? Because where are you gonna get more Democratic voters from? Existing conclaves. They are already sending Democrats to represent them. So the key...isn't about increasing the voters out there is it? It is about having a policy that attracts those voters.

The solution isn't about apathetic voters. It isn't. Their lives don't change.

The stupid...want to celebrate this. Yet...will Ohio still vote Republican in the Presidential Race? Yes. Even if it is Trump? Yes. Will we gain a Senator from Ohio? No. Will we gain a Representive from Ohio...possibly.

Now...where are most Laws determined...at the State or Federal level? Come on...you all can answer this. State. So what changes at the State level? Nothing. People want to celebrate protecting a woman's right to choose...yet...why was that right lost? And now you want to celebrate? Minor victories? After losing a major battle? You don't even move the line. Why? All that will happen...is abortion will still be illegal after 6 weeks except in the case of rape and where the woman's health is endangered. Is abortion gonna be legal after November? Not from what I read. Only under specialized cases. So...under the Democrats...we lost a right...and will celebrate a small victory...not regaining the right. How many decades will it take? 5? 6? Are you sure?

Change happens when a Party says enough...and people fall into lines behind them. Do you see the Democrats saying enough is enough? Or do you see them saying look at what the Republicans are doing...vote for us. That is the difference. We are where we are because we are reactive. This hasn't changed

 

[Dribble]

I'm not moving the goal posts. We have made progress. And we will continue to do so. Converting someone just means having a discussion and pointing out differences between parties. Your discussion doesn't do that. Nobody is convinced by your whining.

There is no difference between parties when it comes to the disillusioned and disenfranchised voter. None. THAT is the issue.

 

[ll74]

There is no difference between parties when it comes to the disillusioned and disenfranchised voter. None. THAT is the issue.

That will convince them!

 

[adrina]

The voter TURNOUT of EXSTING voters AGAINST a policy not for one. Not rocket science

You mean the existing voters that usually sit out primaries and special elections.

For the math challenged (you) special and primaries are lucky to see a 15% registered voter turnout (less than 10% eligible). Ohio more than doubled turnout.

Just cuz you hate me or whatever dumbass axe it is you're grinding, your idiocy doesn't diminish or alter the reality that voting matters. And moreso that if people show up to vote things can be accomplished.

Regardless of how much of a bitter nihilist you want to be.

 

[Dribble]

You mean the existing voters that usually sit out primaries and special elections.

For the math challenged (you) special and primaries are lucky to see a 15% registered voter turnout (less than 10% eligible). Ohio more than doubled turnout.

Just cuz you hate me or whatever dumbass axe it is you're grinding, your idiocy doesn't diminish or alter the reality that voting matters. And moreso that if people show up to vote things can be accomplished.

Regardless of how much of a bitter nihilist you want to be.

Again...do your research.

You want to claim this as a victory...yet...no evidence of that other than both sides...Republicans and Democrats...didn't like this. Remember Occum's Razor. Don't create fancy explanations when you can't eliminate the simplest explanation.

I was born and raised in Ohio. This is not the first time Republicans have tried this tactic. Tell me princess...what happened with those other attempts? Why did they fail then? Last time this was attempted, Roe was still in place. Why was it defeated then if Roe was the reason it was defeated this time?

 

[adrina]

You mean to say that people, regardless of party, voted - in greater numbers than normal by a large margin - had their voices heard.

Ya don't say. Crazy how that works.

In the meantime I wish you good fortune in removing the rather large cactus lodged in your posterior.

 

[AchtungNight]

God gave me O+ infant compatible blood. Wish I could still donate it regularly. Damn hypertension and impatience with repetitive questionnaires!

 

[adrina]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4146352-gop-alarms-go-off-after-ohio-abortion-vote/

GOP alarms go off after Ohio abortion vote​

“It shows that abortion continues to be a very tricky subject for Republicans post Roe reversal,” said a Senate Republican strategist, citing the public backlash to the decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, which established the constitutional right to abortion.

“Independent college-educated women, even those who lean to the right, are breaking in a way that they never have on the abortion issue. Before the Roe reversal, independent right-leaning women were almost a lock for Republicans but now it’s not so clear,” the strategist added.

“The centrist and center-right women in the suburbs, they are breaking in a different way than they ever have in the past. This was a very tricky issue for Republicans in the 2022 midterm, and it’s obviously a very tricky issue for Republicans in an off-year awkwardly timed election like we saw in Ohio,” the source added.

“Abortion persists as a major mobilizing and motivating issue and persuasion issue. We saw record high turnout in Ohio, it was a little over 3 million,” said Celinda Lake, a prominent Democratic pollster.

“We saw mobilization of voters that hadn’t even voted in 2022. In the early vote alone, there were 30,000 voters who voted in [Tuesday’s] election that hadn’t voted in 2022 and they were largely women and African American women,” she said.

Lake said there was a “19-point shift” compared to the 2020 election, when Trump defeated Joe Biden, 53 percent to 45 percent, and the shift “was really across the board.”

 

[ll74]

https://thehill.com/homenews/4146352-gop-alarms-go-off-after-ohio-abortion-vote/

GOP alarms go off after Ohio abortion vote​

The issue wasn't an abortion issue. It was a Constitutional amendment issue. Voters in Ohio could see through the bullshit.

The entire state Republican party in legislation right now has been full of shit from day 1 and for the last few years. They all need to be shown the door and replaced.

 

[adrina]

The issue wasn't an abortion issue. It was a Constitutional amendment issue. Voters in Ohio could see through the bullshit.

The entire state Republican party in legislation right now has been full of shit from day 1 and for the last few years. They all need to be shown the door and replaced.

That's not really an accurate statement. The measure and special election was called for by the republican legislature specifically to address the abortion right constitutional amendment for the next general election. So far support has been at about 57%. There's a reason they were aiming for 60% instead of the simple majority as it stands now.

It was straight forward overt attempt by republicans to stop that constitutional amendment for abortion rights from passing.

 

[ll74]

That's not really an accurate statement. The measure and special election was called for by the republican legislature specifically to address the abortion right constitutional amendment for the next general election. So far support has been at about 57%. There's a reason they were aiming for 60% instead of the simple majority as it stands now.

It was straight forward overt attempt by republicans to stop that constitutional amendment for abortion rights from passing.

I just meant the actual amendment itself. Yes, I'm aware they created it to fend off the Abortion issue in November, but it truly was all about future amendments and Ohioans didn't want to give up that right just for one singular issue.

 

[adrina]

I just meant the actual amendment itself. Yes, I'm aware they created it to fend off the Abortion issue in November, but it truly was all about future amendments and Ohioans didn't want to give up that right just for one singular issue.

Yes it would play into the future and I do believe that played a roll, but considering the shift among conservative women and the increased voter turnout of women it is safe to say that abortion was far more motivating than the process of constitutional amendments.

And it can't be forgotten that 43% voted for. I'm waiting to see the demographic breakdown, but I feel very safe in betting that over 75% of conservative men voted yes on measure 1. Just because of abortion.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1689487011000770560

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1690420982295506945

 

[YDB95]

Let's look at a State that is closely contended. Georgia. The Abrams Effect. What if we add 10 million Democratic and 0 Republican voter to this political climate. What changes? Maybe you end up with a Democratic Governor...but that's it. Nothing else changes. Why is this?

"Maybe"? WIth 10 million more Democratic votes in a state that's currently 50:50? Give me a break.

Now, let's apply this to a Republican held State. Ohio. Can it flip? No. Why not? Because where are you gonna get more Democratic voters from? Existing conclaves. They are already sending Democrats to represent them. So the key...isn't about increasing the voters out there is it? It is about having a policy that attracts those voters.

It's not just that, but yes, that's part of it.

The solution isn't about apathetic voters. It isn't. Their lives don't change.

Except that they have changed since Roe was overturned. A lot of voters supported abortion rights but also fell for the Republican nonsense about tax cuts for the rich somehow being good for the economy, and hey, they didn't think Roe would ever fall. Now that it has, that's a game changer.

The stupid...want to celebrate this. Yet...will Ohio still vote Republican in the Presidential Race? Yes. Even if it is Trump? Yes. Will we gain a Senator from Ohio? No. Will we gain a Representive from Ohio...possibly.

Erm...there already is a Democratic senator from Ohio, and he's facing a tough re-election next year. So yes, this was genuinely good news. Also, you say "even if it is Trump," but if anything, that would increase the GOP's chances of carrying Ohio thanks to the hidden deplorable vote. If the Republicans nominate a garden-variety Republican like Asa Hutchinson or Chris Christie, at least some of them will stay home. If it's Tim Scott or Nikki Haley, they'll all stay home or vote third party.

But that's all really beside the point. The issue here was not how Ohio will vote for President or Senate. The issue was, would the voters support a naked power-grab by Republicans in general, and specifically an effort to stop them from enshrining abortion rights in the state constitution even if a majority supported as much? The answer, by a wide margin, was no. That's good news, and it's beyond me why you can't have a nice day about it.

Now...where are most Laws determined...at the State or Federal level? Come on...you all can answer this. State. So what changes at the State level? Nothing.

That's a good thing, Dribble. If the Republicans had had their way, it would have become a lot harder for progressives to get much of anything on the ballot, and next to impossible to pass it even with solid majority support. That did not happen, and specifically it did not happen three months before the voters of Ohio vote on keeping their state in the 21st century when it comes to reproductive rights.

People want to celebrate protecting a woman's right to choose...yet...why was that right lost?

I've already answered that above: because a lot of pro-choice voters let themselves be fooled into thinking they could have their cake and eat it too. But that's beside the point here.

And now you want to celebrate? Minor victories? After losing a major battle? You don't even move the line. Why? All that will happen...is abortion will still be illegal after 6 weeks except in the case of rape and where the woman's health is endangered.

Until November, anyway. Rather than whining about the status quo, what are you doing to get out the vote in favor of changing that?

Is abortion gonna be legal after November? Not from what I read.

It took me less than a minute on Google to learn otherwise:
A "yes" vote supports amending the Ohio Constitution to:

• establish a state constitutional right to "make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions," including decisions about abortion, contraception, fertility treatment, miscarriage care, and continuing pregnancy;
• prohibit the state of Ohio from interfering with this constitutional right, except when the state demonstrates "that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual's health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care;"
• allow the state to restrict abortion after fetal viability, defined as "the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient's treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures;" and
• prohibit the state of Ohio from banning abortion when, in the professional judgment of a physician, an abortion "is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health."

Only under specialized cases. So...under the Democrats...we lost a right...and will celebrate a small victory...not regaining the right. How many decades will it take? 5? 6? Are you sure?

If you know anyone from Ohio, there's something you can do to help change that in three months. Heck, Dribble, I know some Ohio voters and have been making sure they know what's what, and I live in Australia. Stop whining and start letting your friends know about this.

Change happens when a Party says enough...and people fall into lines behind them. Do you see the Democrats saying enough is enough?

Yes, I do. Ohio is a red state and that's not going to change overnight. But this is a battle we can win. If you can bother to do your part.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1691122694744428552

https://twitter.com/x/status/1691108777523900417

https://twitter.com/x/status/1691071510176296960

 

[icanhelp1]

"Maybe"? WIth 10 million more Democratic votes in a state that's currently 50:50? Give me a break.

It's not just that, but yes, that's part of it.

Except that they have changed since Roe was overturned. A lot of voters supported abortion rights but also fell for the Republican nonsense about tax cuts for the rich somehow being good for the economy, and hey, they didn't think Roe would ever fall. Now that it has, that's a game changer.

Erm...there already is a Democratic senator from Ohio, and he's facing a tough re-election next year. So yes, this was genuinely good news. Also, you say "even if it is Trump," but if anything, that would increase the GOP's chances of carrying Ohio thanks to the hidden deplorable vote. If the Republicans nominate a garden-variety Republican like Asa Hutchinson or Chris Christie, at least some of them will stay home. If it's Tim Scott or Nikki Haley, they'll all stay home or vote third party.

But that's all really beside the point. The issue here was not how Ohio will vote for President or Senate. The issue was, would the voters support a naked power-grab by Republicans in general, and specifically an effort to stop them from enshrining abortion rights in the state constitution even if a majority supported as much? The answer, by a wide margin, was no. That's good news, and it's beyond me why you can't have a nice day about it.


That's a good thing, Dribble. If the Republicans had had their way, it would have become a lot harder for progressives to get much of anything on the ballot, and next to impossible to pass it even with solid majority support. That did not happen, and specifically it did not happen three months before the voters of Ohio vote on keeping their state in the 21st century when it comes to reproductive rights.

I've already answered that above: because a lot of pro-choice voters let themselves be fooled into thinking they could have their cake and eat it too. But that's beside the point here.

Until November, anyway. Rather than whining about the status quo, what are you doing to get out the vote in favor of changing that?


It took me less than a minute on Google to learn otherwise:
A "yes" vote supports amending the Ohio Constitution to:

• establish a state constitutional right to "make and carry out one’s own reproductive decisions," including decisions about abortion, contraception, fertility treatment, miscarriage care, and continuing pregnancy;
• prohibit the state of Ohio from interfering with this constitutional right, except when the state demonstrates "that it is using the least restrictive means to advance the individual's health in accordance with widely accepted and evidence-based standards of care;"
• allow the state to restrict abortion after fetal viability, defined as "the point in a pregnancy when, in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient's treating physician, the fetus has a significant likelihood of survival outside the uterus with reasonable measures;" and
• prohibit the state of Ohio from banning abortion when, in the professional judgment of a physician, an abortion "is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health."

If you know anyone from Ohio, there's something you can do to help change that in three months. Heck, Dribble, I know some Ohio voters and have been making sure they know what's what, and I live in Australia. Stop whining and start letting your friends know about this.

Yes, I do. Ohio is a red state and that's not going to change overnight. But this is a battle we can win. If you can bother to do your part.

Pro lifers aren't going to get what they want in Ohio. Republicans are going to have to hang their hat to win with late term abortion restriction which could sway a majority of women on the fence to the republican side. I think Biden's non-electibility and Trump's favorable status with the general election is going to make things dicey. I think Ohio stays red because of the economy, immigration and a drug crisis. Much remains to be seen regarding Biden's corruption scandal.

It will be interesting to see how a simple majority will affect abortion. Certainly appears pro choice wins.

 

[Lazaran]

Pro lifers aren't going to get what they want in Ohio. Republicans are going to have to hang their hat to win with late term abortion restriction which could sway a majority of women on the fence to the republican side. I think Biden's non-electibility and Trump's favorable status with the general election is going to make things dicey. I think Ohio stays red because of the economy, immigration and a drug crisis. Much remains to be seen regarding Biden's corruption scandal.

It will be interesting to see how a simple majority will affect abortion. Certainly appears pro choice wins.

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Republicans “win with late term abortion restrictions “???



PRESIDENT Biden’s “ non-electability”???



Biden’s corruption scandal???



ineedhelp1 (tRump’s water-boy

 

[adrina]

The term "late term abortion" just shows how much we don't trust and don't respect women.

 

[Lazaran]

The term "late term abortion" just shows how much we don't trust and don't respect women.

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It’s infuriating when idiots suggest some women are ELECTING to have a “late term abortion” just “for fun” / “because they feel like it.”

And that women’s reproductive health professionals are merrily going along and accommodating those women.

JFC

SAD!!!

 

[YDB95]

The term "late term abortion" just shows how much we don't trust and don't respect women.

•
It’s infuriating when idiots suggest some women are ELECTING to have a “late term abortion” just “for fun” / “because they feel like it.”

And that women’s reproductive health professionals are merrily going along and accommodating those women.

JFC

SAD!!!

The thing is, they know it's bullshit. They know there literally isn't a single known case of a woman ever getting an elective third-trimester abortion, anywhere, ever. They know when it does happen, it's always a wanted, anticipated pregnancy where something has gone horribly wrong. But it sounds disgusting and it makes low-information voters squeamish. That is what they care about.

 

[adrina]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/23/south-carolina-abortion-supreme-court-00112431

South Carolina’s new all-male highest court reverses course on abortion, upholding strict 6-week ban​

The 4-1 ruling departs from the court’s own decision earlier this year to strike down a similar law.

South Carolina’s new all-male Supreme Court reversed course on abortion on Wednesday, upholding a ban on most such procedures after about six weeks of pregnancy.
The 4-1 ruling departs from the court’s own decision earlier this year to strike down a similar law.
The continued erosion of legal abortion access across the U.S. South comes after Republican state lawmakers replaced the lone female on the court, Justice Kaye Hearn.


Writing for the new majority, Justice John Kittredge acknowledged that the 2023 law infringes on “a woman’s right of privacy and bodily autonomy,” but said the state legislature reasonably determined this time around that those interests don’t outweigh “the interest of the unborn child to live.”

Fetal slavery in North Carolina. Decreed by people with zero personal experience and against all sound medical advice.

 

[RandyRebecca]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/23/south-carolina-abortion-supreme-court-00112431

South Carolina’s new all-male highest court reverses course on abortion, upholding strict 6-week ban​

The 4-1 ruling departs from the court’s own decision earlier this year to strike down a similar law.



Fetal slavery in North Carolina. Decreed by people with zero personal experience and against all sound medical advice.

Along with Indiana illegalizing abortion.

 

[adrina]

https://apnews.com/article/mifepris...ll-genbiopro-cc0a4c462cbb543d9e5d28eebc161efe

West Virginia can restrict abortion pill sales, judge rules, despite FDA approval that it’s safe​

West Virginia can restrict the sale of the abortion pill, despite federal regulators’ approval of it as a safe and effective medication, a federal judge has ruled.

U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Chambers determined Thursday that the near-total abortion ban signed by Republican Gov. Jim Justice in September 2022 takes precedence over approvals from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

 

[butters]

https://apnews.com/article/mifepris...ll-genbiopro-cc0a4c462cbb543d9e5d28eebc161efe

West Virginia can restrict abortion pill sales, judge rules, despite FDA approval that it’s safe​

then it's down to virginians to make sure the republicans don't get re-elected and a new gov. signs an overturning of that bill