Biden partner Devon Archer testimony thread

[BabyBoomer50s]

Excellent questions for former President Obama and former Obama Secretary of State and current Biden climate envoy John Kerry raised by WSJ columnist James Freeman. It’s paywalled but here’s the key paragraph. Keep in mind that Kerry’s stepson, Chris Heinz, was a partner of Devon Archer at Rosemont Seneca. To his credit, Heinz smelled at rat at Burisma and strongly advised Archer not to join the board. As Secretary of State who gave a speech in Ukraine about his efforts to stop corruption in the country, it’s implausible that Kerry didn’t see a problem

One of the enduring questions about the Biden family’s lucrative exploitation of the office of the vice presidency has been why the Obama administration allowed them to get away with it. In most administrations, the White House counsel’s office would have put up a goal-line stand against such conflicts of interest as were allowed in Ukraine, for example. Long before Joe Biden ever got the chance to force out a prosecutor investigating his son’s corporate patron, various government lawyers would have insisted on ethical guardrails. It’s clear that State Department officials and even one of Hunter Biden’s business partners were waving red flags when Hunter joined the board of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma. So why did the man who ran the U.S. State Department—not to mention the man who ran the U.S. government—tolerate the Biden enrichment machine?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bidens-burisma-kerry-and-obama-dfdcff01

 

[Bray123]

One family possibly made millions from political connections.
Another family definitely made billions from political connections.

I'm not sure which scandal concerns the MAGAts more.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I've noticed there have been no criminal referrals from Congress. I'm sure those will be coming for the President shortly.

Because lying to the public and knowingly turning a blind eye toward family member’s influence peddling to foreign nationals are not crimes. Sleazy? Sure. Incredibly poor judgement? Absolutely. But criminal? Probably not. Investigations are ongoing and criminal referrals could come from other evidence gathering but nothing from the Archer testimony alone puts Biden in legal jeopardy.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

“First of all, I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their business, period.”
7/2019

"I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings”
8/2019

“I don’t discuss business with my son”
10/2019

Tucker Carlson asks Devon Archer about this. Enjoy how well Biden’s story holds up in this exchange.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686799149109256192

 

[icanhelp1]

I have already posted direct quotes from Joe Biden and his press Secretary insisting he had never discussed business with his son and had no knowledge of his son’s business.

In order to believe those claims are true, you’d have to believe that Joe chatted with Burisma executives and other foreign nationals at dinners and multiple times on the phone with no idea of who they were or what kind of business Hunter was involved with them. You would have to believe Joe was clueless about why these folks were paying his son, and you’d have to believe Biden wrote that personal letter to Devon Archer expressing his appreciation for being Hunter’s busin partner on official Office of the Vice President stationary with no idea what kind of business they were in.

Let me know if you need screenshots showing the part where Archer explained that Hunter’s primary value was “the brand” meaning the Vice President’s last name. Or parts where he explained the multiple times Hunter put his dad in front of his partners in person and on the phone. Or the letter Joe wrote to Devon Archer.

The spin coming from Biden defenders has changed from “never discussed with Hunter, no knowledge“ to Joe in fact did know the nature of Hunter‘s business, knew who he was associated with, met and spoke with them frequently, but he wasn’t involved with financial and operational aspects. Since business was not discussed in Joe’s many calls and meetings with Hunters associates, the new spin is Joe didn‘t know why he was put on the speaker phone or why he was invited to dinners. Joe had no idea that he was “the brand.”

If the DOJ and FBI investigations were as thorough and aggressive towards Biden as they were and are towards Trump Biden would have been impeached for bribery, removed from office followed up with charged and convicted on RICO statutes. Merrick Garland would be doing time for obstruction of justice. Lots of similarities between Garland and Mitchell.

 

[Comshaw]

I have already posted direct quotes from Joe Biden and his press Secretary insisting he had never discussed business with his son and had no knowledge of his son’s business.

In order to believe those claims are true, you’d have to believe that Joe chatted with Burisma executives and other foreign nationals at dinners and multiple times on the phone with no idea of who they were or what kind of business Hunter was involved with them. You would have to believe Joe was clueless about why these folks were paying his son, and you’d have to believe Biden wrote that personal letter to Devon Archer expressing his appreciation for being Hunter’s busin partner on official Office of the Vice President stationary with no idea what kind of business they were in.

Let me know if you need screenshots showing the part where Archer explained that Hunter’s primary value was “the brand” meaning the Vice President’s last name. Or parts where he explained the multiple times Hunter put his dad in front of his partners in person and on the phone. Or the letter Joe wrote to Devon Archer.

The spin coming from Biden defenders has changed from “never discussed with Hunter, no knowledge“ to Joe in fact did know the nature of Hunter‘s business, knew who he was associated with, met and spoke with them frequently, but he wasn’t involved with financial and operational aspects. Since business was not discussed in Joe’s many calls and meetings with Hunters associates, the new spin is Joe didn‘t know why he was put on the speaker phone or why he was invited to dinners. Joe had no idea that he was “the brand.”

Here's the thing EVERYTHING you said above is prefaced with "believe". That particular mindset requires no proof, requires no evidence. In fact it expressly excludes the existence of hard facts and substitutes a person's own opinion on a thing. All it requires is for a person to suppose a thing to be true. I don't want to believe anything, I want to see proof. You have offered none, only maybes and what if's. I read the transcripts. I actually have a pdf copy of it on my computer. Nowhere in that document is a statement from Archer implying that Joe was part of Hunter's business or derived something from it.

You seem to be getting all butt hurt because Joe lied about knowing about Hunter's business and partners. Fine, not that I see it nor recognize it as a fact, but let's say he did lie about that. In the context of the lies told by politicians, especially over the past half-decade, that one (if it really is one) doesn't even show on the scale. And IF it did happen, did it rise to the level of being illegal? Not even close. Bitching about someone leaving a booger in a tub filled with turds is idiotic. A lie as tiny as that would be on a scale with a lie to hide a blowjob. But then we all know how that scale of lie is treated don't we?

Nor have you shown he was involved or derived ANY benefit from Hunter's business. Did he let Hunter use the Biden "brand" to make money? Possibly, but again, was that illegal? Did it harm the country in any way? Did he have to know about Hunter's dealings if he allowed the "brand" to be used? He didn't have to know OR be involved. No is the only answer that fits those three questions.

It appears to me that all of your arguments tarring the president are manufactured from "could haves" would haves" "maybes" and "must haves" with narry a "did" in the bunch. Get back to me when you have some "did's" in hand. Until then I'll wait for some proof and just let you rant and be wrong. We have way bigger and more important issues facing this country.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

Because lying to the public and knowingly turning a blind eye toward family member’s influence peddling to foreign nationals are not crimes. Sleazy? Sure. Incredibly poor judgement? Absolutely. But criminal? Probably not. Investigations are ongoing and criminal referrals could come from other evidence gathering but nothing from the Archer testimony alone puts Biden in legal jeopardy.

Bitching about someone leaving a booger in a tub filled with turds is idiotic.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

“First of all, I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their business, period.”
7/2019

"I have never spoken to my son about his overseas business dealings”
8/2019

“I don’t discuss business with my son”
10/2019

Tucker Carlson asks Devon Archer about this. Enjoy how well Biden’s story holds up in this exchange.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1686799149109256192

So you are going to call Joe on the carpet for lying, but believe whole cloth those things orchestrated by a PROVEN liar? You are going to present as evidence a comment in an interview where lying is not punishable, with a host who encourages that kind of behavior and has been caught at it? FFS

Yeah, I'm not gunna take anything said in that context seriously.

Comshaw

 

[IrezumiKiss]

It appears to me that all of your arguments tarring the president are manufactured from "could haves" would haves" "maybes" and "must haves" with narry a "did" in the bunch.

This is all the energy they ever come with and they all try to spread it out in multiple posts thinking it's a gotcha.

No actual receipts, just IOUs written in smeared pen ink.

 

[Rightguide]

He told them to go and protest PEACEFULLY.

That's not a crime. Unless you have your head shoved so far up your ass that you have to parse what happened to eliminate actual facts and evidence to promote what ends up being a lie. That's you in case you missed the referrence even though everyone else caught it.


On the other hand, you know what IS a crime? Ray Epps telling people they need to storm the Capitol. Yet somehow, Epps STILL hasn't been charged even though his months old now lawsuit for defamation says that the charges are imminent. Nor will the FBI confirm that he was an undercover operative or informant for them. I wonder what the FBI is waiting on?

So, on the one hand we have Trump saying to go protest peacefully who has been indicted for saying it, and on the other we have Ray Epps who is on camera telling people to riot and still hasn't been charged with a crime 2.5 years after the fact.

And on the 3rd hand, you believe Trump is guilty of a crime only because you've got your head shoved up you ass.

Things that make you go hmmmm....

Did you notice in the indictment on page 38 filed by Jack Smith that he purposely left that part of Trump's quote? Which of course means he's actively attempting to misinform the court and might have misinformed the Grand Jury by leaving that exculpatory information out of the indictment. The rest of the indictment is total crap and will be reversed if he's convicted under it in DC.

 

[Rotadom]

Did you notice in the indictment on page 38 filed by Jack Smith that he purposely left that part of Trump's quote? Which of course means he's actively attempting to misinform the court and might have misinformed the Grand Jury by leaving that exculpatory information out of the indictment. The rest of the indictment is total crap and will be reversed if he's convicted under it in DC.

Your boy is fucked, chump.

 

[Rightguide]

Judge rules Trump protected by presidential immunity for claims doubting election while in office​

Trump is not totally in the clear, as the judge ruled that statements he made after leaving the White House are not protected.

By Madeleine Hubbard
Updated: August 1, 2023 - 1:47pm

Pennsylvania state judge ruled that President Donald Trump is protected by presidential immunity for the statements he made creating doubt about the 2020 election results while in office.

Philadelphia County Court of Common Pleas Judge Michael Erdos ruled Monday that 2020 election worker James Savage is unable to sue Trump over the claims, according to The Hill.

Trump's immunity includes a tweet and other comments he made from the White House while a Pennsylvania state Senate committee met in November 2020, the judge also said.

"Other legal proceedings may examine the propriety of his statements and actions while he was the President and whether, as the plaintiffs in this and other cases contend, it was this conduct which served as the actual threat to our democracy," Erdos wrote in his ruling. "But this case is not the proper place to do so. Here, Trump is entitled to Presidential immunity."

More here:https://justthenews.com/government/...residential-immunity-claims-doubting-election

Which destroys much of Smith's J6 indictment of Trump.

 

[Lazaran]

•
“Right”guide publicly humiliates themselves by clearly demonstrating that they don’t even understand the charges Jack Smith has leveled against the rapey, racist, misogynistic, corrupt orange traitor.



“Right”guide

 

[Lazaran]

This is all the energy they ever come with and they all try to spread it out in multiple posts thinking it's a gotcha.

No actual receipts, just IOUs written in smeared pen ink.

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I’ve often wondered if the RWCJ “members” are imitating the Russian misinformation/ disinformation trolls, or if it’s the other way around. Both groups constantly lie / say anything, and flood the zone with substandard products that lack receipts.



Somewhat related; I read somewhere that Russian operatives realized long ago that “republicans” are easily manipulated by misinformation / disinformation and conspiracy theories, and are too lazy, (intellectually and otherwise) to research / fact check dubious claims.

That ^ must really make the Russian propaganda operatives lives much easier. They can always count on the RWCJ “members” to keep them in good standing with Putin.



Unfortunately for the Russians and the RWCJ “members”, decent, intelligent, Americans are more than capable of identifying and debunking their weak attempt s at lying and gaslighting.

Russians and RWCJ “members”

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Hunter Biden’s lawyer told the New York Times in the fall of 2021 that his client “no longer holds any interest, directly or indirectly, in either BHR or Skaneateles.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...se-state-backed-fund-as-hunter-bidens-lawyer/

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

About that dinner Joe Biden never attended…

https://jonathanturley.org/2023/08/06/remember-that-biden-dinner-that-never-occurred-well-it-did/

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

•
I’ve often wondered if the RWCJ “members” are imitating the Russian misinformation/ disinformation trolls, or if it’s the other way around. Both groups constantly lie / say anything, and flood the zone with substandard products that lack receipts.



Somewhat related; I read somewhere that Russian operatives realized long ago that “republicans” are easily manipulated by misinformation / disinformation and conspiracy theories, and are too lazy, (intellectually and otherwise) to research / fact check dubious claims.

That ^ must really make the Russian propaganda operatives lives much easier. They can always count on the RWCJ “members” to keep them in good standing with Putin.



Unfortunately for the Russians and the RWCJ “members”, decent, intelligent, Americans are more than capable of identifying and debunking their weak attempt s at lying and gaslighting.

Russians and RWCJ “members”

Like that laptop which was Russian misinformation until it wasn’t.

 

[Rightguide]

The Democrats only wish they had as much evidence on Donald Trump that is now out in the open on Joe Biden.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Ok, I’ll play along with the whataboutism game.

The point was, at the time,you didn't give a shit. Or if you did, show the posts. Otherwise HYPOCRITE fits right in your description....this was not a whataboutism....

 

[Fuzzy1975]

So I looked it up, Mr. Fuzzy. All patents were applied for in 2016. They were granted three months after she announced she was dissolving her business to focus on government work, according to the AP article. It’s a bad look for sure but both her and her dad had actual business in China prior to him becoming POTUS and they did need to divest themselves. Not sure what to think other than it, on the surface, looks bad.

"Loves Spam" looks bad on the surface too. *chuckles*

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The point was, at the time,you didn't give a shit. Or if you did, show the posts. Otherwise HYPOCRITE fits right in your description....this was not a whataboutism....

I get that you dislike the subjects I comment on. Life is so unfair. Oh well.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I get that you dislike the subjects I comment on. Life is so unfair. Oh well.

*chuckles* your lack of reading comprehension is a major reason why most of your threads die, ending with you the laughing stock.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

*chuckles* your lack of reading comprehension is a major reason why most of your threads die, ending with you the laughing stock.

And yet here you are!

 

[Lazaran]

Like that laptop which was Russian misinformation until it wasn’t.

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Quoted for posterity and stupidity.

The existence of the laptop hard drive itself was not believed to be “Russian misinformation/ disinformation.

The bullshit narratives being floated around by the orange traitor’s operatives, (who are basically “the Russians”) about what was actually on the laptop is what concerned many in the IC (Intel Community).

MULTIPLE COPIES of the ORIGINAL COPY of the hard drive, (that were illegally(?) distributed by the computer shop owner to the orange traitor’s operatives), were found to have been tampered with / used to spread disinformation/ misinformation about the ACTUAL contents of the ORIGINAL COPY of the hard drive.

See also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/


From the article:

“Soon after that period of inactivity — and months after the laptop itself had been taken into FBI custody — three new folders were created on the drive. Dated Sept. 1 and 2, 2020, they bore the names “Desktop Documents,” “Biden Burisma” and “Hunter. Burisma Documents.”
Williams also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.
Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, “Mail,” “Salacious Pics Package” and “Big Guy File” — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.”

Hope that ^ helps.



BabyBoobs

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

^
Quoted for posterity and stupidity.

The existence of the laptop hard drive itself was not believed to be “Russian misinformation/ disinformation.

The bullshit narratives being floated around by the orange traitor’s operatives, (who are basically “the Russians”) about what was actually on the laptop is what concerned many in the IC (Intel Community).

MULTIPLE COPIES of the ORIGINAL COPY of the hard drive, (that were illegally(?) distributed by the computer shop owner to the orange traitor’s operatives), were found to have been tampered with / used to spread disinformation/ misinformation about the ACTUAL contents of the ORIGINAL COPY of the hard drive.

See also:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/


From the article:

“Soon after that period of inactivity — and months after the laptop itself had been taken into FBI custody — three new folders were created on the drive. Dated Sept. 1 and 2, 2020, they bore the names “Desktop Documents,” “Biden Burisma” and “Hunter. Burisma Documents.”
Williams also found records on the drive that indicated someone may have accessed the drive from a West Coast location in October 2020, little more than a week after the first New York Post stories on Hunter Biden’s laptop appeared.
Over the next few days, somebody created three additional folders on the drive, titled, “Mail,” “Salacious Pics Package” and “Big Guy File” — an apparent reference to Joe Biden.”

Hope that ^ helps.



BabyBoobs

The Washington Post article you linked to confirms the controversial emails originally published by the New York Post (and suppressed on social media platforms) were verified.

“Thousands of emails purportedly from the laptop computer of Hunter Biden, President Biden’s son, are authentic communications that can be verified through cryptographic signatures from Google and other technology companies, say two security experts who examined the data at the request of The Washington Post.
“In particular, there are verified emails illuminating a deal Hunter Biden developed with a fast-growing Chinese energy conglomerate, CEFC China Energy, for which he was paid nearly $5 million, and other business relationships. Those business dealings are the subject of a separate Washington Post storypublished at the same time as this one on the forensic examinations of the drive.
The drive also includes some verified emails from Hunter Biden’s work with Burisma, the Ukrainian energy company for which he was a board member. President Donald Trump’s efforts to tie Joe Biden to the removal of a Ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma led to Trump’s first impeachment trial, which ended in acquittal in February 2020.”