Interethnic Sex

[Smarthomanid2]

Hang on, let me check.

No sadly not .

Em

Darn! Nah, I like ya just the way you are...

 

[Zootonius]

If I can expand on my main motivation, it was probably anti-BBC.

I find BBC distasteful (not IRL, I’m sure they taste yummy). It feels like the black guys are the other, animalistic, savage. At best they are Boxer from Animal Farm. Every black guy is also ripped, which seems less the case with white male pornstars. The language around BBC videos is about accepting challenges and being fucked as never before. About never going back. I find it icky.

What I wanted was a normal black guy, who was just a regular Joe. Not an African prince or warrior. Not hung like a horse. Just a guy.

Maybe I leant too far into that.

Em

Interesting. As I have a chapter planned in this area. A female college professor who samples the student body. So far they're all white. I was think of bringing in a black athlete, a track & field type. Where I hope for is a personality against type; self possessed, say. One who tries to understand how to please a woman.

Yet, your comment makes me pause, I try to avoid stereotypes.

 

[EmilyMiller]

Interesting. As I have a chapter planned in this area. A female college professor who samples the student body. So far they're all white. I was think of bringing in a black athlete, a track & field type. Where I hope for is a personality against type; self possessed, say. One who tries to understand how to please a woman.

Yet, your comment makes me pause, I try to avoid stereotypes.

I view BBC as being one step removed from monster porn.

Look familiar?

https://cdn77-pic.xvideos-cdn.com/videos/thumbs169poster/9b/3d/09/9b3d09241b13255b900001d76edd7970/9b3d09241b13255b900001d76edd7970.17.jpg

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

I view BBC as being one step removed from monster porn.

Look familiar?

https://cdn77-pic.xvideos-cdn.com/videos/thumbs169poster/9b/3d/09/9b3d09241b13255b900001d76edd7970/9b3d09241b13255b900001d76edd7970.17.jpg

Em

And why are the girls always white. It goes back to KKK crap about black men and “our womenfolk”.

Em

 

[Zootonius]

And why are the girls always white. It goes back to KKK crap about black men and “our womenfolk”.

Em

I guess it's in line with MILF tropes. They always have ridiculous implants that defy gravity.

 

[EmilyMiller]

I guess it's in line with MILF tropes. They always have ridiculous implants that defy gravity.

Or petite, sexually available, blondes with freckles.

Oh wait…

Em

 

[Zootonius]

Or petite, sexually available, blondes with freckles.

Oh wait…

Em

Funny thing. A story I wrote a year ago that had the protagonist as a blonde biochemist.

( I like smart women. I married one.)

 

[K0fcali]

No. I tried to push against ethnic tropes.

Em

To be realistic you can't just act like different ethnicities don't exist. That's just ignorant. Point out our differences make it feel awkward. Offend some people. Those minute details are what makes these interethnic relations sexy af.
If you're too scared to go out on a limb you will just write the same unreadable pg vanilla ass liberal woke nonsense story.

 

[EmilyMiller]

To be realistic you can't just act like different ethnicities don't exist. That's just ignorant. Point out our differences make it feel awkward. Offend some people. Those minute details are what makes these interethnic relations sexy af.
If you're too scared to go out on a limb you will just write the same unreadable pg vanilla ass liberal woke nonsense story.

Thanks for your contribution.

Em

 

[EmilyMiller]

Funny thing. A story I wrote a year ago that had the protagonist as a blonde biochemist.

( I like smart women. I married one.)

Was she a Structural Biologist though ?

Em

 

[Zootonius]

Was she a Structural Biologist though ?

Em

Do they build biological bridges?

 

[PastMaster]

To be realistic you can't just act like different ethnicities don't exist. That's just ignorant. Point out our differences make it feel awkward. Offend some people. Those minute details are what makes these interethnic relations sexy af.
If you're too scared to go out on a limb you will just write the same unreadable pg vanilla ass liberal woke nonsense story.

That is complete and utter rubbish.

There are plenty of people that write stories that are exceptional without getting into interethnic relationships. If you want to 'go out on a limb' and write it then that is your perogative. you will find your audience no doubt. But to say that stories that do not include such things are pg vanilla ass liveral woke nonesense - is in itself woke nonesense. Surely 'inclusivity' is one of the major tenets of woke behaviour?

 

[Nicefella]

@PastMaster

I agree that not every story needs to be inclusive. There is a space (albeit very cluttered) for the neighborhood white milf with a taste for young white or black men. Or whatever vanilla is defined as these days!

BUT with that being said, I certainly think it forces a writer to stretch their capabilities into new areas/mindsets. For example, I am sure there are not that many stories (if any) involving women with men, of differing ethnicities (ex a white woman with an east Asian man, or a black woman with an Arab male and vice versa. And when such stories are written, many mistakes are made not because of deliberate ignorance, bias, or prejudice but because of lack of knowledge. I admire writers who take on topics that they have no familiarity with, and who struggle and work towards putting forth a credible work product.

Sorry if I completely veered off topic!

 

[PastMaster]

@PastMaster

I agree that not every story needs to be inclusive. There is a space (albeit very cluttered) for the neighborhood white milf with a taste for young white or black men. Or whatever vanilla is defined as these days!

BUT with that being said, I certainly think it forces a writer to stretch their capabilities into new areas/mindsets. For example, I am sure there are not that many stories (if any) involving women with men, of differing ethnicities (ex a white woman with an east Asian man, or a black woman with an Arab male and vice versa. And when such stories are written, many mistakes are made not because of deliberate ignorance, bias, or prejudice but because of lack of knowledge. I admire writers who take on topics that they have no familiarity with, and who struggle and work towards putting forth a credible work product.

Sorry if I completely veered off topic!

I think that Em's original post captured my thoughts - I dont like IR for the sake of IR. It is not a particular kink of mine - in fact it's a massive turn off- the picture of the tiny blond skinny teen being split by a huge black cock - makes me want to vomit. its trite, its overused, its a cliche and its not true. But i respect that it is someones kink. I will never write or read it though.

Inclusivity to me isnt about that - its about people -just being involved - no matter their gender/sex/race
I have written stories with black people in - but the difference in colour was not a thing - it was just a description of the person - this guy had dark hair this woman had blue eyes - this guy was black.

My point is that you dont have to include it to write any kind of decent story -as was intimated by the person I was responding to.

If you want to check out my 'inclusivity' credentials then check out my caleb story. So far - I have pansexual, ace, gay, bi, Trans and black included there. its not woke - its not a gimmick - its just people being people.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I think that Em's original post captured my thoughts - I dont like IR for the sake of IR. It is not a particular kink of mine - in fact it's a massive turn off- the picture of the tiny blond skinny teen being split by a huge black cock - makes me want to vomit. its trite, its overused, its a cliche and its not true. But i respect that it is someones kink. I will never write or read it though.

Inclusivity to me isnt about that - its about people -just being involved - no matter their gender/sex/race
I have written stories with black people in - but the difference in colour was not a thing - it was just a description of the person - this guy had dark hair this woman had blue eyes - this guy was black.

My point is that you dont have to include it to write any kind of decent story -as was intimated by the person I was responding to.

If you want to check out my 'inclusivity' credentials then check out my caleb story. So far - I have pansexual, ace, gay, bi, Trans and black included there. it’s agree with you aboutnot woke - its not a gimmick - its just people being people

I have included POC characters in many of my stories, not just Blacks, but Latinas, Native Americans and an Arab as well. But I have never written an ”Interracial Story”. I agree with you about the obnoxious tropes in the genre. In fact, I have addressed them directly a few times.

I have seen, in my own life, how pernicious they can be. When I first met my now-husband, we had to confront his anxiety that, as a Black man, he would not measure up to the myths the porn industry had promoted about Black sexual prowess. He was afraid that I would be disappointed in him if he could not perform like the BBC stereotype. Who can say how many relationships have been harmed by that nonsense?

I’m a strong believer in inclusivity, in part because I try to present the world as realistically as I can in my stories. In addition to writing diverse characters, I will often make a point of using ethnically diverse names for incidental characters or businesses. A character can just as easily make an appointment with Dr. Nguyen as Dr. Smith, or shout out a hello to their neighbor, Mrs. Rodriguez as to Mrs. Jones.

But, in writing significant characters, I don’t think it is adequate to just write them as you would any white character, mention their ethnicity, and call it good. To me, that’s a form of blackface. Just because your character has black skin, that doesn’t make them a Black character.

Of course, I am not advocating for some different form of stereotyping. What I try to do is write well rounded major characters, who believably exist within the story’s world. If they are built entirely in compliance with ethnic stereotypes, they don’t meet that standard. But if they are completely absent of even subtle indications of their backgrounds, they don’t either.

 

[NoTalentHack]

I've written four stories where the MMC and FMC are explicitly of different ethnicities, three of them with a Black character. One was a Black man with a white woman ("Meat Market"), and it was just a sort of fact of who they happened to be. There was nothing more to it than physical characteristics, at least in the text of the story. In another ("Longings From the Past," my newest, go read it!), the FMC is of mixed Black and Cuban American heritage, and it's a significant plot point. It's also only alluded to; references to her abuela from Miami, how her skin is a midpoint between her mother and father, and some other things that constitute spoilers. I never explicitly lay it out, other than some references to her darker skin, but I drop enough hints that most readers should be able to get it.

In "Cultural Exchanges," though, while the race of each character is explicitly talked about, it's how their cultural background interacts with their race and the "default" of each nation that they come from that matters. It's part of how they initially bond; the MMC is a white guy from Texas, and the FMC is a British woman whose family came from Jamaica. The MMC's native accent, his father's East Texas drawl, comes out when he's angry or afraid, but he's spent a lot of time suppressing it because it's seen as uneducated in the tech sector; she speaks with the Received English/BBC presenter voice instead of her parents' accent for similar reasons, to be taken seriously in her field. That story is a WIP, but there will be other things that they delve into, places where their cultures are different and where they mesh, and how that does and doesn't affect their relationship.

In each of those cases, the Black character is some type of college grad, and in fact all of them are either working on or have completed their doctorates. I've had other characters that were more stereotypical, like Tre in Philanthropic, a bodyguard for the main antagonist, but even then I tried to give them their own "thing." In Tre's case, he's the only one that gets when the protagonist makes a particular film reference.

"If you say another word, I'll break your fucking neck. Fezzik here won't reach me before I get to you, if he even cares." There was no movement behind me, confirming my assessment.

The rich bastard turned several shades of red, before finally closing his mouth and leaving with his wife. I heard a small chuckle from Tiny. "What?"

He rumbled, "Fezzik. I like that, man. Princess Bride is dope."

He's also the only decent human in the antagonist's entourage.

I've leaned into stereotypes, too; Linh in "Forever Bound" is a complete submissive, which is the sticking point of her relationship with her husband, who is extremely reluctant to embrace the role as her Master. There are even mentions of her liking a mild form of raceplay. But, while it won't be discussed much until the sequel, her reason for her submissive nature isn't the "Asian women are naturally submissive" trope, but as a reaction to her home life as a second generation Asian American woman, and how the culture clash affected her upbringing.

You can lean into stereotypes. You can wholeheartedly avoid them. Just make sure that your people are people, and if you're concerned about it, get a sensitivity reader to take a look at it.

 

[PastMaster]

and if you're concerned about it, get a sensitivity reader to take a look at it.

A sensitivity reader? is that a thing.
If so - it points starkly to the problems in our society today. Is this not censorship?

 

[NoTalentHack]

A sensitivity reader? is that a thing.
If so - it points starkly to the problems in our society today. Is this not censorship?

Yeah, it is a thing. And it’s not censorship; people aren’t forced to use them, but they can be helpful. If your intent is to entertain and be accurate, they can be very useful; things like “I get what you were going for here, but it comes off really bad,” or even “dude, that’s straight up old-fashioned racism.” It’s not that different from having a technical consultant, just for thorny social issues.

Sensitivity readers are a resource, just like any other, and a good writer should avail themselves of the resources they can. And, hell, you can ignore them, just like you do technical consultants; but I’ve never seen a case where their insight didn’t either improve a work or tell the writer “yeah, maybe not this one” where it wasn’t appropriate.

 

[MelissaBaby]

A sensitivity reader? is that a thing.
If so - it points starkly to the problems in our society today. Is this not censorship?

So, you figure society would be better off if people were more insensitive?

 

[PastMaster]

So, you figure society would be better off if people were more insensitive?

I love you...
No - I dont thin people would be better of if people were more insensitive.

I do, howeve think, that people, in general, need to be a little less quick to take offence and automatically assume that what was written was meant in the worst possible way that it could be interpreted.

As Ricky Gervais said - if someone says they're offended - he says 'yeah so what?'

People seem to be looking for reasons to be offended these days.

I'm not talking about blatent and out an out racism or sexism or any other ism. Those are and should be challenged at every turn. But if we censor - and I use the word advisedly - every word that we speak or write for fear of offending someone, then we lose the opportunity to challenge people and challenge ideas.

 

[SimonDoom]

So, you figure society would be better off if people were more insensitive?

I'm going to jump into this discussion here, because even though I sometimes disagree with Pastmaster, or with the way he says things, I think I know where he's going here and I sort of agree.

Sensitivity is a good thing, generally speaking. But there's a place in art and culture for offensiveness and insensitivity. A culture that feels that everything we say and do should be checked against a sensitivity meter would be a lesser culture. I think we're better off for things like punk rock, and South Park, and comedians like Anthony Jeselnik, whose comedy routines include making jokes about dropping babies and child molesters.

Our culture right now is far too oriented toward the idea that you should never be offensive. Bunk, I say. Being offensive serves a legitimate artistic and intellectual purpose. We should never be too comfortable in our beliefs. We should always be willing to have our most deeply held views challenged and threatened and lampooned.

Erotica is a great vehicle for taking this approach, especially in an anonymous forum like Literotica. Go ahead, be outrageous. Just have fun. There's no meaningful consequence here.

 

[alohadave]

I love you...
No - I dont thin people would be better of if people were more insensitive.

I do, howeve think, that people, in general, need to be a little less quick to take offence and automatically assume that what was written was meant in the worst possible way that it could be interpreted.

As Ricky Gervais said - if someone says they're offended - he says 'yeah so what?'

People seem to be looking for reasons to be offended these days.

I'm not talking about blatent and out an out racism or sexism or any other ism. Those are and should be challenged at every turn. But if we censor - and I use the word advisedly - every word that we speak or write for fear of offending someone, then we lose the opportunity to challenge people and challenge ideas.

If you are taking advice from Gervais, the your position is pretty obvious.

It's always the same retort: "people are looking for a reason to be offended".

It's more that people are tired of the shit and feel that they can call it out when they see it.

No one will force you to be sensitive, but don't complain when they call you out on it.

 

[PastMaster]

If you are taking advice from Gervais, the your position is pretty obvious.

It's always the same retort: "people are looking for a reason to be offended".

It's more that people are tired of the shit and feel that they can call it out when they see it.

No one will force you to be sensitive, but don't complain when they call you out on it.

And I never do - If people call me out then thats fine - we can have a discussion, and hopefully I'll learn something and maybe they will too.

My point, as SimonDoom said is that we shouldnt write every word with a view that people might take offence. Its the worst form of censorship imaginable. If that were to happen all that we would be left with would be inane watered down drivel.

I also really really struggle with the fact that anyone who writes or reads on this site - that promotes violence toward women, Forced feminization of men, incest, non con and all the other kinks it does, can lecture anyone about 'sensitivity.'

If I offend anyone with my stories - or the things I say on here, then that is their problem not mine. I dont give offence - people take it (ricky gervais again sorry). The other thing to keep in mind is that for every one person who finds something offensive - there are others who agree. That is the point of debate.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I love you...
No - I dont thin people would be better of if people were more insensitive.

I do, howeve think, that people, in general, need to be a little less quick to take offence and automatically assume that what was written was meant in the worst possible way that it could be interpreted.

As Ricky Gervais said - if someone says they're offended - he says 'yeah so what?'

People seem to be looking for reasons to be offended these days.

I'm not talking about blatent and out an out racism or sexism or any other ism. Those are and should be challenged at every turn. But if we censor - and I use the word advisedly - every word that we speak or write for fear of offending someone, then we lose the opportunity to challenge people and challenge ideas.

I think you are missing the point. There is a big difference between conscious intent to be transgressive or challenging, and unintentionally offending readers because you didn't understand some nuance in what you've written, which would be the point of using a sensitivity reader.

 

[NoTalentHack]

Sensitivity is a good thing, generally speaking. But there's a place in art and culture for offensiveness and insensitivity. A culture that feels that everything we say and do should be checked against a sensitivity meter would be a lesser culture. I think we're better off for things like punk rock, and South Park, and comedians like Anthony Jeselnik, whose comedy routines include making jokes about dropping babies and child molesters.

And that's fine; there is a place for offensive art, including erotica. But it's like my old English teacher used to say, "Understand the rules before you break the rules."

If someone is crafting something in a way that's intended to be offensive, fine. I probably won't engage with it, but I won't pooh pooh those that do; I used to laugh my ass off at South Park, Bill Hicks, Dennis Leary, etc. Those guys were trying to piss people off and make them laugh at the same time; it's not my jam anymore, but to each their own.

Things like sensitivity readers are there specifically for the people that aren't trying to offend people. Note that I said "not trying to offend people," not "trying to not offend people." The latter leads to weasel words, the kind of corporate doublespeak that I think you and PastMaster are trying to avoid.

The former, though, is just an admission that not everyone can know everything. If your goal is not to offend, if it's just to write an interesting story about something like a Black man and a white woman falling in love, and you have very little experience with Black culture, why wouldn't you both do your research and ask someone afterwards that does have that experience, "Hey, is this accurate?" A sensitivity reader is just the formalization of that process, asking a person with specialized knowledge first "does this seem right," and afterwards, "did I nail that?"

There's a certain level of arrogance that says "you shouldn't be offended," or "people didn't used to be offended by this." No, they probably were, they just didn't say anything, because they felt, rightly or wrongly, unsafe about doing so. If you want to write a good story, like I said, use the resources available to you. You can still push ahead without them, or ignore their input, but there are literally people that will look at your shit for free and help you make it better/more accurate. Why wouldn't you?