LW Has Turned Into a Misogynist Wasteland

[SimonDoom]

Maybe it's time we stopped skirting the issue, especially those of us with enough stories and enough votes to withstand the one bombers. Let them have a go. When we self censor based on a vocal minority where does that get us?

Nowhere, I think.

High scores are nice. Everybody would like a higher rather than a lower score. But scores are an instrumental, rather than primary, good. The bottom line of publishing a story is to connect with readers. Why do it, otherwise? If the best way to connect with an appreciative readership is to publish in Loving Wives, then it seems like the thing to do even if one picks up some dickheads and downvotes along the way.

 

[lc69hunter]

Bearcat22 seems to have disappeared.

And, his comment about "women provoking men" tells me all I need to know about him.

 

[SimonDoom]

Bearcat22 seems to have disappeared.

And, his comment about "women provoking men" tells me all I need to know about him.

An interesting and common feature of those who advocate the BTB perspective is their hit and run quality. Once in a while they dip into these threads, state a position by mischaracterizing what's going on in Loving Wives, and then disappear so they don't have to explain themselves.

 

[lc69hunter]

An interesting and common feature of those who advocate the BTB perspective is their hit and run quality. Once in a while they dip into these threads, state a position by mischaracterizing what's going on in Loving Wives, and then disappear so they don't have to explain themselves.

Despite my many comments about BTB, I am not necessarily anti-BTB. Egregious behavior warrants an appropriate response. However, it is way way too overdone. Cheating, in and of itself, is not necessarily egregious behavior, depending upon the circumstances. That is my perspective. I like a good cheating/sharing/hotwife/cuckold story if well written, though there are far too few well written ones these days. I have about 15 or so stories mostly written, not all in the LW genre. I need to quit posting for a while, get off my ass and just finish some of them and get them published. My problem is that I struggle writing the sex scenes well, even though I have lived some of them and can picture them in my head.

 

[alohadave]

Bearcat22 seems to have disappeared.

And, his comment about "women provoking men" tells me all I need to know about him.

He was spamming various threads with garbage troll posts. I reported as many posts as I could here.

 

[Thorlol]

It's been about 29 hours since my story Insatiable Mrs. Pillsbury was posted. The purpose of the story wasn't to poke the bear, but to post a story that I thought would appeal to those LW readers who enjoy "hot wife" stories, since I like those stories as well. But I also wanted to test the proposition that LW is a worthless cesspool where such stories are not appreciated. I wasn't poking the bear, but I wasn't hiding the ball, either. The title, tagline, and tags, as well as the first three paragraphs of the story, make it very clear what the reader is in for, by design.

It's not a "cuckold" story in the strict sense. There is no humiliation of the husband involved.

At 29 hours the story has 17,701 views, 293 votes, 19 comments (mostly positive, with some predictably negative ones), 29 favorites, and a score of 3.41. That's the lowest score, by far, of any of my stories. It started off much lower but has been slowly trending upward. I think the bombers hit early, and since then it's received more appreciative voters.

The vote:view, favorite:view, and comment:view ratios are quite high compared to the ratios for others of my stories.

I'm surprised I haven't received more negative comments.

The publication of the story also had a big, positive impact on views and favorites of my other stories, and I've picked up a healthy dose of new followers.

The experience has confirmed, so far, what I suspected: a substantial number of readers in this category aggressively downvote such stories, and sometimes comment very negatively on them, but there is also a large audience that enjoys these stories, and even this positive readership is more interactive than it is in other categories. So as long as you don't mind getting a lower score than you would otherwise, it's a good category to post in if you want to find the largest and most appreciative audience for "hot wife" stories.

To be honest, I rated your newest story with just 3 out of 5 stars. Just because there was nothing that was really interesting or thought provoking. If you take out the parts where she texts or talks with her husband on the phone it could have been easily be placed in erotic couplings. Add my failure to comprehend the allure of the hotwife lifestyle and you get to the rating I decided to give.

And I am not writing this to trashtalk your effort. Just an honest opinion of someone who doesnt think of himself as a troll.

 

[SimonDoom]

To be honest, I rated your newest story with just 3 out of 5 stars. Just because there was nothing that was really interesting or thought provoking. If you take out the parts where she texts or talks with her husband on the phone it could have been easily be placed in erotic couplings. Add my failure to comprehend the allure of the hotwife lifestyle and you get to the rating I decided to give.

And I am not writing this to trashtalk your effort. Just an honest opinion of someone who doesnt think of himself as a troll.

If you actually read the story and didn't care for it, then your vote is perfectly fair. I respect that.

Also, I appreciate the fact that you declared yourself, didn't hide behind anonymity, and explained your reasons.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Damn, what the hell did I miss in the last day?

 

[KeithD]

An interesting and common feature of those who advocate the BTB perspective is their hit and run quality. Once in a while they dip into these threads, state a position by mischaracterizing what's going on in Loving Wives, and then disappear so they don't have to explain themselves.

Bearcat22 was disappeared by management even though he was busy flaming out all by himself.

 

[lc69hunter]

You're being too generous. The main character appears to have been lifted straight out of a Looney Tunes cartoon. The story consists of a series of lackluster and emotionless descriptions of sex, devoid of any real conflict or plot. In truth, there is no real story to speak of. However, it is written in a clean and beautiful style.

Similar to LC68, when they write for their I/T base, they showcase positive and likable characters. But when they write for LW, they deliberately create repulsive characters just to come here and mock us as "cavemen."

I agree that there was no depth. There was not supposed to be. This was just a fun romp through the stereotypes.

 

[SimonDoom]

You're being too generous. The main character appears to have been lifted straight out of a Looney Tunes cartoon. The story consists of a series of lackluster and emotionless descriptions of sex, devoid of any real conflict or plot. In truth, there is no real story to speak of. However, it is written in a clean and beautiful style.

Similar to LC68, when they write for their I/T base, they showcase positive and likable characters. But when they write for LW, they deliberately create repulsive characters just to come here and mock us as "cavemen."

Lc69hunter hit the nail on the head. This was intended to be a fun romp. There isn't much "story." You're right about that. I thought about trying to add more conflict and story elements, but I decided if I did that it wouldn't be the story I wanted it to be. Thanks for the compliment on the style!

I must reply to your last statement. When I write stories for this category I'm not trying to mock anyone as a caveman. I write stories because I like to write them and because I know there are some people who like to read them. Nobody is obliged to read my story. I made it crystal clear what the story was about, so if anyone took the time to read it and hated it, it's their bad, not mine. I have no qualms with other people's kinks and story preferences. My only qualm is with those who seem determined to shame others' kinks with downvotes and nasty comments.

 

[Lifestyle66]

I don't want to upset you, but these numbers are quite low for LW. It's common to see over a thousand votes and a hundred comments for an intriguing story within the first 20k views. Unfortunately, your target audience of hotwife readers seems to have largely ignored it. While it's possible that this wasn't a conscious decision, I can't help but wonder if the choice of an emotionless cartoon as the main character in your LW debut was a coincidence.

HEY! I resent that remark!

My latest LW story (Lifestyle Ch. 15 Unleashing) has only 1,784 views, 3.14 rating wit 29 votes (well, that after the Admins removed over HALF of the 1's) and only 4 comments!

You're implying that MY stories are even WORSE!!!???

 

[KeithD]

After a story goes off the New list, how does anyone but the author know how many votes it's getting? Am I missing where this is provided?

 

[ElectricBlue]

I don't want to upset you, but these numbers are quite low for LW. It's common to see over a thousand votes and a hundred comments for an intriguing story within the first 20k views. Unfortunately, your target audience of hotwife readers seems to have largely ignored it. While it's possible that this wasn't a conscious decision, I can't help but wonder if the choice of an emotionless cartoon as the main character in your LW debut was a coincidence.

My guess, citing Simon's own ideas on the importance of story titles, is that his title didn't work at all well. Insatiable Mrs Pillbury suggests some kind of weird Agatha Christie spin-off, featuring Mary Poppins in a corset.

 

[NoTalentHack]

My guess, citing Simon's own ideas on the importance of story titles, is that his title didn't work at all well. Insatiable Mrs Pillbury suggests some kind of weird Agatha Christie spin-off, featuring Mary Poppins in a corset.

Fetish sense… tingling.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Fetish sense… tingling.

Go for it!

Fetish is a fine category - but change Mary's name, coz Disney fan-fic is a no no. Although, having seen both Julie Andrew's bare breasts in Victor Victoria, and Emily Blunt's in something or other, that's a damn shame.

 

[Lifestyle66]

After a story goes off the New list, how does anyone but the author know how many votes it's getting? Am I missing where this is provided?

Well, DUH! Simon and I ARE the authors for the stories which we quoted the number of ratings.

 

[KeithD]

Well, DUH! Simon and I ARE the authors for the stories which we quoted the number of ratings.

You can kindly take the "well, duh" and stuff it. I was referring to Tilan's "It's common to see over a thousand votes" claim but, not rushing to false judgment as you have, posing it as a question. I'm not aware that anyone but the author can see vote statistics after the story goes off the New list. If my impression is right, Tilan is making an unsupportable claim. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to learn where just anyone can see this stat on someone else's story.

 

[SimonDoom]

You can kindly take the "well, duh" and stuff it. I was referring to Tilan's "It's common to see over a thousand votes" claim but, not rushing to false judgment as you have, posing it as a question. I'm not aware that anyone but the author can see vote statistics after the story goes off the New list. If my impression is right, Tilan is making an unsupportable claim. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to learn where just anyone can see this stat on someone else's story.

The only place I know of to see vote data is on the category toplist for the last 30 days. Vote numbers are in parentheses. But unless you go through the list of 250 stories and count only those from the last day or so I don't know how one can substantiate what Tilan said.

My story hasn't been a blockbuster by any means by Loving Wives standards, but I note that of the 74 Loving Wives stories published in the last 7 days, after only 2 days my story already has more views than 62 of them and more favorites than 64 of them, despite its low score. The majority of stories that get high scores and many approving comments in the Loving Wives category now are of the "revenge and consequences" type, which my story obviously is not.

 

[Lifestyle66]

You can kindly take the "well, duh" and stuff it. I was referring to Tilan's "It's common to see over a thousand votes" claim but, not rushing to false judgment as you have, posing it as a question. I'm not aware that anyone but the author can see vote statistics after the story goes off the New list. If my impression is right, Tilan is making an unsupportable claim. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to learn where just anyone can see this stat on someone else's story.

But you didn't refer to Tilan!

 

[KeithD]

The only place I know of to see vote data is on the category toplist for the last 30 days. Vote numbers are in parentheses. But unless you go through the list of 250 stories and count only those from the last day or so I don't know how one can substantiate what Tilan said.

Thanks. So, no one can really say what the average number of votes for stories in any category is, I assume.

 

[KeithD]

But you didn't refer to Tilan!

Nor did I quote the "well, duh" two authors. That's your bad.

 

[SimonDoom]

Thanks. So, no one can really say what the average number of votes for stories in any category is, I assume.

Not that I know of. Tilan is correct, though, that the vote to view ratio is unusually high for certain kinds of Loving Wives stories-- namely, the "revenge and consequences" or "BTB" type stories. These stories seemingly have more devoted fans than any other type, because they vote and they like to comment.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Nor did I quote the "well, duh" two authors. That's your bad.

My, but you're so sensitive.

Learn to communicate with WORDS. If you meant to critique Tilan, then Say "Tilan". Otherwise, you're critiquing those of us who posted stats.

 

[KeithD]

Not that I know of. Tilan is correct, though, that the vote to view ratio is unusually high for certain kinds of Loving Wives stories-

If the vote stat isn't available to anyone but the author, how can you make this generalization? You can do so for what you author, but if the vote stat for anyone but you is unknow, you can't use it for generalized comparisons.

Folks just push stats here to false assumptions. People post a few stories and then spend their time trying to make something out of them that isn't possible to try to make themselves believe they are great writers.