LW Has Turned Into a Misogynist Wasteland

[SimonDoom]

Fair enough. It just struck me as provocative, that's all.

And to be clear, you're not going to get any "boo hoo" from me about my score. I knew exactly what I was getting into. I wanted to see how a story could do in Loving Wives if I wrote it 100% to appeal to the crowd that the category was originally intended for.

The score is up to 2.97 and I expect it will get over 3. It already has over 3,000 views and 67 votes and 7 favorites and two nice comments, and I've picked up several new followers. So I consider it a win, on top of the fun of writing it.

 

[oneagainst]

So I consider it a win, on top of the fun of writing it.

You do you and be the change you want to see. My one foray into LW was enlightening. I know there's a thread about how LW is a misogynist wasteland but I found it actually quite civil, once you just accept the unabombers are gonna bomb.

 

[ElectricBlue]

And to be clear, you're not going to get any "boo hoo" from me about my score.

I didn't think so. You appear to have joined the "all scores are meaningless" brigade in the last year or so, but hey, check out the views!

I'm still a little cynical that you appear, often, to write erotica that you don't quite believe in, but because it brings in the punters.

Your best stuff, I reckon, is where you've written in categories where you actually indulge your kinks - I understand that, because that's how and why I write - and in your content, I think it shows.

I should set you a challenge, like you did to me, to write a completely free form, no plot, no plan, stream of consciousness story. Show us RealSimon, not this "deliberate construct strategy" stuff. But somehow, I think you prefer the story control, not the story surprises.

But you know, carry on .

 

[SimonDoom]

I didn't think so. You appear to have joined the "all scores are meaningless" brigade in the last year or so, but hey, check out the views!

I'm still a little cynical that you appear, often, to write erotica that you don't quite believe in, but because it brings in the punters.

Your best stuff, I reckon, is where you've written in categories where you actually indulge your kinks - I understand that, because that's how and why I write - and in your content, I think it shows.

I should set you a challenge, like you did to me, to write a completely free form, no plot, no plan, stream of consciousness story. Show us RealSimon, not this "deliberate construct strategy" stuff. But somehow, I think you prefer the story control, not the story surprises.

But you know, carry on .

I think that's a bit snarky, and it's wrong. I write what I like to write. I write in a variety of different categories, and the kind of stuff I write tracks pretty well with the kind of stuff I've enjoyed reading over the last 20 years. My stories may not be to your taste, but that doesn't mean I'm slumming it, and I resent your repeated insinuations that's what I'm doing.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The infamous 26thNC visited my LW stories yesterday. His comment on Intervention Wife:

26thNCabout 16 hours ago
Really funny, but just not for me.

I guess he doesn’t like it when laughter interrupts his sanctimonious moralizing.

 

[Lifestyle66]

The infamous 26thNC visited my LW stories yesterday. His comment on Intervention Wife:

26thNCabout 16 hours ago
Really funny, but just not for me.

I guess he doesn’t like it when laughter interrupts his sanctimonious moralizing.

The infamous 26thNC just revisited my "A Gathering of Trolls" story (after six months) to post two snarky comments attacking Grendelpuppy and lc69hunter.

26thNC must be bored.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I know there's a thread about how LW is a misogynist wasteland ...

This is that thread.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

You appear to have joined the "all scores are meaningless" brigade in the last year or so, but hey, check out the views!
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I don't think there truly is such a brigade. I mean, I am always saying that scores aren't a true measure of story quality, but that is far from calling them meaningless. I consider them a measure of how much readers liked your story, and yeah, as readers aren't zombies, there is a definite correlation between high scores and story quality, but there are also many more factors that taken all together have a slightly stronger impact on the scores - in my opinion.
If you were referring to some people who have more radical opinion about scores than the one I mentioned, then forget I said anything, although I would appreciate it if you could point out some posts that made you form your opinion, as I have apparently missed them. It would be a fun change for me to actually defend the scores

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't think there truly is such a brigade. I mean, I am always saying that scores aren't a true measure of story quality, but that is far from calling them meaningless. I consider them a measure of how much readers liked your story, and yeah, as readers aren't zombies, there is a definite correlation between high scores and story quality, but there are also many more factors that taken all together have a slightly stronger impact on the scores - in my opinion.
If you were referring to some people who have more radical opinion about scores than the one I mentioned, then forget I said anything, although I would appreciate it if you could point out some posts that made you form your opinion, as I have apparently missed them. It would be a fun change for me to actually defend the scores

Well said. It's a mischaracterization of my perspective to say I think scores are meaningless. I've NEVER said that, and I don't believe it. If you pick 100 stories at random with a 4.8 score and 100 stories at random with a 4.3 score, the 4.8 stories will be, on average, better.

I'm just like everybody else. I'd rather get a high score than a low one.

But chasing high scores, and making getting a high score as a primary goal of your story-writing, is a silly goal. There are many factors that go into scores that have nothing to do with story quality. You can write the world's best hot wife story and you might get a bad score just because so many readers hate those stories and bomb them.

The reality of human psychology is that people tend to defend whatever they are good at. Some people like to write stories that favor certain niches and may get high scores from readers who appreciate those niches. That's perfectly fine. And some people gravitate toward writing stories that may have broader appeal. That's fine too. Nobody's kink is privileged over anybody else's kink.

 

[AdamPhoenix]

Kate and I have posted multiple stories, most of them in the LW category, but maybe never again. This week a story titled 'Monster' - which set a new low standard in misogynist porn - was published and currently has a 4.23 rating - plus numerous comments cheering the psychopath for his behavior. The man was betrayed by his wife and best friend, indefensible behavior, but the jilted husband threatened the pair, telling them he tortured the man who seduced his married cousin by cutting out the man's tongue and eyes - and implied they deserve the same treatment.

Anyone who thinks this is an appropriate response to adultery is either mentally ill or a Taliban. Yes, we wish the couple who committed such a grievous betrayal a lifetime of sorrow, but mutilation? Nothing erotic about that. LW has descended into a wasteland. The truly erotic stories of 'married extra-marital fun...' are rated low, no matter the content. And 'burn the bitch', the more harsh the better, are rated high and are cheered in the comment section. Kate and I published some hotwife fantasies - yes, fantasies - and we removed them after receiving comments that included death threats.

This is one more plea to the owners of Literotica to split LW into two sections. One for the angry misogynists who want to stone adulterers and another for the erotic fantasies of the loving wife lifestyle - the original intent of the category.

I'd like to read your hotwife fantasy stories. Can you send me one personally? I'd return the favor since I'm totally into the same as my fave kink. As for the misogynistic bastards...they just don't exist in my world. Pretend they're invisible and live your life as you like.

 

[AdamPhoenix]

Well said. It's a mischaracterization of my perspective to say I think scores are meaningless. I've NEVER said that, and I don't believe it. If you pick 100 stories at random with a 4.8 score and 100 stories at random with a 4.3 score, the 4.8 stories will be, on average, better.

I'm just like everybody else. I'd rather get a high score than a low one.

But chasing high scores, and making getting a high score as a primary goal of your story-writing, is a silly goal. There are many factors that go into scores that have nothing to do with story quality. You can write the world's best hot wife story and you might get a bad score just because so many readers hate those stories and bomb them.

The reality of human psychology is that people tend to defend whatever they are good at. Some people like to write stories that favor certain niches and may get high scores from readers who appreciate those niches. That's perfectly fine. And some people gravitate toward writing stories that may have broader appeal. That's fine too. Nobody's kink is privileged over anybody else's kink.

So very well put my friend. I'll second that. Those that like bringing their hot wife to a chess tournament are just as hot and maybe hotter IMHO as those that bring their hot wife to the cliche Daytona Beach spring break. Different strokes....for different folks. Please let me know of a good hotwife story to read and I'll share one of my faves back

 

[lc69hunter]

The infamous 26thNC just revisited my "A Gathering of Trolls" story (after six months) to post two snarky comments attacking Grendelpuppy and lc69hunter.

26thNC must be bored.

Yeah, just went and looked. I zinged him first on that story, so I guess it was some sort of payback

 

[lc69hunter]

My just-published LW story has one vote so far--and it's a 1! I've never had a story scored as a 1 before. Bold new ground. Look on the bright side -- it can't get worse.

By the time I finally got to read it it had eight comments and a score somewhere in the mid 3's. I did my little bit to bump it up. You did push a lot of the hotwife buttons. Well done

 

[ElectricBlue]

I think that's a bit snarky, and it's wrong. I write what I like to write. I write in a variety of different categories, and the kind of stuff I write tracks pretty well with the kind of stuff I've enjoyed reading over the last 20 years. My stories may not be to your taste, but that doesn't mean I'm slumming it, and I resent your repeated insinuations that's what I'm doing.

Probably a bit snarky, yes, sorry.

 

[SimonDoom]

By the time I finally got to read it it had eight comments and a score somewhere in the mid 3's. I did my little bit to bump it up. You did push a lot of the hotwife buttons. Well done

Thanks, and thanks for your comment. You understood exactly what I was trying to do.

 

[SimonDoom]

It amazes me that so many people can be so blind.

Expressing any sort of frustration or dissatisfaction with any female gets one automatically labeled "misogynist" and / or "incel" by the PC police. This is ridiculous.

It is possible to hate some women, and to hate some typically female behavior without hating ALL women.

If you don't want any men to ever hate any women, do you think that shaming men with legitimate grievances is ever going to be effective? At best, all you'll do is drive the resentment out of sight temporarily.

There are factually women who behave badly and who mistreat and provoke men. Maybe you should expend some energy shaming those women for a change, and give men a rest.

This isn't responsive at all to the post you responded to.

Some women do bad things. True. But nobody deserves to be physically mutilated.

And there's no call ever for issuing death threats to people who like to write stories about women who have fun beyond the bounds of marriage.

 

[KeithD]

This isn't responsive at all to the post you responded to.

Some women do bad things. True. But nobody deserves to be physically mutilated.

And there's no call ever for issuing death threats to people who like to write stories about women who have fun beyond the bounds of marriage.

Be aware that Bearcat22 is a brand-new gamester who recently started life here as a MAGA troll flooding the Political forum with bile and nonsense.

 

[KeithD]

See?

 

[Andrew1968]

Thank you for your lack of quality, Asshat22. Don't be dishonest, don't be a puppet of your political masters, don't be a political mouthpiece, don't be a waste of space. There's no place in the Loving Wives category for stories which feature the murder, the rape and the serious and sickening assault of women. I'll report everyone I find. There is, however, room there for sharing, swapping, hot-wife and willing cuckolding stories. Any angry male who doesn't like those stories and wants extreme violent vengeance can go elsewhere. Now having been thus corrected and educated, Asshat22, you may go now.

 

[Grendelpuppy]

The infamous 26thNC just revisited my "A Gathering of Trolls" story (after six months) to post two snarky comments attacking Grendelpuppy and lc69hunter.

26thNC must be bored.

He's cracking up under the pressure.

 

[lc69hunter]

It amazes me that so many people can be so blind.

Expressing any sort of frustration or dissatisfaction with any female gets one automatically labeled "misogynist" and / or "incel" by the PC police. This is ridiculous.

It is possible to hate some women, and to hate some typically female behavior without hating ALL women.

If you don't want any men to ever hate any women, do you think that shaming men who have legitimate grievances is ever going to be effective? At best, all you'll do is drive the resentment out of sight temporarily.

There are factually women who behave badly and who mistreat and provoke men. Maybe you should expend some energy shaming those women for a change, and give men a rest.

I take it that you were nominated by the BTB cadre to come up here and defend the fact that if a wife takes a strange cock, even consensually, or cheats and she is not automatically kicked to the curb, or burned at the stake, or stoned in the public square, then the automatic label or "cuck" and/or "whore" applies? Talk about PC police!!!

Egregious behavior by a wife deserves the appropriate response. I think we can all agree on that. However, 70% of BTB stories churned out have no need to be BTB, and some should not even be, but the way the writers frame the husband as this poor weak guy who goes and pukes, and/or runs away and hides and won't talk, like the little boy who is pouting because someone played with his favorite toy. Or so rigid that he can't see the world in any way but his. Life, and men, are not like that. Of course, in your world, even if they talk, he automatically doesn't believe her.

Face it, according to the most recent surveys, women cheat at about the same rate as men (low 30% range) Why? They as high a libido as men, if not higher, and opportunity. Most times, it has absolutely nothing to do with hubby. I have slept with many married women. Why? 1) They are not trying to trick me into marriage or child support. 2) They are discrete, they are not trying to replace a husband that they happen to love very much, they are just looking to scratch an itch that hubby is not scratching. I am not looking to disrespect or denigrate a husband, just to scratch an itch. Neither are they. Most are very protective of their husbands, and have no desire to embarrass or humiliate them.

So yes, we are as sick of your automatic labels as you are of ours, though I only started using them in response to yours. I think we see the world through far different eyes. I would like to see LW become a more civilized place. Sadly, it will not happen, as the anonymous trolls come out of the woodwork in mass to 1-bomb and trash any story in which the wife has sex outside the marriage.

 

[Dubinsky]

My ideas are my own.

Well, not the eugenics ones. Goebbels had those kinds of ideas too.

 

[alohadave]

Maybe you should expend some energy shaming those women for a change, and give men a rest.

Ahh, the plight of the poor, mistreated men in our society. Won't someone think of the men?

When is your Men's Right Activists meeting? Are you the president of your local Red Pill chapter?

 

[SimonDoom]

It's been about 29 hours since my story Insatiable Mrs. Pillsbury was posted. The purpose of the story wasn't to poke the bear, but to post a story that I thought would appeal to those LW readers who enjoy "hot wife" stories, since I like those stories as well. But I also wanted to test the proposition that LW is a worthless cesspool where such stories are not appreciated. I wasn't poking the bear, but I wasn't hiding the ball, either. The title, tagline, and tags, as well as the first three paragraphs of the story, make it very clear what the reader is in for, by design.

It's not a "cuckold" story in the strict sense. There is no humiliation of the husband involved.

At 29 hours the story has 17,701 views, 293 votes, 19 comments (mostly positive, with some predictably negative ones), 29 favorites, and a score of 3.41. That's the lowest score, by far, of any of my stories. It started off much lower but has been slowly trending upward. I think the bombers hit early, and since then it's received more appreciative voters.

The vote:view, favorite:view, and comment:view ratios are quite high compared to the ratios for others of my stories.

I'm surprised I haven't received more negative comments.

The publication of the story also had a big, positive impact on views and favorites of my other stories, and I've picked up a healthy dose of new followers.

The experience has confirmed, so far, what I suspected: a substantial number of readers in this category aggressively downvote such stories, and sometimes comment very negatively on them, but there is also a large audience that enjoys these stories, and even this positive readership is more interactive than it is in other categories. So as long as you don't mind getting a lower score than you would otherwise, it's a good category to post in if you want to find the largest and most appreciative audience for "hot wife" stories.

 

[oneagainst]

It's a good category to post in if you want to find the largest and most appreciative audience for "hot wife" stories.

Maybe it's time we stopped skirting the issue, especially those of us with enough stories and enough votes to withstand the one bombers. Let them have a go. When we self censor based on a vocal minority where does that get us?